Pewters... couple questions

I'm interested in working with pewters in the future.. should I look at getting a black pastel or a cinnamon? How different are the resulting pewters? I have a pastel male already, so I'm just looking for a female to pair with him. I like the silver streak morph as well, maybe I'll be lucky enough to produce some someday :)

Also.. has anyone seen a Lesser Pewter? Has it been done?

I really like how my black pewter looks. My recommendation would definitely go to getting a black pastel to try to get some black pewters. I recommend is based only on personal opinion.

I believe the only difference between the pewter and black pewter is the pattern.

Not sure which makes a nicer pewter, but I like pewters that have the washed out/patternless sections. Those look AWESOME.

As for the Pewter Lesser, this is the only picture I have found of one... Not a very good one either...
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...wterlesser.jpg

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Originally Posted by abi21491

Not sure which makes a nicer pewter, but I like pewters that have the washed out/patternless sections. Those look AWESOME.

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Me too! :) From what I've seen it seems like the cinny pewters are more likely to have a washed-out pattern. My boy does and he's a cinny pewter:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...ana/Quincy.jpg

It seems to me as though I've seen a few more cinny pewters than black pastels with this "washed-out" pattern -- the black pastels seem to have more high-contrast in general.

Also, here are some more pictures of a lesser-pewter:

http://ballpythonbreeder.com/photogr...r-ball-python/

Just my 2 cents but i feel the black pastels are a stronger gene. The cinnys are lighter so you would get a more washed out snake. I think the black pastels have less issues from what I seen..... well at least the supers

Joe Ellis

I personally prefer black pastel in my combos

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

Me too! :) From what I've seen it seems like the cinny pewters are more likely to have a washed-out pattern. My boy does and he's a cinny pewter:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...ana/Quincy.jpg

It seems to me as though I've seen a few more cinny pewters than black pastels with this "washed-out" pattern -- the black pastels seem to have more high-contrast in general.

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Your boy is gorgeous! :) I haven't seen many black pewters but I think I'd go with Cinnamon (for that combo) but IDK, the black pastel is pretty awesome.

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Originally Posted by abi21491

Not sure which makes a nicer pewter, but I like pewters that have the washed out/patternless sections. Those look AWESOME.

As for the Pewter Lesser, this is the only picture I have found of one... Not a very good one either...
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...wterlesser.jpg

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So this is a lesser pewter (lesserxpastelxcinnamon)?

Not a lesser black pewter?

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Originally Posted by Agent73

So this is a lesser pewter (lesserxpastelxcinnamon)?

Not a lesser black pewter?

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Not 100%, I found the picture a long time ago on a forum or something and saved it to add to my morph list on my site. I would assume it's a cinny but again I'm not sure.

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Originally Posted by abi21491

Not 100%, I found the picture a long time ago on a forum or something and saved it to add to my morph list on my site. I would assume it's a cinny but again I'm not sure.

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Whatever it is I LIKE IT! However I would assume having lesser in it its yellow would come in as it got older.

I agree with many of the posts above. I think a black pastel pewter has a more defined pattern than a cinny pewter. I also like the black/silvery color more.

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Originally Posted by Agent73

Whatever it is I LIKE IT! However I would assume having lesser in it its yellow would come in as it got older.

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This is the thread I found it ;)

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...threadid=73873

Cinny Pewter!

http://i49.tinypic.com/2h3v2ja.png
(Loki at 600 grams)

Need I say more? :P

But honestly, it's up to you! I've always preferred the cinny look.

Interesting post. I have one of each & my Black pewter male has more washed out blushing on his back with teh cinny pewter female actually having quite strong patterning but noticeably a more cinnamon colour head and yellow on her sides which he has no apparent yellow colouring at all being more grey scaled. They are both breathtakingly beautiful (one of my favourite morhs) and variations on a theme but also quite different. Not best photo in the world but try these for comparisons:

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...7032010044.jpg
http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...7032010043.jpg

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Originally Posted by yardy

Interesting post. I have one of each & my Black pewter male has more washed out blushing on his back with teh cinny pewter female actually having quite strong patterning but noticeably a more cinnamon colour head and yellow on her sides which he has no apparent yellow colouring at all being more grey scaled. They are both breathtakingly beautiful (one of my favourite morhs) and variations on a theme but also quite different. Not best photo in the world but try these for comparisons:

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...7032010044.jpg
http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...7032010043.jpg

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Which is the cinny pewter and which is the black pewter then? Very nice snakes... maybe I should just get both haha

I would say in the first pic its Black on the left and cinny on the right and in the second pic its the black on the upper right and the cinny on the lower left.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Here is an assortment of various Graziani Line Cinnamon Pewters.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/pewtpast06_2_7.jpg

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...st06_2_6_2.jpg

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/pewtpast07_1_3.jpg

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...5showpic_1.jpg

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...2showpic_3.jpg

Better yet here are some of the Sterling’s they produce.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/sterling_col_1.jpg

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...past07_1_3.jpg

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...past07_2_3.jpg

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images..._sterling1.jpg

I think the pictures say it all. :gj:

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

I would say in the first pic its Black on the left and cinny on the right and in the second pic its the black on the upper right and the cinny on the lower left.

Correct me if I am wrong.

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Yes that's right, sorry, I thought that the descriptions made it clear but maybe not + not that great photos.

