How do you get an Axanthic Spider?

Just wondering how do you get an Axanthic Spider? Do you just breed a Axanthic to a Spider? Or do you have to breed these two and take the offspring and breed them back to the parents? Just a little confused! :confused:

thanks,

Dave

You would need a spider het for axanthic, and a regular het axanthic. You could also get two spiders that are het for axanthic, or your original idea, which would be to get an axanthic and breed it to a spider, but then you would have to raise the babied to breed back to the parents.

Spiders are co-dom, so you can get spider off spring from just one spider-gened parent. Axanthics are recessive, and you need the parents to BOTH carry the axanthic gene in order for the trait to show. ("het-axanthic" means the animals carries the gene, but looks normal)

So...to get a spider/axanthic snake:

1. Spider x axanthic ...then breed the baby spiders back to their axanthic parent.

2. Buy a spider that is already het-axanthic and mate it to another axanthic or het-axanthic. In this case you could get the combo in the first clutch...but you could also miss the odds. There's never any guarantees.

To help speed things up I would reccomend getting a spider male and an Axanthic female. Put them together. Keep a male het axanthic and breed it back to the mother. Personally I would also keep all the female spider het axanthics and grow them up.

I think this is wrong ...
Imagine you had to breed with your own mother...

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Doesn't this create 'Kinks' or 'Headwobble' etc ... ???
( or is it breeding the baby's like brother and sister ? )

i would go for Spider het axantic X axantic

There is always a chance. The head wobble is more spacific to the spider and not inbreeding. As long as you only cross breed a couple generations you should be ok. Im not sure what causes the kinks but I know that Carmel albinos get them more frequently then normal

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Originally Posted by JLC

Spiders are co-dom, so you can get spider off spring from just one spider-gened parent. Axanthics are recessive, and you need the parents to BOTH carry the axanthic gene in order for the trait to show. ("het-axanthic" means the animals carries the gene, but looks normal)

So...to get a spider/axanthic snake:

1. Spider x axanthic ...then breed the baby spiders back to their axanthic parent.

2. Buy a spider that is already het-axanthic and mate it to another axanthic or het-axanthic. In this case you could get the combo in the first clutch...but you could also miss the odds. There's never any guarantees.

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Is the Spider co Dom or Dom ?? Because thier is no super form proven yet but thier have been all spider have been all spider clutches or something of that sort...

"Best" way to produce a Spider Axanthic would be breeding a Spider Het Axanthic to a Het Axanthic or a Spider Het Axanthic to an Axanthic.

The Spider het Axanthic to an Axanthic has pretty good odds at 1 in 4 of producing the combo, but there are no guarantees.....out of 18 eggs in 2 clutches of that breeding I only hit on one :( but that's better than none.

Preshed pic:
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/p...001_spidax.jpg

Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by Pepee

I think this is wrong ...
Imagine you had to breed with your own mother...

Plus:
Doesn't this create 'Kinks' or 'Headwobble' etc ... ???
( or is it breeding the baby's like brother and sister ? )

i would go for Spider het axantic X axantic

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You breeding to your mother is alittle diffrent, inbreeding among reptiles hasnt shown itself to have the same adverse affects as inbreeding among mammals.

As for wobbles, that comes with the spider trait, not inbreeding.

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Originally Posted by Pepee

I think this is wrong ...
Imagine you had to breed with your own mother...

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It's completely different with reptiles (and most other wild animals for that matter). When it comes time to breed, most species don't get out a family tree to make sure they're not mating with a direct relative. :P

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Originally Posted by JenEric Reptiles

Is the Spider co Dom or Dom ?? Because thier is no super form proven yet but thier have been all spider have been all spider clutches or something of that sort...

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I just wasn't going to get into the semantics of dom vs co-dom...the basic idea was enough to point out that a spider x normal can yield spider offspring.

And for those mentioning it, I agree that the BEST way to get one is to breed a het-axanthic spider to a fully axanthic mate. But that's not always easy or inexpensive to come by.

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Originally Posted by JLC

It's completely different with reptiles (and most other wild animals for that matter). When it comes time to breed, most species don't get out a family tree to make sure they're not mating with a direct relative. :P



I just wasn't going to get into the semantics of dom vs co-dom...the basic idea was enough to point out that a spider x normal can yield spider offspring.

And for those mentioning it, I agree that the BEST way to get one is to breed a het-axanthic spider to a fully axanthic mate. But that's not always easy or inexpensive to come by.

