Bumblebee x Desert Ballpython

Hi everyone,
i read Hundreds of posts here but this is my first :)

I am going to buy a Bumblebee(female) and in about 2-3 years a Desert(male) morph.

Bumblebee x Desert:
1/8 Normal
1/8 Pastel
1/8 Spider
1/8 Bumblebee
1/8 Desert
1/8 Desert Pastel
1/8 Desert Spider
1/8 Desert Bumblebee

Now i would like to know how do i add the pied morph into this ?
( both Het. for pied ? or will a Desert Pied x Bumblebee add Pied into the baby's ? )
( so one Het. for pied isn't enough ? )
and do you know wich morphs will add to the list then ? ( spider pied ? etc.. )

I hope you guys know what i mean :D

Thank you so much.
Peter.

You could have them both het piebald or breed a dessert pied and a spied together since pied is ressesive it needs to be on both sides or you get hets

you realize that pied spiders only have head pattern right?

If you breed a Desert X Bumble bee it should be:

1/4 bumble bee het. desert
1/4 spider het. desert
1/4 pastel het. desert
1/4 normal het. desert

Basically all offspring will either appear bumble bee, spider, pastel or normal and just carry the desert gene because desert is recessive. You'd have to breed one of the offspring back up to the dad to make visual deserts/combos.

(I'm pretty sure thats how it works, someone correct me in I'm wrong)

I'm tired so I won't even go into bringing pied in the mix...

This guy comes from our dutch forums, and isn't quite the genetics genius. :p

either way, theres a recessive morph called 'Desert ghost', and a dominant version called 'Desert'.

He doesn't realize that the spider pied only carries a spider head, and a completely white body.

A bumblebee pied also only has a patterned head, on a white base body.
So a desert bumblebee pied would still be a white snake with a colored head.

This is just someone who wants to step into breeding asap, has seen the morphs on pictures but never even handled a ball.

bumblebee x desert

offspring x pied

offspring x offspring.

10 year project.

Or bring a new mortgage on your house and try to buy a bumblebee het pied x desert het pied.

Greets,

Yaron

they just see the dollar bills in there eyes
weer een die nooit een slang heeft gehad maar
denk he das easy money

psies ;)

greets,

Yaron

And to add - I don't think anyone has made a desert bumblebee pied - or even a desert bumblebee het pied.

Greets,

Yaron

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Originally Posted by irezumi67

they just see the dollar bills in there eyes
weer een die nooit een slang heeft gehad maar
denk he das easy money

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Please reply in English so everyone can read your comment...


Regards Bas

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Originally Posted by bad-one

If you breed a Desert X Bumble bee it should be:

1/4 bumble bee het. desert
1/4 spider het. desert
1/4 pastel het. desert
1/4 normal het. desert

Basically all offspring will either appear bumble bee, spider, pastel or normal and just carry the desert gene because desert is recessive. You'd have to breed one of the offspring back up to the dad to make visual deserts/combos.

(I'm pretty sure thats how it works, someone correct me in I'm wrong)

I'm tired so I won't even go into bringing pied in the mix...

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Your mixing the Desert and the Desert Ghost up.
The topicstarter is talking about the dominant Desert gene.

Regards,

Bas

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Originally Posted by Ntume

This guy comes from our dutch forums, and isn't quite the genetics genius. :p

either way, theres a recessive morph called 'Desert ghost', and a dominant version called 'Desert'.

He doesn't realize that the spider pied only carries a spider head, and a completely white body.

A bumblebee pied also only has a patterned head, on a white base body.
So a desert bumblebee pied would still be a white snake with a colored head.

This is just someone who wants to step into breeding asap, has seen the morphs on pictures but never even handled a ball.

bumblebee x desert

offspring x pied

offspring x offspring.

10 year project.

Or bring a new mortgage on your house and try to buy a bumblebee het pied x desert het pied.

Greets,

Yaron

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i have 3 friends who have ballpythons and a boa wich i handle sometimes and feed.
more then 4 years i hold his ballpython/boa sometimes...
i don't know much about genetics, but that doesn't mean no exprerience
so please shut up if u can't say a useful thing :gj:

So thanks guys for the info !:bow:
Now i know a little more about this :)

Just because friends have them, doesn't mean you share their experiences and/or troubleshooting when it comes to husbandry or breeding.

Especially concerning morphs around 3k+ euros.

We have given you certain pointers and tips towards starting the hobby, but I suggest you go and read up on simple genetics as a start.
Also, breeding doesn't come down to throwing animals together and wait for outcome. It takes experience, or better said 'quality time spend with your animals'

good luck with your 'Bumblebee Desert pied' 10 year project Rookie! :gj:

greets,

Yaron

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Originally Posted by RockingRoyals

Your mixing the Desert and the Desert Ghost up.
The topicstarter is talking about the dominant Desert gene.

Regards,

Bas

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Woops, whenever I think of desert I always assume desert ghost for some reason >_<

Desert is a dominant morph not recessive. He was right on his odds 1/8 for the desert bumble bee. As far as getting a pied desert bumble bee you would need both desert and bumble bee het fir pied first but even then it's a 1/32 chance of getting a snake with all traits

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Originally Posted by Ntume

Just because friends have them, doesn't mean you share their experiences and/or troubleshooting when it comes to husbandry or breeding.

Especially concerning morphs around 3k+ euros.

