Immaculate Super Pastel....

Has anyone heard of a Super Pastel produced from breeding a Pastel to a Pastel sibling? The reason I ask, is we hatched out what appears to be a Super Pastel last week and the breeding was a Pastel to what I thought was a normal. However this baby looks like every Super Pastel I have ever seen. In fact I took her to a show here in KC last weekend and everyone there that knows anything about Ball Pythons said she looked like a Super to them, and then I told them what the breeding was and they all got this confused stumped look on their faces. It wasn't till later in the day that a couple of guys said they had heard of this happening but it was very rare. Obviously she is going to be a hold back and we will have to prove her out.

I'll post some pics later today when I get to the shop. If she isn't a Super then she is the best looking Pastel I have ever seen!

I should also point out that another breeder said that they had heard the Pastel genes were much like a Jaguar Carpet gene. What they meant was someone bred a Jag to a Jag sib and produced a Lucy Carpet. Apparently this is only supposed to happen when you bred a Jag to a Jag.

Never heard of that.. Some pics will help when you get them put up..it is possiable that the Sib might be something else but I have a feeling it's just a Good looking Pastel..

The "normal" could be a very very browned out pastel I suppose. But I imagine its more likely just a very nice pastel.

Basically you have a couple scenarios as to what happened:

1) Its just an extraordinary example of a pastel (that looks like a super). Bred to a confirmed normal would produce 50% pastels.

2) Your "normal" was a really ugly pastel (doesn't seem like this is very possible) and this is indeed a super pastel. Bred to a confirmed normal would produce 100% pastels.

3) Your normal is in fact a normal, but during some point in cell duplication (would have had to be early on) the allele paired with the pastel gene (aka normal allele) was destroyed, and the mutant allele (pastel) was duplicated. Other things that could have happened would have been a mutant allele interacting with the pastel allele to form the phenotypic appearance of a "Super Pastel".

Just a few thoughts to ponder.

Think it was last year or year before, but Ralph Davis produced a clown from a clutch that had clown genetics on one side.

how bout some pics so we can see it!! ha

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Originally Posted by Mahlon

Think it was last year or year before, but Ralph Davis produced a clown from a clutch that had clown genetics on one side.

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Though that could have been the case of unknown hets.

My guess is that it is a nice pastel with high blushing. Let it shed a few times and see.

Id love to see a picture prove me wrong though!

And of the parents

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Originally Posted by HOFSKC

I should also point out that another breeder said that they had heard the Pastel genes were much like a Jaguar Carpet gene. What they meant was someone bred a Jag to a Jag sib and produced a Lucy Carpet. Apparently this is only supposed to happen when you bred a Jag to a Jag.

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You heard from a friend that heard from a friend :P In any case I have not seen any cases of a pastel bred to a NORMAL producing super pastels.

Here is the mom.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/jhormann/Mom.jpg

Here is the dad.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/jhormann/Dad.jpg

Here is the baby. She is shed right now too.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/jhormann/Baby.jpg

I'll shoot another pic of her after she sheds out to show comparison. The bottom line is we aren't selling her as a Super, in fact we aren't selling her at all. I agree that she will probably change a lot as she gets older, they always do, I just have never hatched a baby Pastel that has the blushing that this little one does.

Wow, ok..... Now your are sure that's the mom? There is no mistaking her for a pastel. Pretty baby though

I assure you this is the mom, this was the second clutch we got this year. There were only four eggs. Three were good up till three weeks before they hatched then one went bad. The two that hatched included this girl and anther that died after coming out of the egg. It was also a pastel that looked much like this one but was underdeveloped.

If that is the mom then you have a really nice looking pastel but sadly not a super pastel...

Pastel :) Wait until she sheds. You have a case of just having a REALLY nice pastel dad throwing REALLY nice baby's.

I have an odd theory about the influence they have on color...but id suggest putting her with a hypo when she gets older.

wow thats crazy! I would definitely be pairing those 2 snakes together again in the fall.

Yep just a pastel.. Super's heads are almost purple and they have "Green/blue eye shadow" above their eyes..

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...l/DSC_0248.jpg

that is an outstanding pastel, but its no super.

The head on supers is almost white, and they have very little black on them. Yours has a lot of black on the body, and the head, while light, isn't what i'd consider light enough.

VERY pretty baby though. Post more pics when she sheds out :)

her pastel father is very nice indeed!
and i think he's going to have a daughter that will follow suit...

she's not a super

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Pastel :) Wait until she sheds. You have a case of just having a REALLY nice pastel dad throwing REALLY nice baby's.

I have an odd theory about the influence they have on color...but id suggest putting her with a hypo when she gets older.

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I think that a lot of people have noticed that het ghost combined with some other morphs like pastel does affect the brightness of the colour &also helps suppress browning out with age. I know that recessive hets are not supposed to be visual but there are distinct possibilities of gene combination effects when you add in other morphs to give a visual effect on the co-dom even if not apparent in an animal only carrying one copy of the recessive. Idon't know what the genetics experts on here think about that one but it is an apparent effect that has been noticed a number of times.

She's a nice pastel!