I'm hoping for something nice from my two when they both grow up and have been given to believe that black pastel/cinny can give better results as a combo than either 2 black pastels or 2 cinnys-either way I like them both for their own different take on the morph combo & find it very hard to decide on one over the other...

Wow those Grazianis are stunning!

I prefer the cinnamon morphs. Black pastels have a pattern which is too close to a busy normal pattern. I like how the cinnamons tend to have a blackback/striped pattern with the busy pattern only on the sides. Plus the lighter head and lighter head stripes. I think this lends itself to the combos such as pewters, streaks, etc.

Here are some of my Cinny Pewter het Pieds....I like them better than black pastel pewters.
Momma
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ns/pewter1.jpg
Some babies...
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/IMG_3556.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...tpiedmale2.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF8248.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF8247.jpg

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

Here are some of my Cinny Pewter het Pieds....I like them better than black pastel pewters.
Momma
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ns/pewter1.jpg
Some babies...
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/IMG_3556.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...tpiedmale2.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF8248.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF8247.jpg

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Those are gorgeous, apart from being het pied (:please:) are you sure they are just pewters? They look very washed out & have minimalist patterning, more like a sterling or silver streak.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ns/pewter1.jpg

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That is my dream Pewter right there... Everytime I see that picture I can't help but drool!

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Originally Posted by abi21491

That is my dream Pewter right there... Everytime I see that picture I can't help but drool!

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Ditto! She is phenomenal. She really does look more like a sterling than a pewter ..!

How old and large is she in that picture? Did she hatch out that bright, or did she get lighter with age?

I'd love it if my pewter shed out one day and looked like that, haa ha ha ... :rolleyes:

Thanks for the compliments. My original female pewter is just that as far as I know. She was VERY light as a hatchling but the older she got the better looking she got. Since breeding she looks more typical. She was at about 14-16 months old and 1200 grams in the picture.

As far as her being washed out, I never thought anything of it until her first clutch. All of the other pewters I've hatched have large patternless silver areas. If you'll notice, she has a fairly nice stripe that runs about half the length of her body. Several of the pewter offspring show this trend and a couple have been almost perfectly striped. I also kept a female pastel back that doesn't look like normal pastels. If I can get a pic of her next to my other pastel het pieds I'll try to get it posted soon. Hopefully we see some Pewter Pieds and Sterling Pieds this year. Keep your fingers crossed!...EGGS ARE DUE!

Thanks again.

Oh nice, eggs from your bunch have got to produce something special if what I have seen is anything to go by; be interested to see the pastel and what she produces. are you trying for a sterling silver? BTW I've also got a cinny with a fairly complete stripe, although broken, at first I thought it was just wrong on a cinny but it has really grown on me over time-I'm not sure what to do with her when she grows up but I'm sure something will sort out when the time comes.

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Originally Posted by yardy

Oh nice, eggs from your bunch have got to produce something special if what I have seen is anything to go by; be interested to see the pastel and what she produces. are you trying for a sterling silver? BTW I've also got a cinny with a fairly complete stripe, although broken, at first I thought it was just wrong on a cinny but it has really grown on me over time-I'm not sure what to do with her when she grows up but I'm sure something will sort out when the time comes.

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I'm just working on anything interesting with the pied gene. I think anything that involves pewter, pastel, sterling, or silver streak combined with pied will be hot. We should see some interesting things this year. Next year I should have 2 female pewter het pieds ready to go.....that will be interesting.

I did produce a pair of cinny het pieds in 09 and the male had a perfect complete stripe.

I have made quite a few cinny pewters over the years and every clutch is exciting because of the variability. I have hatched stone washed pewters, high blushed pewters, high contrast pewters, jungle patterns, stripes, high whites even two pewters with yellow splashes. Between the cinny and black pastel version of the pewter, you cannot go wrong with either as there are good and bad examples of both. Just choose something you like to work with.

http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1276135536

http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1276135948

http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1276136023

Here's my Joe Compel Cinnamon Pewter

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...nd1/pewter.jpg


And here is one of the Sterlings he produced

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...d1/ster1-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

I'm just working on anything interesting with the pied gene. I think anything that involves pewter, pastel, sterling, or silver streak combined with pied will be hot. We should see some interesting things this year. Next year I should have 2 female pewter het pieds ready to go.....that will be interesting.

I did produce a pair of cinny het pieds in 09 and the male had a perfect complete stripe.

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Thanks, that's really interesting; we seem to have very similar tastes in snakes-I love pewters and all the possible gene combinations from them! I won't be breeding royals until next year when I will have at least 2 females to go, hopefully 4. The two definites are a pair of (adult breeding) het orange ghosts and my pied male to a possibly het pied female. Apart from that I'm hoping to have my female het albino up to breeding weight, her OH is already there, and also at least one normal for whatever males are up for it. Eventually (hopefully 2010) I will have a breeding group of female cinny pewter, male BP pewter, female cinny and superpastel male (he is also likely to hit breeding weight this year) to play with apart from my recessives. I also have an unrelated pair of fires to throw into the melting pot at some point for some extra fun. Oh there is also Jen, my pretty bright normal who will be 100% up for breeding by Autumn, she has a head like a fire and is either getting the male fire or the superpastel or maybe both,