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Folicles or Ovulation ? albino x 3 males
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Re: Folicles or Ovulation ? albino x 3 males
Kinda looks like it to me. When was the last time she shed her skin?
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Jyson
Kinda looks like it to me. When was the last time she shed her skin?
i don't remember. i think more than 1 month before. is the 1st time i saw her too swollen from the day that i start breeding her.
yesterday i put the albino male on the cage without any copulation success. today i put the pastel who is better breeder than albino. i will see tomorrow.
when the female is on follicular development must be breed during this time to fertilize the ova?
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Aside from the ovulation (which I don't see, she looks too thin to give up any weight for eggs) why would you breed an albino to another albino... and then a normal?
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mykee
Aside from the ovulation (which I don't see, she looks too thin to give up any weight for eggs) why would you breed an albino to another albino... and then a normal?
i breed several males on this female because from December until April she didn't show any sign of pregnancy but she accept any male...
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Re: Folicles or Ovulation ? albino x 3 males
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I would have stuck with just the albino male, but good luck!!
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Beardedragon
I would have stuck with just the albino male, but good luck!!
the first try it was with albino male but they didn't copulate for the first week and i put other males inside and copulation was success from the first night. after several breeding pleasures :) and some months later i put the albino male and they copulate.
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I would have given the albino male a LOT more time than a week, but good luck either way. Hopefully you get a few albinos. Do you know how many eggs she has in her?
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1. Patience. Not every pairing will result in a lock-up within the first 8 minutes. If you wanted albinos, you stick with the albino male and nothing else. Now that you've bred a pastel to her, ANY baby that looks normal can only be sold as a normal, even though they may be 100% het albinos.
2. That female is way to small to have bred.
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Re: Folicles or Ovulation ? albino x 3 males
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Originally Posted by
mykee
1. Patience. Not every pairing will result in a lock-up within the first 8 minutes. If you wanted albinos, you stick with the albino male and nothing else. Now that you've bred a pastel to her, ANY baby that looks normal can only be sold as a normal, even though they may be 100% het albinos.
I think you got that twisted a little, they can be sold as 100 % hets cause the female is the one thats albino, doesnt matter what the male is all the babies will be 100 % het albino; if not an actual albino.
true if you wanted an albino clutch you should have just kept on with the albino male only rather than jumping around between the other males. But Good louck anyways hope the albino was the one who sealed the deal. and maybe next time let your girl get a few hundred more grams on her, in think 1200 is the bare minimum of breeding but most say its too small.
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guys
i dont care if i got albinos or hets. just love the hobby and i want eggs. i will be happy if i got some fertile eggs:)
i know the result of genetics but is not my first think.
i don't believe that the female has more than 2 eggs. but the point is if she is on follicular development and i must continue having a male on her cage to fertilize the eggs or allow her alone and wait..
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Ozone
guys
i dont care if i got albinos or hets. just love the hobby and i want eggs. i will be happy if i got some fertile eggs:)
i know the result of genetics but is not my first think.
i don't believe that the female has more than 2 eggs. but the point is if she is on follicular development and i must continue having a male on her cage to fertilize the eggs or allow her alone and wait..
She's done. She is ovulating in your pics. You can tell for sure because in the pic that she is balled up and you see her belly you can see the tail suck. The creased vent scales are a sure way to know she is ovulating.
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"I think you got that twisted a little, they can be sold as 100 % hets cause the female is the one thats albino, doesnt matter what the male is all the babies will be 100 % het albino; if not an actual albino.
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Wow, I knew that...
That's embarassing!
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pfan151
She's done. She is ovulating in your pics. You can tell for sure because in the pic that she is balled up and you see her belly you can see the tail suck. The creased vent scales are a sure way to know she is ovulating.
i hope you really be right!!!
i had the same situation with normal female but she was swollen 1.5 week and then return back to normal.
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After ovulation they don't retain that look, that is how many people miss their ovulations altogether. If the normal female is looking normal again, she could DEFINITELY still throw some eggs, so I'd watch out for that. Good luck with both girls! Make sure to feed them well after they lay though, that girl is looking a bit on the thin side--though it may just be the pictures.
Cheers,
-Matt
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She should be a minium 1200 grams in October(beginning of breeding season) not 1200 grams now! Good luck with the ovy!
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Ozone
i hope you really be right!!!
i had the same situation with normal female but she was swollen 1.5 week and then return back to normal.
