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  • 05-30-2010, 05:39 PM
    JoeEllisReptiles
    So Let See What You Think!?!?
    Butter or Lesser? I personally think they are the same thing. What is this one?



    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...9/dsc00216.jpg
  • 05-30-2010, 05:43 PM
    bsash
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    I usually can't tell the difference between them, but I'm going to say butter? Maybe someone who is real good at telling the difference will chime in.
  • 05-30-2010, 06:15 PM
    Chuckels
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    Nice Snake Joe, Mr. Animal Jungle himself.
  • 05-30-2010, 06:32 PM
    JoeEllisReptiles
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    Thanks! :banana:
  • 05-30-2010, 07:02 PM
    bad-one
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    I'm guessing butter
  • 05-30-2010, 09:11 PM
    wax32
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    Butter
  • 05-31-2010, 03:53 AM
    BILLB OKC
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    butter
  • 05-31-2010, 06:20 AM
    sho220
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    Butter
  • 05-31-2010, 06:21 AM
    sho220
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    Lesser
  • 05-31-2010, 06:23 AM
    J.KNOX
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    Lester
  • 05-31-2010, 07:16 AM
    PassionsPythons
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    I'm going to say lesser, just because most of the butters I've seen have darker dorsal blushing than the one in this picture.
  • 05-31-2010, 07:26 AM
    irezumi67
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    butter
  • 05-31-2010, 07:35 AM
    DutchRoyalMorphs
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    if it's from the Noah line I would say lesser or else it's a butter

    Pablo
  • 05-31-2010, 08:20 AM
    BPelizabeth
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    hmmmmmm I have to ask....how much does she weigh?

    If she is still young I go for lesser. If she is older and over 1000 grams I would say butter.

    I know....I make it all complicated...lol....:rolleyes:
  • 05-31-2010, 09:59 AM
    EdShal
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    looks like a butter to me..
  • 05-31-2010, 10:25 AM
    jp-reptiles
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    hard to tell since there are butters that look like lessers, and lessers that look like butters, i also think both are one and the same snake, just different lines, my lesser platinum is also many times called a butter by many hobbyists
    but is a lesser platinum for sure, his dad came from ralph davis.......:cool:

    when i bought her...

    http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...lding684-1.jpg
    http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...lding686-1.jpg

    and now....

    http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...elding1120.jpg
    http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...elding1123.jpg
  • 05-31-2010, 11:43 AM
    snakesRkewl
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
  • 05-31-2010, 12:02 PM
    JoeEllisReptiles
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    She weighed right around 850 grams when the picture was taken.
  • 05-31-2010, 12:02 PM
    abi21491
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    I think Lesser, her pattern did it for me. Colors confused me a bit but I'm going lesser :) She's beautiful BTW!
  • 05-31-2010, 12:13 PM
    JoeEllisReptiles
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
  • 05-31-2010, 12:40 PM
    gcanibe
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    Lesser
  • 05-31-2010, 01:03 PM
    jjmitchell
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    It is hard to tell the difference but with the size of the animal and the coloring... im goin to say Butter Final ansewer
  • 05-31-2010, 01:24 PM
    DJ_Bizarre
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    butter
  • 05-31-2010, 03:07 PM
    jp-reptiles
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JoeEllisReptiles View Post

    is that dad a ''platinum''????, i,m going for ''lesser platinum'' for that female....
  • 05-31-2010, 03:21 PM
    sho220
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by J.KNOX View Post
    Lester

    You win. :)
  • 05-31-2010, 03:26 PM
    Beardedragon
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    They are the same thing!
  • 05-31-2010, 05:51 PM
    JoeEllisReptiles
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    Okay here is the Answer!!!

    I bough the father as a lesser 2 years ago. He is one of the nicest I have ever seen. I catch myself calling him a butter with all the yellow. I think they are the same thing personally other than one creating platty daddys. I think the butters can create something similar I just do not think anyone has done it. Thanks

    Joe Ellis
  • 05-31-2010, 06:49 PM
    dr del
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    Hi,

    Ralph (who else ;) ) has already made the butter daddy;

    YouTube - "Butter Daddy" footage


    dr del
  • 05-31-2010, 11:17 PM
    J.Vandegrift
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    I wonder how many more years it will be before everyone finally accepts that they are the exact same thing. Same morph from two different lines. No difference in the color either aside from normal variation that is present in all morphs. I think we have almost finally gotten there with pastels but the lesser/butter thing is still going strong.

    I have a question for the "they are different" believers,

    If I import a snake that looks like a pied, that is compatible with pieds, and it produces identical looking offspring and combos as pieds, can I make up a different name for it?
  • 06-10-2010, 02:58 AM
    AlecHolmesReptiles
    Re: So Let See What You Think!?!?
    I'd say lesser but these morphs are virtually interchangeable. A light lesser, dark butter look nearly identical. They really are basically the same thing... Important to ask the breeder you purchased from.
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