Spider X Spider Results

Similar to the Woma X Woma poll, the purpose of this poll is to try to get to the bottom of spider genetics.

If you have personally bred spider X spider, please answer the poll and share your results.

Great, now the only answer I want to hear from is the last, and just by the wording I'll never hear about it.

I figured, if they wanted to talk about it, they would be already. lol

please vote only if U really breed it urself- not what u heard etc.!!!

No comment from this voter? :rolleyes:

"I hatched a super spider that looked like a spider"

I'm fascinated too, but the purpose of the poll is to find these things out...some folks hate to be public about their breeding projects.

I'd want to know how many times the spider has been bred to confirm it.

I'm guessing not too many people have bred spider to spider, just because it's sort of a waste, and therefor not too many people will vote/chime in with real responses. People are going to get all worked up that they don't have an option to pick if they haven't bred and just click one for fun.

Just my two cents.

My guess on the results is that there is still no conclusion other than they are a dominate morph :)

Anyone who hasn't bred spider to spider can just click the link that says 'view poll results'. >.<

The results aren't what I expected. But there is one claim of a super-spider.

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1831614,1831678

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1831614,1831678

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And this link proves what exactly? It says nothing about the other 2 hatchlings. Unless they were Spiders or Bees it has no bearing on the original question. The video is no longer available and unless the video shows the other two hatchlings I don't understand the post.
No offence, just confused.


Gavin

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Originally Posted by Gavin Cooper

And this link proves what exactly? It says nothing about the other 2 hatchlings. Unless they were Spiders or Bees it has no bearing on the original question. The video is no longer available and unless the video shows the other two hatchlings I don't understand the post.
No offence, just confused.


Gavin

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Well I didn’t say it proved anything…But he bred Bumble Bee to Spider and all the babies hatched fine…One of the poll options is All Eggs Hatched…

BTW the vid worked for me just now…Although it’s not relevant.

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1831614,1831678

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The video worked fine!

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

No comment from this voter? :rolleyes:

"I hatched a super spider that looked like a spider"

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I would like to see pics of that super spider! To my knowledge super spiders do not exist! Couldn't find any pics on the net either!

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

Well I didn’t say it proved anything…But he bred Bumble Bee to Spider and all the babies hatched fine…One of the poll options is All Eggs Hatched…

BTW the vid worked for me just now…Although it’s not relevant.

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I was just wondering. I thought you were pointing to the chance that poster of the vid had managed to have a homogeneous Spider.
Thanks for clearing that up.


Gavin

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Originally Posted by seeya205

I would like to see pics of that super spider! To my knowledge super spiders do not exist! Couldn't find any pics on the net either!

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You won't find any because it is a lethal gene to my knowledge. If someone knows otherwise please correct me.


Gavin

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Originally Posted by Gavin Cooper

You won't find any because it is a lethal gene to my knowledge. If someone knows otherwise please correct me.


Gavin

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found using the search feature, there are a TON of topics on this

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=lethal+spider
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=lethal+spider
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=lethal+spider
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=lethal+spider

i think someone started that the homo spider is lethal for kicks and giggles because i have not found a single shred of credible evidence to back this up.

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

found using the search feature, there are a TON of topics on this

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=lethal+spider
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=lethal+spider
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=lethal+spider
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=lethal+spider

i think someone started that the homo spider is lethal for kicks and giggles because i have not found a single shred of credible evidence to back this up.

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True but there is also no evidence proving that a homogenous Spider exists.

Like was said in another thread, until someone actually proves out that the "lethal gene" thing is either true or false rumors will always float around.

Gavin

If there are no super-spiders, then spider must be homozygous lethal. (Basic logic).
If there are super-spider, then spider must be dominant.

So far we have 2 people claiming they have super-spiders. Homozygous animals that look like spiders, and produce only spiders when bred.

If those 2 folks are being honest, that means spider is truly dominant.

As for the folks who claim they have never seen a photo of a super-spider....how do you know you haven't? Maybe you've seen dozens of them?

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

If there are no super-spiders, then spider must be homozygous lethal. (Basic logic).
If there are super-spider, then spider must be dominant.

So far we have 2 people claiming they have super-spiders. Homozygous animals that look like spiders, and produce only spiders when bred.

If those 2 folks are being honest, that means spider is truly dominant.

