This is a yellowbelly right??

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...1/75412fa3.jpg
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...1/2458b6e7.jpg
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...1/91cf1ac3.jpg

Better pictures would help....

But I see a normal

Im not a Ball expert though

See if this link helps

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=45579

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...1/031a89d3.jpg
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...1/3afcc3d5.jpg
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...1/fc28d711.jpg

He/She's really pretty. Yellowbellies are the hardest in my opinion. Post a spider, and then ask me.

Did you purchase him/her as a yellowbelly?

Nope not a YB..cool looking normal but not a YB

I bought it as a yellowbelly.

clockwork reptiles sold her to me.

Here is a YB. http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...yfemale004.jpg, http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...yfemale002.jpg

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Originally Posted by Boa5

I bought it as a yellowbelly.

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From who? Doesn't look like any of the YB's I've seen.

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Originally Posted by Boa5

clockwork reptiles sold her to me.

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Did they produce it ??

YB's look like this
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...a/DSC_0389.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...a/DSC_0391.jpg

Was it a CH yellow belly?

Yeah thats not a Yellow Belly in my opinion

You might have just got "clock-worked over"

My question is what is making you question it now after you've bought it??

not a Yb i'm afraid...
no 'shatter pattern' on the lower sides - belly is completely wrong

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...7/IMG_0415.JPG



Your pictures are terrible from what I see its doubtful that she is a yellowbelly. Take better pic's or compare yours to mine, Ed's and Joe's.

Yellow bellies vary alot. From very suttle almost normal looking to the extreme with flames speckled belly with the yellow..And the pictures the other members are giving are excellent examples of yellow bellies..I'm in no way a expert. Hopefully it proves out for you good luck..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...l/IMG_9754.jpg
here is my belly it's was produced by Tom Baker... A very repitubale breeder.
Don't have belly shots but it is the speckeled with the yellow tinge...
Hope his helps

The belly is completely wrong. IMHO - NOT a YB.

Here's another YB belly to compare:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...e/IMG_6022.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...s/DSC_0202.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...e/IMG_6020.jpg

A quick search on Fauna BOI and Clockwork Reptiles appears to have a good reputation. Have you contacted them about your concern?

I think the yellowbellies on his website look good. I think it's just a result of dull pictures, but I would contact them just incase. They could have sent you the wrong snake, it happens. Good Luck!

Again, as has been said, yellow bellies vary a LOT. The pictures that people have been posting are all of excellent quality yellow bellies where there can be no doubt about what they are. They have all the classic signs. But again, not all yellow bellies are excellent quality and many can look very normal. Even though your pictures are really horrible, there are enough tell tale markings to lead me to believe that it could very well be a poor quality yellow belly. Is there any reason you wouldn't believe the person you bought it from? And for that matter, who cares about the quality of the markings as long as you can eventually produce an ivory?

I returned her. Going to stick with pro exotics. She did look nice though

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Originally Posted by Boa5

I returned her. Going to stick with pro exotics. She did look nice though

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Ok :confused:.So what did they say? Do you live close to them to be able to return it that fast?

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Ok :confused:.So what did they say? Do you live close to them to be able to return it that fast?

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He kept telling me that she is yellowbelly no doubt. Not so close.

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Originally Posted by Boa5

He kept telling me that she is yellowbelly no doubt. Not so close.

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The only way there can be no doubt is if she was sired by an ivory because to be honest, apart from the head fade (which lots of normals have) she shows no yellowbelly traits.

I am EXTREAMLY iffy as to if you actually bought the snake as a yellow belly, in this post,

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=122068

you ask if its a spot nose, and then say you found out that it is a Yellow belly? How can you buy it, ask what you think it might be, and then find out its something else...after you got it.

Something just doesnt add up.

For one thing, the pictures are terrible. Clockwork is supposed to be reliable so I would venture to say that if they sold it to you as a yellowbelly then it is, in fact, a YB.

So you returned it just because a few people examined bad pictures and gave you their opinions?

How about doing some research of your own?

