Fauna BOI Thread Regarding Chuck Kimmel Auction and Wise Reptiles

Please read this thread, so far things don't look too good in it.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=179622

Background info-
Chuck Kimmel, aka Critical Bill, was a well known member on fauna and best known for his talent and bluntness in calling out the bad guys and scammers for what they are. He became ill ( unfortunately, he did pass away, RIP Chuck) and Wise Reptiles offered to host an auction, having other members put up animals and the funds sent to them (Wise Reptiles) and then sent to Chuck's family to help in their time of need.

This thread is about funds donated not making it to Chuck's family.

uhg...this just makes me so sick :puke:

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Originally Posted by bad-one

Please read this thread, so far things don't look too good in it.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=179622

Background info-
Chuck Kimmel, aka Critical Bill, was a well known member on fauna and best known for his talent and bluntness in calling out the bad guys and scammers for what they are. He became ill ( unfortunately, he did pass away, RIP Chuck) and Wise Reptiles offered to host an auction, having other members put up animals and the funds sent to them (Wise Reptiles) and then sent to Chuck's family to help in their time of need.

This thread is about funds donated not making it to Chuck's family.

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Thanks for posting this here!!

That is just horrible, I cannot believe someone would do such a thing. That is just unbelievable, messed up, and completely out of line. I am extremely ashamed of Wise Reptiles for doing that just for the money. That is just unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by Serpents_Den

Thanks for posting this here!!

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Np, its the least I can do for the family. I didn't know Chuck personally at all, but I had a lot of respect for the guy. He always said what needed to be said :salute:

fauna seems to be a breeding ground for activity like that. just one reason id never sell on there, too many scammers and all around riff raff

I gave up one of my first bps, and a pet project at that to those auctions.

The money not making it to the families pissed me off enough to get me banned from that site. I can NOT believe the nerve of the Wise's.

do you know how pissed I'd be if you put my checking account number, routeing number and an electronic copy of my signature on the internet..

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

do you know how pissed I'd be if you put my checking account number, routeing number and an electronic copy of my signature on the internet..

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lol i was thinking the same thing:colbert: I also think if i read the chase account part right they deposit the 3500, cause the balance part increased not decreased.. anyone with basic math skills can see that. I find it truly a bone head move to send anyone info like that online. and the Wise did so on their own :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by mechnut450

lol i was thinking the same thing:colbert: I also think if i read the chase account part right they deposit the 3500, cause the balance part increased not decreased.. anyone with basic math skills can see that. I find it truly a bone head move to send anyone info like that online. and the Wise did so on their own :rolleye2:

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I haven't read the whole thread but I worked for a bank for years and can tell you that the company's that print check do make mistakes. mis printing account numbers, doubling up on check numbers..

I'd be interested to know if they corrected the mistake.. or contacted the writer of the check prior to posting that..

Wow that is just terrible terrible terrible. Wish I had words of wisdom to give everyone...but I have nothing. I would think not paying the intended receipent would be some type of federal crime though. :colbert:

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

do you know how pissed I'd be if you put my checking account number, routeing number and an electronic copy of my signature on the internet..

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In my opinion thats not punishment enough for what they did :mad:.They out to be banned from the reptile world forever!

The Wises seem to be on the run, and people on Fauna are tracking them on the internet and also helping people who donated animals and moneys to file reports with the authorities.

I kind of doubt they'll be doing very much publicly with reptiles anymore. I'd hope that they try to show up at a reptile show and get busted by the authorites.

I just hope that we spread the word enough that these......"people" never again have the chance of buying any animals at all. Right now I want to crush their image that even the newest of the newbies know to stay well away from them. I feel so sorry for Maggie and her girls as they are having to deal with all this on top of everything else.

Please if you know the Wises or are ever contacted by them, rip them a new one and turn them into the police. I vow that I will do as much as I can to let everyone I know about these "people".

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Originally Posted by joepythons

In my opinion thats not punishment enough for what they did :mad:.They out to be banned from the reptile world forever!

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While we may feel that way its against the Federal Banking Privacy Act..for any person or institution to release banking information to any third party other than the payee of the the negotiable instrument or at the order of Federal Supina..even then your given 30 day to contest.The person that posted that picture can now have Federal charges pressed against them and could serve 5-10 years and face up to 250,000.00 per offense, and may be required to pay any damages the other party incurs. They don't play when it comes to releasing other peoples banking information over the net.