We have given you certain pointers and tips towards starting the hobby, but I suggest you go and read up on simple genetics as a start.
Also, breeding doesn't come down to throwing animals together and wait for outcome. It takes experience, or better said 'quality time spend with your animals'

good luck with your 'Bumblebee Desert pied' 10 year project Rookie! :gj:

greets,

Yaron

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pointers/tips ??? you( NOT OTHERS ) said what i should and can't do loooool
Everyone does start somewhere ...
And is better then impuls buying and don't know anything about snakes.
i did more with snakes then u know little boy ( pls say you are 18+ :rofl: )
i don't need your OK to own snakes lmao.
Those 4 years of feeding/handling/cleaning/helping is enough for me to know i want a snake.
Don't be jelous i can afford a desert pied or something ...
I start with what i want even if it costs me 20.000 $ ...
get a life and stop flaming on people you don't know instead of helping them out.
Thanks i will have allot of fun :) even with your 9 year old unnessecary flaming.

I beg to differ.

I'm allready way over your budget buddy. And this isn't just about the money.
What I said and meant was the fact that proper husbandry and knowledge takes time and a certain 'learning curve'.

You start off with 'I want to produce morph xxx' which nobody even made and is well worth over 50k if produced. That's a sign of quick $$ in your eyes and not just starting the snake hobby.

We'll see how 'far' you are in 3 years.

oh and FYI, I'm 22 years old.

Greets,

Yaron

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Originally Posted by Pepee

pointers/tips ??? you( NOT OTHERS ) said what i should and can't do loooool idiot
Everyone does start somewhere ...
And is better then impuls buying and don't know anything about snakes.
i did more with snakes then u know little boy ( pls say you are 18+ :rofl: )
i don't need your OK to own snakes lmao.
Those 4 years of feeding/handling/cleaning/helping is enough for me to know i want a snake.
Don't be jelous i can afford a desert pied or something ...
I start with what i want even if it costs me 20.000 $ ...
get a life and stop flaming on people you don't know instead of helping them out.
Thanks i will have allot of fun :) even with your 9 year old unnessecary flaming.

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When you get your 20 k snake and it dies because you've never had any snakes personnally you won't be happy trust me ;)

So with over 4 years of questions and helping out with snakes i will let my snake die ^^
maybe i should train with a HOT owner for 20 years before i get a ballpython lol
i'm buying a bumblebee ( 500 $ ) ( female ) i said that i could and will buy what i want.

And why would it die ...
i mean i will keep them in a cold terrarium,
and moist levels will be verry dry.
i will feed it 3 to 4 times a year ...

i did my research,
i even know they don't like water and drink less then 2 times a year.

my setup = 200 cm x 120 cm x 80 cm
no hide ! ( very important )
NO waterbowl ... cuz they hate water

i'm ready dudes !!!:D


ps: thanks for helping ( the ones who are sincere )

There's your first mistake.

And I quote:

I'm buying a Bumblebee for 500$ (Like we care what it costs?).

(let me fill you in on a little secret. When having the desire to breed animals 10 million people allready produce, try to get the best possible example of the morph you can find. this way the offspring will look better then those of the competition and you won't have to sell them off for 500$ like Uncle Bob Clark does. ) then again, pretty parents do not always mean pretty offspring. The browning out of the pastel daddy is a good signal tho.

So even if you did manage to find a bumblebee for 500$, it's either hella ugly or late-started.

A nice bumble will run you 800+ euros. And then I mean a NICE bumblebee.

But this wasn't about the money. right?
a little giggle there.

Greets,

Yaron

P.s Sorry just had to post this:

**No, you didn't - dr del**

so u have become 22 years old to say that stuff about people you don't know...
u must have allot of friends ^^ :rofl:
like people commented on the other forum about your fantastic answers and whining..

i think that 4+ years of helping with everything with boa's and pythons
Gives me more experience then kids who get a snake from his parents for his birthday .... i mean 'EVEN YOU :rofl:' must agree on that Ntume ....

and i have more then money enough to buy certain snakes,
so money is not why i am doing this ... i want a queenbee and a desert..
3000 $ is not expensive for me, a new car of 30.000 $ starts to get expensive..

Annyway i just think you are an idiot for saying those things,
even if you have 50.000 snakes, i don't care... you shouldn't act like a 5 yr old.

edit: the bumblebee's are still in the egg but i can buy it for that price ... so again you are talking trash wich i didn't ask for ... but you are a pro i see lmao.
and i meant to say 500 € / 700 $
"I'm buying a Bumblebee for 500$ (Like we care what it costs?)."
well in your posts you only talk about $ and € ... and what everyting costs lol
so to satisfy a 22 year old internet gangster i told the price.

So i just asked about a few parings.
And all of a sudden
-i never even handled a snake...
-i can't buy 2000$+ morphs (lmao)
-my snake will die just like that ( best one xD )
-i don't know annything about a snake
-i can't produce snakes that are rare ^^
-southpark suddenly is teaching me about snakes ... lmao
-nice looking animals cost more (thats not a big secret i think xD but hey you have exeeded the costs of what i want ) ( even if it wast about money xDxDxDxDxD )

Such help is awsome xD
oh please tell me more of those SUPER tips that will make me as good of a snake keeper as you, ... PLEASE MAN hahaha

I'm not the one going on and on about the cash, you contradict yourself so many times.

I could go on and on, but your last post has proven enough allready. (agewise and personality wise)

I'll be waiting on your desert queenbee piebald pictures on slangenforum.

Greets,

Yaron

lol Desert queenbee piebald ^^
questions = for info
saying: i am gonna do this and this = doing

but yeah again thanks for telling me:
-i never even handled a snake...
-i can't buy 2000$+ morphs (lmao)
-my snake will die just like that ( best one xD )
-i don't know annything about a snake
-i can't produce snakes that are rare ^^
-southpark suddenly is teaching me about snakes ... Lmao
-nice looking animals cost more

i would pay you for this incredible stuff, THANKS :salute:

i still think he doesnt realize that the desert whatever bee pied will still be all white with a head pattern ( so you wont see hardly any pattern ) lol