Something New..... What do you think?!?!?!

Here are some babies that I just hatched out yesterday. (Scroll down to see more pictures of two that really stand out).

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The Story Behind These Babies:

I have been working with this weird male for the last 4 years. I always noticed the black mustache, a busy pattern, and a light color (He is in shed in this picture) and figured I would see what he could do. I am not sure on the name so I will just call them "Josie Balls" for now.....

Original Josie Ball.
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I bred him to a normal female his first year and she laid four eggs. I got three normals and one female "Josie Ball". You can see she has the busy pattern, light hue, light spots on head, and the black mustache. She was produced in 2008 and goes off feed every winter :( She is around 850 grams now.

Josie Ball Female
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In late 2008 I bred the original "Josie Ball" to two normal female. In 2009 produced 2.0 "Josie Balls" and 0.1 Normal from one female and 2.0"Josie Ball" and 1.2 Normals from the second female. They were not all that crazy looking and they were all males so I decided to give most of them away as pets. I did give one to a buddy of mine just in case it ended up being something. At this time I was pretty much thinking I would only breed this male to his daughter (who hates to grow) so that I would not waste anymore females on a dinker project. I did not take any pics of the "Josie Balls" that year thinking it was a dead end project. I will get a photo of the one I gave my buddy when I see him next week.

Here is where it gets a little interesting. Last year I decided I was going to move out all my normal females and replace them with morphs. I had one normal female that I have had for over 4 years. She is a monster. She has always been over 4500 grams and feeds on jumbo rats like its nothing. She had never bred for me and last season I tried breeding her to the "Josie Ball" and received zero eggs. I figured she is huge and maybe her monster genes will pass down. My sex ratio on this "Josie Ball" project has always sucked and I figured she would be the perfect candidate to see if this co-dom/dom dinker project is genetic. I kept her to try one last time. He bred her and she dropped 10 nice eggs.

Big Momma Normal
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After 55 days at an incubation temp of 88.6 degrees I had babies hatching. I hatched eleven babies out of ten eggs.

Twins!! YAY!!!
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Here is what I hatched out. 0.2 Normals (still light with a busy pattern but no mustache) and 7.1.1 "Josie Balls". One is still in the egg absorbing yolk. 9 of these little guys have a light spot on the head, have the dirty face,a busy pattern and are pretty light. I would take pics of the bellies but to be honest they do not look any different than that of a normal. I took a few pics of two that really stood out to me as well as a group shot (minus the one still in the egg). All the pictures are in natural sunlight except for the first Light "Josie Ball" picture. I have never bred the big female to any other snake than the original "Josie Ball" so there is no way pastel could be mixed in unless Big Momma is the ugliest pastel known to man.

2010 Josie Balls and Normals
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2010 Light Josie Ball
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2010 Busy Pattern Josie Ball
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Let me know what you guys think and thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Joe Ellis

now just breed them back and see what happens............best of luck with your
new cool looking babies.....:gj:

Like I said on FB, Congrats Bro. Theyre awesome.

Wow, those are pretty neat looking! I hope it turns out to be something more. And those babies are REALLY light! o: I'm impressed. Good luck!

Those are really cool! They would make some killer pastels! Love the "swirly" pattern on them! :gj:
...too bad you didn't get more females! I'd be interested in adding one of those interesting ladies into my projects!

i always have faith when it comes to these subtile morphs. they mostly have super cool super forms or combo power.

yb
fire
special
specter
etc.

all of that are hard to tell away from normals and have super cool genetic power to design something great!!!!

i really hope its something. in germany we hatched out some really cool new morphs
the coolest its called unique ball

heres a link (on site 2 theres a big picture after the first shed of the unique ball)
the morph thats created that was even more subtile than urs...

http://www.ballpython.eu/viewtopic.p...7c85b7b04f8736

I like their busy patterns! Congratulations! :)

My first thought was specter or fire. I would bred them to each other and a yellowbelly and see what gives.

They look very clean with nice dark contrast:gj:

I actually had a purchased a baby bp early this year with the exact same head marking, mustaching, light color and busy patter just like your josie's. When i find the picks i will post them.

Def Post Pictures. As of now I am going to try to get the lightest one to breeding size by next season. I plan on breeding these guys into a weird pastel, a weird yellow belly or two, a woma, a lesser and a bee. Any other thoughts of what I should mix them with?

Thanks

Joe Ellis

the first breeding i would do, would be to breed them together to see if theres a weird super form.

Id like to see what they produce when paired to a het russo.

I have a huge het russo female but i was going to throw my phantom on to her. Anyone have an extra het. russo that they would like to breed to one? :)

Joe Ellis

Those are amazing! And I love twin pictures :) Good luck!

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I have a huge het russo female but i was going to throw my phantom on to her. Anyone have an extra het. russo that they would like to breed to one? :)

Joe Ellis

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do u have any pics from the opal diamonds as adults or subadults? ive only seen the baby pics from the animal crueler big daddys wholesale...

If your doing with that big normal girl I'll take her :D Promising project Joe, best of luck on it.

I have not produced any myself and I have not seen any other pictures other than the ones posted online of the two babies produced. But I will post pictures of them throughout their growing stages if I end up producing any this season. Thanks

Joe Ellis

:) Thanks but I think I am going to hold on to her for a little bit. I like having a monster ball to show people how large they can get. Thanks for the kind words and I will post pics of each one when they shed out.

Joe Ellis

Looking good! It would be really interesting to see what would come out if bred to each other.

On a lesser note, the Josie babies light spot on their heads looks like a man wearing a tie! Neat. :D

Ha that is funny I never even noticed that. The 08 female I produced has a guy wearing a tie too :) Thanks for pointing that out lol.

Joe Ellis

Here are some pics of the female. She died due to dehydration when i left her in the care of my gf when i went out of town:(.
I got her for $15 because of a knick on her head and a bad attitude.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...2/100_0948.jpg
She is actually in the beginning stages of shed in these pics(note the tri-force looking head mark)
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Nice busy melted pattern
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I am not sure if it is on my end but I do not see a picture. Sorry about your loss though.

Joe Ellis

Wow a genetic busy pattern, love it!

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:) Thanks but I think I am going to hold on to her for a little bit. I like having a monster ball to show people how large they can get. Thanks for the kind words and I will post pics of each one when they shed out.

Joe Ellis

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I had to try :gj: I love big girls mine biggest @ 3,100 grams seems so impressive to me. I look forward to the day I hold a big 4,000+ girl.

Xavier

The last "Josie Ball" came out. It is a male. So out of all the babies only one female Josie :( Oh well one is better than none

Joe Ellis

wat do the bellys look like?

Far out, I have a Dinker male with the exact same head pattern as the Josie hatchlings.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...0-13-09026.jpg

I will post more pics of these guys tonight along with belly shots.

Joe Ellis

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Originally Posted by JoeEllisReptiles

I will post more pics of these guys tonight along with belly shots.

Joe Ellis

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liar!

Nice! I love the light colors on them. I can't wait to see more pictures as they mature :D

updated pics?

They are all in shed right now.... I am going to post pics as soon as they shed out :)