Just had a peek, and they have admitted to faking the information posted regarding payments and to having stole the money.

So sad. :(

bruce

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

Just had a peek, and they have admitted to faking the information posted regarding payments and to having stole the money.

So sad. :(

bruce

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So they admitted stealing the money?? or to faking the accusation about stealing the money..

It is a convuluted, as can be expected, but from what I could garner Mrs. Wise admitted they spent the cash on painkillers, and bills. Did I misread?

And that she faked that first cheque that was posted online where the numbers did not match up in an attempt to stall for time.

Bruce

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

It is a convuluted, as can be expected, but from what I could garner Mrs. Wise admitted they spent the cash on painkillers, and bills. Did I misread?

And that she faked that first cheque that was posted online where the numbers did not match up.

Bruce

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Let them Burn then..

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

And that she faked that first cheque that was posted online where the numbers did not match up in an attempt to stall for time.

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Yes, they did determine that was a completely faked check. There are also paypal account and bank info posted by them that appear digitally altered.

The whole is just a horrible act by some lousy scammers.

Looks like prison system is going to get a little more crowded...

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Yes I have avoided this thread because I didnt know what to do or say. The check is a fake the PAYPAL is all real and can be verified by Dand. HE has been in my account and has seen it. I did lie about the money. I was scared. Maggie had told us when she called and we was upset about Jeffs aunt to take the money to go down there. She knew we would have to stay in a hotel and rent a car she said it was ok I told her no she said ok i wont take any more money from you you need to do this. we argued about it for awhile and then I finally said fine I was gonna give her money out of my next check then. Then when we got home I found in the mail a bill from my electric company saying I owed 700 or they would shut it off due to an old bill it was an address i lived at a long time ago my ex had put the electricity back in my name. How i dont know and why i dont know ... they said i had to pay it because I lived there before. I had this convo with maggie when we were talking about our days she said use the money everything was fine right now do what i had to do and I could pay her back . THAT WAS THE 1500. thats 3100 total so far. I then knew jeff was going to random places to buy small items and get money back to get pain killers for his knee. It has been bothering him lately and there was nothing to stop the pain and nothing to help. I knew he was doing this but was scared to say anything I didnt expect it to get this bad. I didnt know what to do. When maggie said I need the 1000 now or else, I didnt know what to do I knew i wouldnt have 1000. I thought the only way i could do it is make it up to stall. I am wrong for that. I am sorry I really wasnt trying to hurt you maggie I am truelly sorry I dont think you will ever believe me. I am working at get you money now. I was gonna list the albino and 3 hets up for sale so that I can have that money sent you , also the crested I will sale . I know I messed up and I want to make this right I know this will not make anything right or better I just want maggie to have her money. I know its a little late and i know I will get heck for this post but I needed to do it. I am truely sorry to all of you and have cleared it all up. The check and the bank account are the only items I fixed. I just didnt know what to do.

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I rarely regret things, it serves little purpose.

However, I regret, right now, that I can't go over there.

Sigh.

The thread can be read as a guest, so I'm up to speed, but just sitting idly by is uncomfortable. I'd like to explain some things to the wises.

Oh well, I asked rich to re-unban me just to make a couple posts on this thread. Maybe he will.

I hope so.

This is pretty low, what these folks have done to Maggie and her kids.

I hope he lets you Wes, the Wise's need some Wes "medicine".

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I hope he lets you Wes, the Wise's need some Wes "medicine".

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Me too, Robin. I was hoping to see Wes in there somewhere when I read that thread last night. I'll have to read tonight after work as I don't have the time to sink my teeth into it at work.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I haven't read the whole thread but I worked for a bank for years and can tell you that the company's that print check do make mistakes. mis printing account numbers, doubling up on check numbers..

I'd be interested to know if they corrected the mistake.. or contacted the writer of the check prior to posting that..

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at around page 40 or so Mrs Wise came on and said that the check we are all looking at was not real. She doctored it to cover up the theft.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

The thread can be read as a guest, so I'm up to speed, but just sitting idly by is uncomfortable. I'd like to explain some things to the wises.

Oh well, I asked rich to re-unban me just to make a couple posts on this thread. Maybe he will.