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Originally Posted by KingBowser

For one thing, the pictures are terrible. Clockwork is supposed to be reliable so I would venture to say that if they sold it to you as a yellowbelly then it is, in fact, a YB.

So you returned it just because a few people examined bad pictures and gave you their opinions?

How about doing some research of your own?

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Read the post above yours and follow the link - something about the OP's story doesn't add up. He didn't even know what he bought it "AS".

I've noticed alot of people who buy their first BP as one morph always think it's something else. Even I did, I just didn't make posts about it :P So maybe that's what is going on?

Well apparently he got rid of it so it doesn't matter. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Elise.m

I've noticed alot of people who buy their first BP as one morph always think it's something else. Even I did, I just didn't make posts about it :P So maybe that's what is going on?

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What? That's goofy. Why would buy something and automatically assume it's something different? I have never thought something I purchased was different.

Then again, I've never bought from an untrustworthy source.

Well if he bought it as a normal then I can understand his curiosity of the possibility of it being something else. However, that doesn't seem to be the case here as he has apparently returned it after being unsatisfied with what people are telling him. :snake:

Well, when I bought mine... It was pretty clear she's just a pastel, lol. But something like a normal, people always seem to think their normal is a YB, or spotnose, or Fire, any of the really subtle morphs. I can see where a YB that's not a great example could be mistaken for something else by someone who is new.

Thats really sad that because it seems like he doesnt know what he had he is going to drag clockwork through the mud. I know these guys from shows and they always seem very knowledgeable and I have seen some amazing looking snakes at there tables. I hope this gets worked out.

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Originally Posted by Raverthug

Thats really sad that because it seems like he doesnt know what he had he is going to drag clockwork through the mud. I know these guys from shows and they always seem very knowledgeable and I have seen some amazing looking snakes at there tables. I hope this gets worked out.

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Well the profile says he is 18 so he should know better :rolleyes:.

I really think that if the original poster does not explain himself this thread should maybe be deleted. Just having a thread mentioning a breeders name as selling something that it's not on the board when the OP's story looks very shaky is wrong. I don't know anything about the breeder mentioned, but I would be pretty pissed if some kid posted my name in a thread like this when it appears to be VERY questionable whether he even bought the snake as a YB.

No, don't get it wrong I love clockwork. I thought she looked amazing but she didn't have the belly marks and side pattern. Could be a mix up of balls. I'm not mad I just know what ever else he had wasn't around that weight so I'm just going to go else where.

You still have not addressed why you are posting multiple threads about what morph this animal could be?

If you are impuning or drawing into question the repuation of a breeder, you need to clarify these things.

Bruce

I bought the spot nose or what I thought was a spot nose from scales n tails. They had it around normals but he stood out to me. Only charged me $40 no tax for what was a NORMAL. When I bought the female yellowbelly I was in the mist of going to the north scales n tails store to meet Rich with my two balls. Rich knows ball pythons well so, he looked at my yellowbelly girl but he said she looked like a nice normal. Then he saw what I called spot nose and said I have a yellowbelly male not a spot nose. I think I got that store in trouble because I told him what they sold him to me as.

something is wrong here- i just dont know what yet...


the idea with deleting this thread is very good- i think


clockwerks name is in this and it looks like they ve sold an animal as something that it isnt.

i mean it was probably (im pretty sure) a yb, but we know it now after 4 sites.

ppl who read one site of this thread, could think that clockwerks sold an fake yb.

thats just not wright

if this was about me, i would wish that this thread would be deleted as fast as possible!!!

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Originally Posted by Boa5

I bought the spot nose or what I thought was a spot nose from scales n tails. They had it around normals but he stood out to me. Only charged me $40 no tax for what was a NORMAL. When I bought the female yellowbelly I was in the mist of going to the north scales n tails store to meet Rich with my two balls. Rich knows ball pythons well so, he looked at my yellowbelly girl but he said she looked like a nice normal. Then he saw what I called spot nose and said I have a yellowbelly male not a spot nose. I think I got that store in trouble because I told him what they sold him to me as.

