Is a Pastel Jungle the same as a Pastel?

I am wondering if a Pastel Jungle is the same as a Pastel! I contacted a breeder to get a female Pastel and he said he only has Pastel Jungles!

yup.there are different lines of pastel.....lemon,graziani etc but they are pastel jungles none the less

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Originally Posted by seeya205

I am wondering if a Pastel Jungle is the same as a Pastel! I contacted a breeder to get a female Pastel and he said he only has Pastel Jungles!

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My response might have been "well then, I guess I'll shop elsewhere" lol

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

My response might have been "well then, I guess I'll shop elsewhere" lol

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That's what I was thinking!

Hi,

I am by no means certain of this but didn't pastel jungle originally refer to pastels with whacked out patterns?

You would need to ask the breeder what he meant but he could have been offering you an abberant(ish) patterned pastel as opposed to a regular pastel?


dr del

Actually, there were a number of snakes with 'whacked out patterns' that were referred to as jungles. When some of the jungles with light coloring and blushing were found to be genetic, they were termed 'pastel jungles' to differentiate them from ordinary jungles, which were often not genetic.

So, people are lazy, and just took to calling them pastels. They are all pastel jungles. All pastels/pastel jungles have an aberrant 'jungle' pattern.

Hi,

I know what you mean - but I was referring to patterns like the one posted by Cue in this post.

You can't tell me that that looks like a normal pattern or a lemon pastel. :P

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There are also these;

http://www.intriguingreptiles.com/Ju...bigsitepic.jpg

http://www.mccainreptiles.com/berkley.htm

http://www.roussisreptiles.com/colle...uarjungle.html

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/co...all_python.asp

Those are the type of pattern I picture when I hear jungle.

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dr del

When Greg G. got the first ones in he called them Pastel Jungles because their pattern and color resembled the "Classic Jungles" that people had been trying to reproduce.

This simply means that the breeder can't trace their founding animal back to a specific line of pastel. Pastel Jungle is sort of the the default name when a breeder doesn't works with a certain line of pastels.

here inm germany we use the term pastel for pastels, pastel jungle for pastel with abberant pattern and jungle for normal colored balls with and abberant pattern.

the pastels are a line and the pastel jungles/ jungles are unproven- when u breed em, u get some babies that look like it and others that look like a mix from both parents (its definatly genetic, but we dont know if its co-dom, dom or intermediar).

we got some breeders with their own jungle/maze lines that use it as normal to produce better morphs. the jungles and maze light the animals up. heres a good one- so u can see what i mean...

YouTube - Reptil.TV - Folge 16 - Hamm-Special 2010

look at 4:19 there hj winner shows a normal lesser than the normal maze (like jungle) and the lesser maze- than u understand what i mean


btw- the lesser maze cost not much more than a normal lesser (about 100$ more)

In 2007 I purchased a couple of female normals from pro exotics that they called 'jungles', however I didn't really pay more than what a normal would be worth. To this day they just look like normal females to me.

a pastel jungle is jsut a pastel. the name "jungle" carried over from weird pattern and should honestly be stricken from our ball python vocabulary

He said the parents are from Greg Graziani and he has been breeding them since 2000! The pics of the parents were very beautiful jungle pattern with bright yellow and lots of blushings! He said they never brown out! He is also asking $350 for a female which is a little high for Canadian prices(normally $250-$300)! They don't hatch until July 15 so I couldn't see pics of the babies yet!

Here is the pic of the Mother!

http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/x...pastel_5_s.jpg

Let me know what you think!

Anyone?

I think you made another topic on it. Gorgeous snake, worth the money IMO.

Also each of the lines of Pastels has it's own charm. I'm partial to the Vanilla and the Lemon, myself. But I have a normal Pastel (of low quality) at the moment and may end up getting a Lemon in the near future.

i think the sanke on the photo is definatly different than every other pastels strain.

worth the money for sure!!!

I think the photo looks like a typical grazi pastel.
They can and do often brown out as do "most" pastels.