I hope so.

This is pretty low, what these folks have done to Maggie and her kids.

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I'd love to see Rich let you post there. I don't respond to many BOI threads, but for someone to deal such a low blow ...:mad:

I have not posted here in...well...months...just needed a break :)

But I want to personally THANK you for posting this. Chuck was a very special person and for the Wise's to do this is beyond comprehension. It makes me very ill to think I trusted these people.

Thanks for posting

This is horrible and im off the make a Sticky Thread on my forum as well. The more word is out the better.

Not to mention i live 45 mins away from these ppl.

To sum it up.
$1,600 was sent to Maggie and the children. That leaves roughly $3,853 that the Wise's kept out of $5,453 raised.
They used it for drugs and to buy new herps.
Complete scum.

I have nothing nice to say in regards to the Wise's and what they have done so I will say nothing at all. But I will say that my heart and prayers really go out to Maggie and her family. It is very heart breaking to see all this has happened to them. Again, I am sad to see all this has happened to her and her family and they will be in my family's prayers...

Agreed Jeff,

Having to fight to recieve something your community rallied together to give you, when you should be grieving and moving forward... is just heartbreaking. :(

Bruce

Being a basically heartless bastard, I don't have that problem.

This though, is one of those things that gets my anger smoldering. It's when I think and plot and manipulate evil doers, when I get this ire that isn't hot, it's not raging or wanting to suddenly and randomly strike out, it's a cold methodical path to not only demoralization but a bit of fear too.

There's a bit of a story I'd like to tell the wises about what it's like to be hunted. To never knowing if the person you're talking to is going to turn you in to the authorities or maybe just give you a good ol fashion ass whuppin, or just shun you and send you on your way. I'd like to tell them how, years from now people will see there children and ask them what it was like growing up with parents that stole from widows and infants. I could go on, but I haven't given it time to bake in the coals yet.

wises, if you see this, you should be afraid. Not of me, but of what I'm going to say, maybe here, maybe on fauna, maybe other places as well. Words can do far more and much longer lasting damage that mental midgets like you can even begin to comprehend. I honestly think you are not smart enough to know how stupid you are. You'll learn though, be taught more like, but the lesson won't be forgotten, not with as many teachers as you have lined up to drive it home. Hell, I'm not necessary at all, I just don't like you. And you hurt someone I care about. That was a mistake. Especially since I'm not the only one who feels that way about Chuck's family.

Here's the only bit of niceness you'll be getting from me. Do what you have to to pay this, but do it and do it now. The sooner you get her what was given to her, the sooner you can slink back to your trough and hide in the sty. Don't bother making excuses, NO ONE wants to hear them. Just pay up.

sheesh

Wow.. I have this very odd respect for Wilomn. The things he says makes some peope mad but they usually just make me smile. I think becase I know all to well..

As for the idiots that did this... A past room mate stole money from me once to make a car payment. Denied it but I had proof. When I threw the two of them out I was later told by my BF that daggers came out of my eyes and flames from my ears.. lol! Nothing to laugh about but these people have no idea what someone could do to them if they really wanted to. The anger inspired by lying, cheating, stealing, and directly hurting people you care about, is a million times worse than if you were to get mad and go rob a store or commit some other petty crime. People dont forget when its been done to people they care about. Its what keeps the twisted thoughts of normally sane people from ever dying out.

Well reading about this here and on the BOI....(and I am sure it was posted in many other places) karma is already on them. They will never be able to sell within the reptile community again. I highly doubt they would be able to even think about selling at a show. They might be able to sell to a kid here and there....but not anything that will sustain them. This is just one aspect....there is also the legalities of it as well and I am sure as I type the authorities are and have been notified. Afterall you have her admission right online...(hopefully all involed copied and pasted that paticular post to their hard drive). We also have to remember that they are admittedly drug users (at least he is, I find it hard to believe you are married to one and not using yourself). That alone is a personal hell of another kind. She also admitted to this on the thread as well. Hence I hope ppl involved are calling CPS so that the children are taken out of a drug situation. And though some don't believe in this...someday they will have to answer to a higher power. So with all this...I believe the karma ball has already started to roll and will only get much much worse.