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didnt u say, that u got ur other bps from pro exotics?


edit: i dont really know, what a spotnose goes for, but i bet they cost more than 40$.

and: if u understodd that wright- scales and tails sold u a "spotnose" for 40bugs- than u buy a yb from clockwerks. u have thoughts about both animals and post threads if they are what they sold as- and u use the names of the sellers. u take the "spotnose" to his seller (who knows bp very well) and he tells u its a normal. then he say your yb is a normal also and u return it at clockwerks.

that sounds so weird for me


(or is scales and tails differnet than north scales and tails?)

No sellers names here. Rich is the guy from a different scales n tails I took my balls to. Maybe it was maybe it wasn't either way she was not what I was looking for.

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Originally Posted by Boa5

No sellers names here. Rich is the guy from a different scales n tails I took my balls to. Maybe it was maybe it wasn't either way she was not what I was looking for.

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Ok if you really wanna get into this hobby and know what your doing one day, start researching these animals there care, mutations, etc, we were all there once just like you we did not know how to pick out the subtle morphs and did not know proper husbandry techniques. Learn.... Absorb info, there is an ocean of information here just use it if you are really into ball pythons.

Do not bring breeders with good reputations down because you want your $40 dollar normal to be something it is not.:mad:

I also believe this thread should be deleted

for the next time- when u buy a normal bp for 40$ and u find he looks special to u, than make a thread and ask if others see that too.

DONT post the same snake twice under spotnose and yb and say that they sold an animal to thats not what it should be!!!!


and u brought names into this- pro exotics, scales and tails, scales and tails north and clockwerks!

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Originally Posted by Elise.m

Well, when I bought mine... It was pretty clear she's just a pastel, lol. But something like a normal, people always seem to think their normal is a YB, or spotnose, or Fire, any of the really subtle morphs. I can see where a YB that's not a great example could be mistaken for something else by someone who is new.

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they jsut want to be special and think they got a deal lol, time to get real people 99.999999999999% of the time, if you bought a cbb normal its a normal, nothing special

i also agree the op is sheisty

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Originally Posted by Boa5

I bought the spot nose or what I thought was a spot nose from scales n tails. They had it around normals but he stood out to me. Only charged me $40 no tax for what was a NORMAL. When I bought the female yellowbelly I was in the mist of going to the north scales n tails store to meet Rich with my two balls. Rich knows ball pythons well so, he looked at my yellowbelly girl but he said she looked like a nice normal. Then he saw what I called spot nose and said I have a yellowbelly male not a spot nose. I think I got that store in trouble because I told him what they sold him to me as.

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Alright, thanks for clearing that up. I compared the patterns and yes, they are different snakes. I had thought that they were the same.

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Originally Posted by joe23

for the next time- when u buy a normal bp for 40$ and u find he looks special to u, than make a thread and ask if others see that too.

DONT post the same snake twice under spotnose and yb and say that they sold an animal to thats not what it should be!!!!


and u brought names into this- pro exotics, scales and tails, scales and tails north and clockwerks!

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ok maybe I don't make sense but those are two different balls I put up first of all I just wanted to see what you guys thought. I care less if this gets deleted just wanted to get your guys thoughts.

yeah it was a little bit confusing

i thought u posted the same snake twice as two differnet traits.

its sometimes hard to tell if a yb is a yb. all these morphs that look alot like a normal are hard to tell apart- even for ppl who are in this hole snakes thing for years.

a great site is "hunters guide to the morphs". its in this forum here too. its expains many differnt types (like yb and het peid marker etc)and show how u can "read" this morphs...

well either way turns out I got a yellowbelly from pro exotics... And my 40 dollar normal turned out to be a YB also thank you very much.

Realy? A normal turned into a YB? Thats sweet!

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Originally Posted by Boa5

well either way turns out I got a yellowbelly from pro exotics... And my 40 dollar normal turned out to be a YB also thank you very much.

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Aha sure it did :rolleyes:.