So SB 318 passed? :(

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/0...ephedrine.html

So I guess the Florida bill passed? :(

Looks that way! A copy of the bill is here: http://www.floridaanimallaws.org/sb_318.pdf

For those who have any of the following animals, it looks like if you get a permit before July 1st (or already have one) then you're safe.

Sorry to hear about this. My municipal laws ban any snakes over 2 feet (lol) so it could definately be worse. Lets just hope that they don't start adding all kinds of rediculous animals to category #7!

" (2)(a) No person, firm, or corporation shall keep, possess,
import into the state, sell, barter, trade, or breed the
following species for personal use or for sale for personal use:
1. Burmese or Indian python (Python molurus).
2. Reticulated python (Python reticulatus).
3. African rock python (Python sebae).
4. Amethystine or scrub python (Morelia amethystinus).
5. Anaconda (Eunectes).
6. Nile monitor (Varanus niloticus).
7. Any other reptile designated as a reptile of concern by the commission.


(b) However, if a person holds a permit issued before July
1, 2010, pursuant to subsection (1) to legally possess a species
listed in paragraph (a), that person may possess the individual
reptile for the remainder of that reptile’s life. Any person who
possesses an anaconda, other than a green anaconda (Eunectes
murinus), and who meets the required criteria must obtain a
permit pursuant to subsection (1) by October 1, 2010, in order
to keep that anaconda for the remainder of its life.
Section 2. This act shall take effect July 1, 2010."

Wow....well hopefully they acknowledge that on the news or something! I dont see how many people will know about the permit unless they're surfin the web. Although, I guess they aren't gonna go raiding peoples homes in search of them so I would assume that people could "get away" with having them without the permit to some extent. This is still very sad.

Does this make it easier for the Federal bills to pass?

Same thing happened where I live. Only it took 1 burmese python to escape to pass a bill. People who currently owned them, were able to obtain a permit to keep them because it was some sort of "Grandfather Clause".

There was a burmese python stretched out on a wall getting some sun and people freaked out. Took about a 2 months for the ban to be put in place.

It's interesting to say that "it took 1 burmese python to escape."

I may point out that it is believed that the south Florida basilisk population stems from seven escaped individuals from an airport.

Just sayin'.

Later, Matt

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

It's interesting to say that "it took 1 burmese python to escape."

I may point out that it is believed that the south Florida basilisk population stems from seven escaped individuals from an airport.

Just sayin'.

Later, Matt

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Not sure what your point is. I may point out that "I live in Canada, where we have whats called snow and -30 degree celsius weather" so if you are implying that it would survive, highly unlikely!

Just sayin'.

It was bound to happen. Florida is the one place in the continental US that actually has established populations of reptiles.

Hawaii is the only other US state I can think of that has non-native reptile issues and they already have extremely restrictive laws.

Frankly, I hope this will satisfy them and there will be no need for a national law.

so are boa constrictors legal

I didn't realize you were from Canada.

I meant to say it does not take many escapes to form a population.

BTW, Texas also has invasives - geckos and anoles.

Later, Matt

There was ALREADY a permit system in place before the ban. With the ban, no NEW ROC will be bought, sold, etc in Florida, although all LEGAL owners(who would ALREADY have had that permit to own the ROD they have) can keep their animals for the rest of it's life.

According to the way it's worded, if I rem exactly.. you can own the ROC if you have the permit, for the rest of that snake's(or nile monitor) life. You may not breed, sell, buy, or import any other ROC. So technically I guess you can't even sell off ROC you own, if you have them in the state?

It's a huge pain, especially since people don't know about the permit in the first place(although they have no excuse, most pet stores and such have notices about the ROC permits needed) and certainly won't know about the currant bill which makes the whole ROC stuff they just passed a year or so ago nearly completely moot.

Stupid state PR.

Well, as far as I'm aware the bill is strictly for Florida.

So as of right now I don't need a permit for my Yellow Anaconda.

sick--sick sick, i hope it does keep the wolves at bay, but it won't, not nocking gun, casue i have guns as well, but probley triple the number die of acidental gun fire, this is awwful,

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Frankly, I hope this will satisfy them and there will be no need for a national law.

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I think just the opposite. Sen Nelson is from Florida. Sen Nelson and HSUS will call this a victory and use it as a precedence for the national ban. I wonder if HSUS will be making a donation to the governors campaign fund...

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Duhhhh, is that even in question?

And quite frankly I think we CAN use this to our advantage. The so called 'problem' revolves around 3 counties in Florida. Although I personally think it's overkill, Florida passed a bill taking care of 'THEIR' problem. That SHOULD be the end of the story...

Unfortunatly I agree that it probably won't be, but I hope that the reptile nation at least uses the passage of this bill to our advantage.

I kind of believe that certain reptile stores that sell some of the reptiles listed don't know the bill passed, therefore selling the reptiles to customers.

I think that this definitely will fan the flame for them wanting to pass the federal/national ban. It'll be like "one down, a couple to go" kind of thing.