As for the folks who claim they have never seen a photo of a super-spider....how do you know you haven't? Maybe you've seen dozens of them?

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If the 2 poll answers are in fact honest answers why in the world would you keep it a secret??
I would be screaming from the top of the nearest building and telling everyone.

I mean why would you not want to be the one that settles this argument once and for all.


Gavin

It's pretty sad that we cant see who voted on this poll :P If we could we could bug them about it til they spilled the beans/know if the person was lying.

But perhaps they just enjoy the quiet life and dont want to share.

A post on that Kingsnake thread:

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Originally Posted by CEballpythons

There was a breeder in Florida a few years back with a spider (from a spider X spider het pied pair) that had produced 5 clutches over two years that were all spiders. He called it his super spider. I'm having trouble remembering a name, but it wasn't one of the well known breeders (I have a much better memory for ball pythons than I do for people).

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http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1831614,1831738

How do you know a super spider would look like a spider? I have never seen a super that looks like the visual het! If the big breeders like BHB and Ralph Davis never produced one and so many others that have tried then they don't exist! Until I see proof from the two that voted, I think they are just trying to stir the pot!

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Originally Posted by seeya205

How do you know a super spider would look like a spider? I have never seen a super that looks like the visual het! If the big breeders like BHB and Ralph Davis never produced one and so many others that have tried then they don't exist! Until I see proof from the two that voted, I think they are just trying to stir the pot!

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Pinstripe. Good chance for normal Womas being that way too.

Also there is such a thing as a dominant trait which, unlike the incomplete dominance that we call "co-dom", shows the same whether it is homozygous or a recessive.

In snakes the most common dominant trait we see is typical wild type over a recessive gene (hence non-visual morphs).

I'd really like to know if there really is a super form of the spider.

I was just thinking about this earlier too, and I got on here to see there was a thread made.

I'm gonna get a female spider sometime and try to prove this thing out. I'm really interested in spiders as it is my favorite morph, but I'm going to try and see if there really is a super form. If not I'll try other things with spider in it like breeding a mojo spider to it or some combo morph to it and see what happens.

Wait... Just to be sure... we are assuming the super spider is simply a homozygous spider, with the same appearance, right? Or do you want to see if there is a distinct looking homozygous form (meaning Spider is the Heterozygous form of some Incomplete Dominant/Co-dom trait)

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Wait... Just to be sure... we are assuming the super spider is simply a homozygous spider, with the same appearance, right? Or do you want to see if there is a distinct looking homozygous form (meaning Spider is the Heterozygous form of some Incomplete Dominant/Co-dom trait)

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Not sure if your post is being directed to me but..
I'm gonna try if I can find something other than just a normal looking Spider, at least some type of change in its coloration whether it gets brighter or darker or some difference in the pattern at least.

Ah, well while you're at it test all your "spiders" to see if they produce Spiders and Normals or just Spiders.

I was actually thinking of getting together some spiders, breeding them, taking the offspring and setting up a group, breeding them all and attempting to get 25-50 eggs, then look at how many are spiders vs normals. Then working with those offspring to see if any dont produce normals.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Ah, well while you're at it test all your "spiders" to see if they produce Spiders and Normals or just Spiders.

I was actually thinking of getting together some spiders, breeding them, taking the offspring and setting up a group, breeding them all and attempting to get 25-50 eggs, then look at how many are spiders vs normals. Then working with those offspring to see if any dont produce normals.

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Yeah for sure I'll do that, I'd really like to see what would be the outcome. I might even breed son back to mommy if I have to try to see if I can find anything that looks different from a regular spider.

I like your idea, that could actually work to prove something. Has pinstripe ever been proven out to be just a dominant?

From my understanding (what I have been lead to believe around here) is that at least one person has a hom pin.

Also if you produce a lot of eggs (I think 50+ would be fine) you can keep track of how many are slugs/rot/etc, how many normals you produce and how many spiders you produce.

If you get 100 eggs and 18 fail, you produce 55 spiders and 27 normals then there is a good chance that the Hom Spider is lethal. If there is around a 75/25 split norm/spider you are looking at a good possibility of having produced a Hom Spider in there, pay attention to the ones that have extreme neurological problems or look a bit different, but breed ALL of them. Every time one produces a normal, you can pull it out of the running.