Question regarding deformities and survival rates...

I just hatched out my 1st clutch of the season from spider X albino and I got 3 spiders and 3 hets. Well 1 of the hets was born with no eyes, perfect in every other way than that, acts normal cruises around. Also 1 other het was born with a shorter bottom jaw(poss no tongue either haven't witnessed it yet).

Now my questions are has anyone else had hatchlings like either of these? and if so what are the survival rates? Now these are the first hatchlings that I have ever had with deformities and I am curious if this is a genetic issue or more along the lines of incubation problem. Im using a new incubator this year I made from an old coke fridge temps stay pretty stable(+/- .5 degree), but did have a power outage within 1st 2 weeks of incubation but only for 15 min(I do use water bottles to help keep temps stable).

Any info will be greatly appreciated pics provided below of 2 in question..

no eyes
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/y...w/CIMG1740.jpg
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/y...w/CIMG1739.jpg

shorten lower jaw
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/y...w/CIMG1745.jpg
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/y...w/CIMG1748.jpg

omg the poor baby :tears: it looks really lovable though :( i hope the little guy makes it...

http://home.comcast.net/~mickeysnigh...%20Defects.htm

seems to be an albino thing... blindness/no eyes due to genetics and developmental related jaw problems

man.that is crazy!im sorry!......

its sad but i dont thin it would survive.you would really have to do alot of work to keep it alive.i would have it youthinised..sorry bout my spelling

If you are considering euthanizing them please don't. I'd be willing to give them a shot at survival, especially the one with no eyes.

It would be great to be able to study how it acts and develops without eyes.

I have no plans to euthanize either of them at this time. I will wait till they shed out and see how (or if) they take their 1st meals. I had read somewhere that they had a baby with no eyes that did eat ok, but unk if it survived or for how long. Hence why I was trying to see if anyone has dealt with this before...

Webbyd I will keep you in mind depending on what happens....

The lack of eyes should not be problem. They have enough other senses to make up for them. I'd worry about that jaw, though.

Poor little darlings!

I agree they should be given every chance at life. The eyeless one should have little trouble, since snakes have poor eyesight anyway. I wouldn't mind giving that little angel a forever home. :)

The shorter jaw I would worry might not be able to eat, but if it can it deserves every chance as well. Even if you couldn't keep it, I'm willing to bet someone would keep it and love it even if it wasn't perfect.

Best of wishes for them and you,

Gale

Sometimes you can do everything right, and stuff like this happends.. The one with no eyes will survive and eat great im sure.. the one with the overbite though... thats a really bad overbite.. you may have issues with that one.. GL on them!

Aww, they're so cute
I agree with everyone else.. kudos for giving them a chance! I hope they both do fine

Thanks for all the replies. I hope they both do ok but will have to wait and see after they shed...

How are these two poor little snakes now? Btw if this is from spider(dom) x albino(res), shouldn't this pairing give you all spider het albino?

im so glad your going to give them a chance and i really hope they both eat ok you said you havent seen i tongue yet on one of them ? how will he drink ? maybe open his mouth and have a look what you see. plz let us know if they eat good luck i prey they are ok :snake:

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How are these two poor little snakes now? Btw if this is from spider(dom) x albino(res), shouldn't this pairing give you all spider het albino?

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Spider x albino:

statistically 50% will be spiders, 50% will be wild type.
ALL babies will be heterozygous for albino.

Dominant in ball pythons doesn't mean dominant in regular genetics. Dominant in BPs means a codominant morph that has no visible super form (so pinstripes, spiders, etc)

cant wait to hear if there ok

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Originally Posted by kasmiraross

cant wait to hear if there ok

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As a matter of fact, the lovely little eyeless girl now resides with me. She eats mice like no tomorrow, has already shed for me and is growing well.

She is very sweet, and her name is Athena. I'll post pictures a little later, she just ate last night and I don't want to bother her too much.

Gale

are you on about the one in the pic im confussed cuz diffrent user names ?if so that is great news :) what bout the other one with the under bite ? plz reply asap.

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Originally Posted by kasmiraross

are you on about the one in the pic im confussed cuz diffrent user names ?if so that is great news :) what bout the other one with the under bite ? plz reply asap.

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As a matter of fact, the lovely little eyeless girl now resides with me.

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reading sometimes helps, lol.

Yeah but what about the one with the over bite?

I am the only one that thinks the eyeless snake is cool? Would be the hottest trend since scaleless snakes if it was genetic.

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Originally Posted by Gibber19

I am the only one that thinks the eyeless snake is cool? Would be the hottest trend since scaleless snakes if it was genetic.

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Nah, I thought she was pretty cool, too. I didn't feel too bad for her because I figured she would be able to eat. Wonder how the other one is doing though..