Any ban sucks, but I'm glad to see boas arn't on that list.

Wow this really sucks, specialy for people that like the bigger snakes.

I guess I'll be moving to some other state if I eve buy a house of my own! :rage:

Wyoming still has the best laws for reptile owners. The only thing you can't have is a black mamba.

Guess I'm moving when I graduate!

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

The only thing you can't have is a black mamba.

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Weird law singling out that particular venomous snake.

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Weird law singling out that particular venomous snake.

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Haha well if u think about it, they are a very aggressive and fast moving killing machine. I can see where this could cause problems

I have heard that even experienced venomous keepers think people who keep black mambas are crazy. ^_^

man i hope it stops were it at now, i know in DE you need a permit but to have most snakes. but and the permit does not allow breeding unless you have a seller permit ( which still does not cover the larger snakes like boas, and such), to brred them you need a acredited zoo permit and that takes a minium of 5 acres of land. in the northong counties it even harder to have a permit for any snake cause people are such cheickens over a lot of things.

I've actually lived in Wyoming before, and we are most likely moving back there in a few years, business and all...for the very reason that the reptile laws are virtually nonexistant, land is cheap, and both are likely to remain that way.

It is the least-populated State in the US. Wyoming folks like their independence, and even the average and less knowledgeable person knows that a 20 foot tropical snake has no chance of survival in the cold, bitterly dry windswept plains and deserts that make up most of the State...or in Yellowstone park, for that matter. ^_^ (Well, the average person in Wyoming knows this--it's probably harder for folks who haven't been there to imagine the climate. If you don't like the weather, wait five minutes--it will go from a balmy 70F and sunny, to a thunderstorm, to snowing by nightfall...seen it).

The unfortunate truth here seems to be that the more suitable the climate is for the reptiles we keep as pets, the less likely it is that legislation will remain reptile-friendly. So, I guess I would rather deal with insulation and climate control in my building than have to move my facility again because my business was outlawed.

Yeah. As far as I know, Oklahoma doesn't really have any rules. HSUS named Oklahoma as one of the worst states for exotic animal regulations last year..So I'm happy.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

I've actually lived in Wyoming before, and we are most likely moving back there in a few years, business and all...for the very reason that the reptile laws are virtually nonexistant, land is cheap, and both are likely to remain that way.

It is the least-populated State in the US. Wyoming folks like their independence, and even the average and less knowledgeable person knows that a 20 foot tropical snake has no chance of survival in the cold, bitterly dry windswept plains and deserts that make up most of the State...or in Yellowstone park, for that matter. ^_^ (Well, the average person in Wyoming knows this--it's probably harder for folks who haven't been there to imagine the climate. If you don't like the weather, wait five minutes--it will go from a balmy 70F and sunny, to a thunderstorm, to snowing by nightfall...seen it).

The unfortunate truth here seems to be that the more suitable the climate is for the reptiles we keep as pets, the less likely it is that legislation will remain reptile-friendly. So, I guess I would rather deal with insulation and climate control in my building than have to move my facility again because my business was outlawed.

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Ha you couldn't be more correct. I live in wyoming and our weather sucks. High winds, snow all the way up until april or may, 20 below zero winter days gotta love it lol

Don't forget the UV levels high enough to boil your eyeballs, and the summer heat--but it's a DRY heat. ;D
Actually, it's not really that horrible, especially in the summer, but the wind can put a little damper on some outdoor activities. I love Vedau Woo for camping.

I wonder how this law will affect the economy of the pet industry, such as prices? I don't keep any of the animals listed but I would like to have the open option if I ever desire to in the future. I wonder if all of those baby nile monitors that you see in pet stores each year will increase in price? Probably a good thing, if it happens. :snake:

I'm sure some of the companies that focus on these species are considering moving their facilities to another State. But I imagine that more people in Nothern States will start working with the animals banned in FL, to meet demand. I think it's too soon to guess if that will increase prices--aren't most of the niles sold still WC?
Just means importing them to somewhere other than Florida.

thats great now we can saw off the state and give it the all those illegal cubans.
that would be after we get all the desirables out (looks at wolfy)

next step is california

Floridians, like in any other state, hate their "leaders".

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thats great now we can saw off the state and give it the all those illegal cubans.
that would be after we get all the desirables out (looks at wolfy)

next step is california

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HERE HERE!!! Or maybe just strap rockets onto the commi politicians and POW! right to the moon!:frustrate

What I want to know is how we ban ignorant politicians:confused:

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What I want to know is how we ban ignorant politicians:confused:

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Move to Canada?

Lol jokes :D

But seriously, I am sorry to all the people that live in Florida. this must really suck, good luck though!!! it will work out somehow :)

the sad part of this whole thing is that look at all the lost jobs. not to mention the loss of tax base to the state. here in indiana were not afraid to shutdown the state house nor storm the state house

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here in indiana were not afraid to shutdown the state house nor storm the state house

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:gj:HERE HERE!!!!:gj: