Pied Genetics

Is the amount of white linked?

Can low white produce high white offspring?

Asking as i might buy a low white it has no white. You can see its pied by the markings could the offspring off this have more white.

Semi-random. From what I have seen high and low will increase the chance that they produce a similar amount. However it does seem that you'll get low whites off high white clutches and vice versa.

You could always just take sibs and breed similar level animals together until you, hopefully, align the genetic factor of amount of white. You will still get random instances since I think it's like pattern (semi-random) but you may increase your chances.

I will say yes. I have seen several different pairings of high and low white, two high white and 2 low white and the babies are always different. The amount of white on the parents has no bearing on the amount of white on the babies. This is just from what I have seen. I am no genetic wizard.

The common wisdom is that "high white pieds throw low white pieds, and vice versa."

But then you also see breeders such as Roussis bragging about their "high white lines". Or their "high-color lines," or their "genetically stripey pieds," etc.

Having spent HOURS AND HOURS OF MY LIFE on the internet looking at available pieds, and pied clutches, and pied parents, and also pieds pieds pieds, I can say with some confidence that your average pied is on average a bit more likely to throw pieds that look like itself, and that some pieds seem to have genetics which allow them to consistently produce clutch after clutch of very similar-looking babies (though those similar-looking clutches do not always resemble the parents!)

Thanks for you answer still none the wiser if i should buy it.

Think it may be worth a gamble as i am looking a pair of double het pieds also.

A no white pied sounds cool as hell. I'd definitely get it if I were in the market and saw it. It WILL produce pieds with white. The amount of white is mostly, if not completely random, and the odds of a no white pied coming from any clutch have got to be pretty astonomical.

lol wouldnt a no white pied be a het? I mean the white is what makes a pied a pied

I've heard of more than one person actually trying to breed for no-white pieds, so that could be a cool project in and of itself :) Particularly if you're going for super-orange, high-contrast animals -- those look great no matter what the % white!

If i get the snake will put a picture up of him.

The pattern you can see its a pied not a normal it has about a patch of white smaller the 1cm square on it.

Was thinking of getting a pastel het pied to go with him.

The pied pattern and color is totally different from normal.

Does OP have a pic?

I saw one at the show in Chicago last month. It was a very neat looking snake. The messed up pattern of a pied with no white. If they didn't want 1500 for it I would have thought about it. I am waiting on a female for my boy pied for now.

They guy has 2 aswell as some high and low pieds for sale will add some pictures later today of the no white ones.

Either going to try and buy him or a adult spider and female.

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Originally Posted by Raverthug

lol wouldnt a no white pied be a het? I mean the white is what makes a pied a pied

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No, it would not. A pied has it's own unusual markings and coloration of that of a normal ball python.

ok Well thank you for correcting me. I thought it was just the white that made a pied a pied.

Extreem low white or effectively no white pieds are gorgeous snakes. I have seen a few and there is absolutely no way that you could confuse them with a normal as they have the usual wild pied patterning & orangey colours-stunners.

I never paid any attition to the pattern. Thats prob why I never noticed it.

couldn't you do a cross with an orange ghost to a pied then watch the offspring that have an orange pied look then cross the male pied to a female baby that had the orange pied look till you get the results looking for. yes it might take a few years worth of breeding offspring back to the mom or dad pied but in the long run you should be able to get an orange pied instead of the normal white pied

Heres a photo of the 2 he has.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...iedNowhite.jpg

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...edNowhite2.jpg

What do you think of them?

If i bought 1 and bred it with a het pied i should get offspring with more white on them?

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Originally Posted by clarky_man

What do you think of them?

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That are pied!

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Originally Posted by clarky_man

If i bought 1 and bred it with a het pied i should get offspring with more white on them?

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Yes

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Originally Posted by ice#1

couldn't you do a cross with an orange ghost to a pied then watch the offspring that have an orange pied look then cross the male pied to a female baby that had the orange pied look till you get the results looking for. yes it might take a few years worth of breeding offspring back to the mom or dad pied but in the long run you should be able to get an orange pied instead of the normal white pied

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Idk. Look up the pumpkin pied. Wait, orange instead of white? No. The white is from partial leucism. No pigment whatsoever. That would override whatever orange color/gene you have in mind, though the patterned part would be affected.

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Originally Posted by clarky_man

Heres a photo of the 2 he has.

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Holy crap those are sweeet! I would definitely get one! Both, if I could!

How the heck did he get them? If they're from the same clutch, I'd think there was something special in their genes. Imagine if it does turn out to be a super low white line. You'd have something really special there.

The two are around the same weight about 550g so guessing they are siblings.

If i bought one i would try and get him to breeding weight this year to start it and breed the babies back to see if it was genetic out of interested or maybe just a pied.

The above message was ment to read

or just a pied not of just a pied.

If a mod could change it as i cant edit it.