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  • 05-11-2010, 02:39 PM
    BOWSER11788
    When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    just wondering, when do they stop becomming pets, lol at moment i have 4 bps, and a couple corns, not counting other reps, I try to hold them when i can, i've notcied my corns are becoming cage, agressive, without me holding them lately, which sparks the above question. i want around, as of now on makret about 13 morphs, the will be my pets, hopefuly, breed once or twice, just to see if i can. With people who breed and sell, are the still pets for you or just breeding purposes. im not sayig you don't like them im just wondering if you get them out and sit around with them and let them crawl. i know people like NERD and BHB, can't do this but small time breeders with like 50 breeder age snakes. yes i know this is scatterd brained, but how many out there that breed and sell, there snakes are still pets.. VS, i love breeding snakes and enjiy it but they are not "pets", just somthing i do
  • 05-11-2010, 11:36 PM
    aff19802
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    My girlfriend has the same view you do she thinks that even someone with 10 or so snakes does it for the money...

    I think that once it becomes to many for you to handle you have become a "Big Breeder" but just because you become a breeder doesn't mean you do it or the money. I currently have 4 snakes and handle all of them allot, but i want to expand and produce the snakes I enjoy, not to sell them or breed the ones worth the most money, but the ones I enjoy looking at. First up are bees...

    But back to the subject when I do expand I will always have my snakes I consider pets like my first bp a normal male who will probably never breed, but he started the hobby for me and my female spider my Girlfriends favorite snake. Those are 2 I will never let go off and of coarse one special bee and I will have them as my showcase animals! My "Pets" but I still have the rest simply because I love the hobby!
  • 05-12-2010, 03:50 AM
    Breadbug500
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    I dont think they ever stop becoming pets for the people who are truly passionate about them. I like to think of them kinda like fish - you may have lots and not have a whole lot of interaction with them, but that doesnt make them any less of a pet.
  • 05-12-2010, 09:34 AM
    BOWSER11788
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    i agree, and with aboive, you can have 50 snakes and they still be pets, just wondering what everyone else thinks
  • 05-12-2010, 11:24 AM
    shescountry89
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Breadbug500 View Post
    I dont think they ever stop becoming pets for the people who are truly passionate about them. I like to think of them kinda like fish - you may have lots and not have a whole lot of interaction with them, but that doesnt make them any less of a pet.

    x2 :gj:
  • 05-12-2010, 01:39 PM
    Vypyrz
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    I think that the point of when snakes stop being pets is a line that each person has to define for themselves. For me 4-5 is my limit that I can regularly interact with outside of the normal feeding, cleaning, etc...
    I like to "know" my animals individual personalities and behavior. For me, any more than that would just become "snakes in a tub"...
  • 05-12-2010, 03:04 PM
    BOWSER11788
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    thanx vyprz, thats the answer i was looking for, keep em comming, my OP, was very scattered cause i had som much to say it was mouth bla!!
  • 05-12-2010, 03:38 PM
    Seru1
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    Well my snakes are my pets but in a different way then my cats.

    My cats I love to hold and cuddle and pet. And my snakes I prefer to watch and sometimes photograph.

    Snakes don't like the attention that cats do. So I try to let them be left alone. Not to say I don't hold and handle them once a week if possible but I know that there hearts desire is really for the big nasty hand to leave them alone.


    I am sorry if that didn't make any sense my pain pills are kicking in.
  • 05-12-2010, 03:46 PM
    A.VinczeBPs
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    They never stop becoming pets. Maybe they're not pets in some peoples definition, but my definition of a pet is : Something I love unconditionally, take care of, provide for, and give attention too.

    I check on my ball pythons everyday, and to me that's all the attention they need or want. Sometimes I hold them, normally the babies to get them used to being handled.

    I feed them, and love them, so they're still pets. Even the ones I sell, I miss, and still love to hear that they're doing well in another home.:)

    So maybe they're not cats or dogs, but they're most certainly my beloved pets.
  • 05-12-2010, 03:57 PM
    WingedWolfPsion
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    They all have names, and I remember which personalities go with those names, so they're still pets at over 40 animals. lol

    The geckos are a bit tougher...with some species, I CANNOT TELL THEM APART. It's hard to assign personality and name to something when you can't tell it from the one next to it. The mourning geckos are the worst. I have 3 of them, and they are all clones (parthenogenic species), so of course they look virtually the same, lol.

    Definitely more like a school of fish at that point...it's hard to say that an individual animal is a pet in such cases.
  • 05-12-2010, 04:03 PM
    mommanessy247
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    im an animal lover so IMO, either 1 or 100, they never stop being pets, though some big breeders might disagree.
  • 05-12-2010, 05:48 PM
    BOWSER11788
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    alright keep it commin and i agree Winged wolf. this in a nut shell is what i want to know

    1. if you breed is it a "fun job" but aside from breeding no contact unless needed-snakes have no name

    2, if you breed, is it somthing just to cover costs, they DO have names, get handled, and come out to chill

    3, they have seem to become just a breeding thing and money is made and its worth it..