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Ok sorry just wanted to make sure..not trying to cause anything I just thought it would be easier to call it a Dom gene ... Cause it might be more confusing later on explaining.... Anywho thanks for clearing it up... I still get confused once in a while and have to go look...
I think if your in for the long run on keeping balls and are limited on. Budget I would go spider het ax. X het ax would be be cheapest route and funner to produce your own! Good luck

when you get one its a must that you drop it off at the corner of 16 and union lake. ;)

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Originally Posted by JenEric Reptiles

I think if your in for the long run on keeping balls and are limited on. Budget I would go spider het ax. X het ax would be be cheapest route and funner to produce your own! Good luck

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Not really since a 1.0 spider het Axanthic goes for 1250 (one on KS) where as a axanthic female goes for around 900 and you increase your chances of an axanthic in the Homozygus form from 1 in 4 to 1 in 2

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Originally Posted by Raverthug

Not really since a 1.0 spider het Axanthic goes for 1250 (one on KS) where as a axanthic female goes for around 900 and you increase your chances of an axanthic in the Homozygus form from 1 in 4 to 1 in 2

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huh you lost me I am talking about the cheapest route not odds...........
and what would you need to breed your Axanthic 0.1 too? a spider het AX male ,right?
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Yes but you can breed a normal spider to the 0.1 Axanthic. Keep a 1.0 spider het axanthic off spring and then breed that back to the mother. Pluss you can then sell off the rest of the offspring to cover your feed costs, vet bills ect. Thats what I personally would do.

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Originally Posted by Raverthug

Yes but you can breed a normal spider to the 0.1 Axanthic. Keep a 1.0 spider het axanthic off spring and then breed that back to the mother. Pluss you can then sell off the rest of the offspring to cover your feed costs, vet bills ect. Thats what I personally would do.

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very true...........it would take a little longer.........and in my eyes would be the most fullfilling way to make it............some people dont have patience though. like for me thier are a lot of morphs I love but I bought all the ingrdients to make em.like pieds for example...........i coulda bought a pied but instead i bought a cluctch of 0.4 66% hets,a 1.1 66% het and got a 1.0 66% het pied for free. all for what you could get a pied for this year............when i bought all these they were going for $1500 a pop though............but i have a chance to make my own and a few more if anything.............i only own and bought one double gene animal and its a doozy! she should be ready real soon...........this year im only producing single gene animals but next season will all be double and tripple genes...........problem is Im gonna want to keep a lot of it lol.............
38 bps and counting 3 in the oven and 11 on the way and they are still breeding :gj:

I agree. Except I wont play with pos hets on my males. Theres to much chance for me to put 2 pos hets together. If I atleast know the male is a het its easier to prove out but thats just personal preference. It would only take an extra year or so. Thats why I say make the axanthic a female.

But .4 out of 4 females in one clutch gives you a good chance.... I could have gotten 1 100% or 4 66% from one clutch..if I get lucky and prove at least one out I'm cool if I prove all four out I'm sitting pretty... I like to have fun I'm probably gonna sell all the het males or trade em or breed the 100% het male or get a pied on a breeder loan to prove em out...more of a fun kinda lottery thing for me cause all but one have the so called markers on them so I wanna try and see if it is what it is...

also don't forget there are wha now 3 different axanthic lines that are not compatible with each other.. So the spider that the axanthic needs to be het the same line as the axanthic the op has now..

Mech I think hes more asking how to do it But you are correct that he has to use the same lines. Be it VPI or whatever.

JE Rep. Theres just to much chance in that for me. Personally Im not willing to risk that my male is the one that isnt het. I guess you could get a 2.4 and split em off into 1.2 groups. But it all comes down to personal preference.

I think the easiest route is to get a killer bee Axanthic male, breed that to a Spinner blast hypo Axanthic Special gene woma female, hold back the best male looking offspring, breed that to a Phantom Het russo het anxanthic, and whala, you have a 1 in 64 chance of producing a simple Spider Anxanthic, and by that time thats the least of your worrys about what your wanting to get :D

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Originally Posted by jpman78

Preshed pic:
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/p...001_spidax.jpg

Hope that helps.

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These are gorgeous looking snakes.

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Originally Posted by jpman78

"Best" way to produce a Spider Axanthic would be breeding a Spider Het Axanthic to a Het Axanthic or a Spider Het Axanthic to an Axanthic.

The Spider het Axanthic to an Axanthic has pretty good odds at 1 in 4 of producing the combo, but there are no guarantees.....out of 18 eggs in 2 clutches of that breeding I only hit on one :( but that's better than none.

Preshed pic:
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/p...001_spidax.jpg

Hope that helps.

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Thanks for posting that picture! Those are all great looking Spider forms!

Thanks for all the replies! I do have a much better picture on how to get this morph and others! A lot of good info in these posts.

Thanks,

Dave