cinny Pewter or black Pewter ?

1. Is this Pewter from cinnamon or black pastel ?

2. How to separate pewter pastel and black pewter ?

thanks

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please :bow:

I think it looks like a black pewter. But, since the lines are so close together, there really isn't 100% accuracy. His neck is really dark and so is the middle down the side. I would say black pewter for sure.

Black Pewter:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/black-pewter/

Cinny Pewter:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/pewter/

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Originally Posted by stratus_020202

I think it looks like a black pewter. But, since the lines are so close together, there really isn't 100% accuracy. His neck is really dark and so is the middle down the side. I would say black pewter for sure.

Black Pewter:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/black-pewter/

Cinny Pewter:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/pewter/

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thank you for your answer. I'm apologize for my bad skill English I'm not understand for ' is the middle down the side '. Would you my to explain it please. I have another one need your opinion that it's black or cinny.

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To me they look cinny, but you'd probably have to breed it out to be sure.

i doubt you'd be able to tell 100% even if you did breed it out. what was it sold to you as? thats what it is

LOOKS BLACK PASTEL TO ME..VERY SIMILIAR TO ONE I HAD..CINNY PETERS TEND TO BE PALER :gj:

I think cinny pewter can seperate from black pewter by difference. isn't it? or it's like a lesser and butter which cannot seperate except the told from seller.

I'm not clear . more information please. :taz:

It look like black pewter :D

It's a Black Pewter. You can tell from the squiggly marks around the alien heads. Cinnys don't have those marks only Black Pastels. Remember, when making Pewters your not neccesarily changing the pattern of the Black Pastel, just washing it out a bit.;)

It is hard to tell unless you know what it was sold to you as. Cinnamons and Black Pastels can look way different from one another or almost the same. As a general rule cinnamons and their crosses are usually lighter. There are, however, very light black pastels and dark cinnamons.

Example of a dark cinnamon:

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...llection-1.jpg

And her offspring, including a pair of cinnamon pewters:

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g.../Pewter1-1.jpg

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g.../Pewter2-2.jpg

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...m/Cinny2-1.jpg

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...innamon1-2.jpg

The short answer is that people can guess all day long, but it may be impossible to know for sure. Breeding them out might give you some clues or it might not.

I say it doesn't matter though, since they are both gorgeous pewters!

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The short answer is that people can guess all day long, but it may be impossible to know for sure. Breeding them out might give you some clues or it might not.

I say it doesn't matter though, since they are both gorgeous pewters!

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I beg to differ. That is just like saying there is no difference between Lavender Albinos and normals Albinos. There are markers for Black Pastels. It is that easy. I am %100 positive that is a Black Pewter. Look very closely and you will see why it is. If you need help look at the field guides. We don't want to mislead people do we?

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

I beg to differ. That is just like saying there is no difference between Lavender Albinos and normals Albinos. There are markers for Black Pastels. It is that easy. I am %100 positive that is a Black Pewter. Look very closely and you will see why it is. If you need help look at the field guides. We don't want to mislead people do we?

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I said it may be impossible to tell. Not that it always is. I said in my post and I agree that there are times when the difference is obvious. I also agree that the first pewter he posted looks like a Black Pewter. The second, however, lacks the little squiggle marks you are talking about. I have seen black pastels with few to none of those little squiggleys. In my opinion Cinny and Black Pastels are sort of like Mojave's and Lessers. Sometimes the difference is obvious, sometimes it isn't.

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

I beg to differ. That is just like saying there is no difference between Lavender Albinos and normals Albinos. There are markers for Black Pastels. It is that easy. I am %100 positive that is a Black Pewter. Look very closely and you will see why it is. If you need help look at the field guides. We don't want to mislead people do we?

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I would disagree with your analogy. Cinny and Black Pastel are compatible. Lav albino and T- albino are not. This is why it is confusing. I've seen cinny clutches with what looks like a mix of the two and black pastel clutches with the same results. I personally think they are the same and should be marketed as such. It's all about marketing.