    if that makes any since, lol
  • 05-13-2010, 12:04 AM
    jben
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    they will always be my pets reguardless of how many i have, now as for breeding, i do it as a hobby to grow my own collection, whether it be keeping, selling and or trading.
  • 05-13-2010, 12:12 AM
    A.VinczeBPs
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BOWSER11788 View Post
    alright keep it commin and i agree Winged wolf. this in a nut shell is what i want to know

    1. if you breed is it a "fun job" but aside from breeding no contact unless needed-snakes have no name

    2, if you breed, is it somthing just to cover costs, they DO have names, get handled, and come out to chill

    3, they have seem to become just a breeding thing and money is made and its worth it..

    if that makes any since, lol

    None of the above for me, none fit completely. Closest is number 1, but they all have names (it's only takes me 5sec to think of one so they have one). And they do come out to chill once in a while, but I do breed them for money, not just to cover cost. It's a fun job, that also involves my pets.

    Just because you have 100+ doesn't mean they become things that you just enjoy, and never love and handle.
  • 05-13-2010, 12:14 AM
    saber2th
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jben View Post
    they will always be my pets reguardless of how many i have, now as for breeding, i do it as a hobby to grow my own collection, whether it be keeping, selling and or trading.

    Exactly, people that have dogs or cats breed them, and no one questions them weather or not the dog or cat is a pet!
    They are pets with benefits! ;)
  • 05-13-2010, 12:15 AM
    CoolioTiffany
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    I call certain snakes my "pets" and others my "breeders".

    I did not intend to get my biggest BP girl for breeding when I first got her, so she is my breeder and my pet. The others are mostly just breeders since I'm not just owning them for the fun of owning snakes.

    The Kenyan Sand boas I get will be my breeders, not pets.

    My Dumeril's boa is my pet, but will be my breeder, but she was bought for breeding.

    It's a little bit confusing, and they are all my pets, but most of them I would just consider breeders since that is their purpose for me having them.
  • 05-13-2010, 01:03 AM
    Action Reptiles
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    I can only speak for myself as I'm not a "big breeder" but have a very exstensive collection. I consider every single animal in my collection as a pet. They are given the upmost care and all are handled on a regular basis. This includes my first dragon/BP to the ones I do breed to the babies I hatch every year. I consider them all my pets and are cared for as if I were keeping everyone of them. The only time they are no longer my pets is when they have found new homes with people that care for them as I did and are now "their pets"(and even then I still like hearing from their new owners on how they are doing). I care for all my animals and yes I breed and make money but that comes low on my list of things that are important, as the care and quality of life for the animals is #1.
    :D
  • 05-13-2010, 12:07 PM
    Jay_Bunny
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    It doesn't matter how many snakes I have or will get. All of them are my pets. Everyone has a name. Even the babies I will produce will have a name while in my care before I sell them. I only have 11 snakes (plus 2 I'm housing for a friend) but the way I feel or care about my snakes will not change no matter how many snakes I have.

    (Hope that makes sense. I literally just woke up 5 minutes ago)
  • 05-14-2010, 11:24 AM
    BOWSER11788
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    iu love the responses, and yea, there are a ton more factors to tie in except the 3 above, that was the best i could get. its good, no one has said 3. but its all good, im dyign to breed but while in school, i can't mmmm not fair
  • 05-14-2010, 11:34 AM
    Dabonus
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    I have no plans to ever make money off my snakes. I breed to produce cool animals, and I will have to sell some due to space restrictions. Now if I can get a little extra cash to help pay for rats and housing, great, but they will all, always be my pets.
  • 05-14-2010, 12:08 PM
    FatBoy
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    We fall into the catergory mentioned in the OP. We have a little over 100 BPs right now with about 60 of them being full time breeders, about a dozen grow ups, and the rest for sale. All of our breeders have names and we consder all of them pets. They are all handled once or twice a week but generally do not leave the snake room. Our biggest problem is when we have babies hatch is to remember they are for sale and not turn them into pets too.

    Someone mentioned above the people that do it for the money...There are very few breeders that have worked hard enough to build a business breeding snakes that will support their family. The majority of us do it becuase we love working with the animals and if we make enough money to break even we are tickled to death.
  • 05-14-2010, 12:35 PM
    TriniBP
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    MY BP's will never just becoming breeding, money making machines. I take much pride in having them as pets and breeding them. All offspring are part of my big ole family even after I sell them--no one is neglected in my house!:D
  • 05-14-2010, 12:52 PM
    MarkS
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    I guess it all depends on what you define as a pet. I don't put snakes in the same catagory as a companion animal like my dog or my cat. They're not as interactive as the birds, but they're more interactive then the fish and I still consider fish to be pets even though I think of them differently and interact with them differently then I do with the mammals. I think that the term 'pet' is a very broad catagory that can be defined in many different ways by many different people and none of them are wrong. Animals enrich our lives in many different ways.
  • 05-14-2010, 12:56 PM
    Tim Mead
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    Define, Pet..
    You can't take fish out and play with them and it would be against better judgement to take dart frogs out and hold them as well..
  • 05-14-2010, 01:00 PM
    Emilio
    Re: When do the stop becomming pets, breeding etc..
    Frankie hit it right on the head that's how I feel about my animals too. Everyone of mine is treated like if it were my one and only. I breed to produce the stuff I love.
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