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Well reading about this here and on the BOI....(and I am sure it was posted in many other places) karma is already on them. They will never be able to sell within the reptile community again. I highly doubt they would be able to even think about selling at a show. They might be able to sell to a kid here and there....but not anything that will sustain them. This is just one aspect....there is also the legalities of it as well and I am sure as I type the authorities are and have been notified. Afterall you have her admission right online...(hopefully all involed copied and pasted that paticular post to their hard drive). We also have to remember that they are admittedly drug users (at least he is, I find it hard to believe you are married to one and not using yourself). That alone is a personal hell of another kind. She also admitted to this on the thread as well. Hence I hope ppl involved are calling CPS so that the children are taken out of a drug situation. And though some don't believe in this...someday they will have to answer to a higher power. So with all this...I believe the karma ball has already started to roll and will only get much much worse.

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I agree, not only will they be practically unable to sell animals, but also to purchase animals from reputable people who have read the thread knowing where some of that money could have come from.

No matter what they do, their names will never ever be clear again. ;)

I sincerely hope your wish is granted, Wes. That world over there isn't the same without you.

I've said what's on my mind over there so I won't rehash here, but these guys deserve every bit of the crap sandwich they're about to be forced to take a big bite of.

Thanks BP.net for letting this thread stand, and I hope it will be moved to the business inquiry section where anyone looking for info on these people might see it and be warned. I came here this morning specifically searching for this thread, and it took me a while to find it in this section.

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Originally Posted by BAMReptiles

fauna seems to be a breeding ground for activity like that. just one reason id never sell on there, too many scammers and all around riff raff

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lol, they come because it's the ONLY place online where they get called out. It's try to defend, or let it stand. I couldn't survive without the BOI, man--I would never feel safe buying online without it. I've also made quite a few sales there, I consider it the second most frequented classifieds venue in the online reptile community--and definitely the safest, because if there's a scammer posting stuff, they get caught and posted in the BOI almost immediately. Kingsnake doesn't even PERMIT negative comments--that's the biggest online classifieds, but definitely the least secure.

There may be some nasty personalities over there, I'll grant you that--but who cares about personality in this type of situation? I'd rather sell my snake to an honest guy with a nasty personality than a nice guy who will try to bilk me out of money.

I come to BP.net for great conversations and decent people. But I go to Fauna if I want to hear the dirt or the praise on someone I'm considering buying from, or selling to.

I'm saddened to hear that someone took advantage of Chuck's passing in such a terrible way.

Yeah, I decided to ignore the ignorance of that person's comment yesterday. Considering many use both forums posting here.

Thanks Robin for the support you have shown on Fauna and here. Wes, my friend, I would love to see them turned inside out, begging for mercy, like only you can do.

Unfortunately it looks like they are running with their tails between there legs.

Yes they backed out stating that "the police and their attorney" told them not to give up the animals. It has already been confirmed that the police being over there was a lie. :colbert:

Disgusting excuse for human beings.

I can't say it any better than Wes, for he said it perfectly.

Nevermind

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Originally Posted by Dennis Hultman

Yeah, I decided to ignore the ignorance of that person's comment yesterday. Considering many use both forums posting here.

Thanks Robin for the support you have shown on Fauna and here. Wes, my friend, I would love to see them turned inside out, begging for mercy, like only you can do.

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Sadly Rich has declined to acquiesce to my request for clemency. He's still looking for a fight that isn't there.

Maybe we could do like the did for Betty White on Saturday Night Live and start a facebook page to bring back Wilomn.

Heh, what an imagination I've got.

Thanks for the compliment though and well done to you and Dand and the rest, you guys have done a heck of a job.

What a horrible and very sad story. :(

I don't know any of the people involved, but I have to say that it doesn't surprise me. There are always parasites looking to make a buck off of other peoples fortune or misfortune. Look at what happens everytime there is a disaster somewhere. The money collectors come out of the woodwork like cockroaches...

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Sadly Rich has declined to acquiesce to my request for clemency. He's still looking for a fight that isn't there.

Maybe we could do like the did for Betty White on Saturday Night Live and start a facebook page to bring back Wilomn.

Heh, what an imagination I've got.

Thanks for the compliment though and well done to you and Dand and the rest, you guys have done a heck of a job.

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That is some pretty effed up stuff.....all I can really say, cause there's not much else to say about it. :(