There is no need to hope. She is ovulating in the pic. 100% positive.
She will shed in about 2 weeks and lay about a month or so later.
Can't help you on the other one. Have you palpated her? Right after ovulation it is tough to feel the eggs, but after a couple weeks, as laying gets closer, they are pretty easy to feel. You can even tell if you have slugs by palpating them.
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pfan151
There is no need to hope. She is ovulating in the pic. 100% positive.
She will shed in about 2 weeks and lay about a month or so later.
Can't help you on the other one. Have you palpated her? Right after ovulation it is tough to feel the eggs, but after a couple weeks, as laying gets closer, they are pretty easy to feel. You can even tell if you have slugs by palpating them.
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okay we have to wait then!!
for the normal female. yes i palpated her and i don't feel the eggs(or slugs)!!
if she finally lay eggs , it will happen this days. i didn't remember the day that she shed because she was showmen off and i didn't write it down.
ultra sound will tell us if she has eggs? i can search for vet..
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Ozone
okay we have to wait then!!
for the normal female. yes i palpated her and i don't feel the eggs(or slugs)!!
if she finally lay eggs , it will happen this days. i didn't remember the day that she shed because she was showmen off and i didn't write it down.
ultra sound will tell us if she has eggs? i can search for vet..
Why pay for an ultrasound? You'll know soon anyway.
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hello all
i am back with news. my albino is on shedding procedure. as you can look on the pictures she turn back to normal. she is not swollen. do you believe this female has eggs now?
pictures taken before 40 mins..
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Ozone
She definitely ovulated. I am not sure why you are not believing that? If she shed today she should lay the eggs somewhere around a month from now.
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because i cant feel anything on her body. she looks very normal. the eggs develop after ovulation? during the 30 days before the egg lay ?
she dosent shed yet. she is on dark mode :taz:
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She was ovulating in your previous pictures. Before ovulation, if you palpate you can feel the developing follicles -- they feel like a string of pearls and grow from the size of a pea to around the size of golfballs before the female ovulates. After ovulation, they are officially either eggs or slugs and if you palpate, they will feel softer than before (slugs will feel a bit hard still).
In your latest pics, she looks like she has the ridged back (raised spine) of a gravid female. You can expect eggs and/or slugs from her about a month after she sheds.
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she change skin yesterday... i am waiting now!
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on 31/05 she shed. yesterday i notice that she start shedding cycle again.
is that normal?
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Ozone
on 31/05 she shed. yesterday i notice that she start shedding cycle again.
is that normal?
Ι am back with 4 eggs! thanks all for the help! eggs are weigh from 97-115gr
one egg doesn't like me , it looks little slugy but i am not sure. check the photos..
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does this look slug?
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Ozone
All look like good eggs to me! No slugs! Slugs are smaller and would feel hard and candle yellow (no veins). Yours look viable. Congrats on your clutch!
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Hi,
Grats on the eggs. :)
Have you candled the one you are unsure about? If you put up a pic of that you might get some good opinions. It does look a bit sluggish though but it is a good size.
**edit**
OK so the one with the weak veins is the slug?
So which other egg isn't shown?
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dr del
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"i saw the genetics problems that come from the albino gen."
Huh?
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Ozone
i saw this hatchling outside from the egg. it was look good , but when i handle it i saw the genetics problems that come from the albino gen.
The problems could be genetics but there isnt a problem with the albino gene. Could have been temp problems, humidity problems and other stuff.
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So sorry about the one that didn't make it...and the one that has the deformity...:tears::tears::tears:
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The one with the deformity reminds me of Disney's Goofy. Poor thing.
Really hate that you had lousy luck with this clutch. I would have liked to have seen healthy albino babies hatching out for you.
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Ya I never heard of deformities because of an albino gene. You get it from genetics related from the parents or because of unstable incubation temps. You sure you kept your temps steady between 85-88 degrees? I have a orangebelly that I adopted for free because he had kinks one in his neck another towards his back end. He also had a rounded off tail. I would say most deformities are not genetic related but because of heating. The amniotic fluid also looks murky not clear, this makes me wonder about the incubation process that happened. Is the one with the mouth deformity eating yet? Im def. rooting for ya on everything panning out alright. I'm really sorry about the one egg dying on you. I had one in my clutch this year too; but it dried up and wasn't eggy. It def. was disappointing for me because it was my first clutch. But it happens.:tears:
