please help. mouse attacked snale graphic pics HELP

, at work today, and somone brought in a bp, an wanted me to kill it, well i lokked at it and from the god-awful bite, bone exposed, pics at bottem, he seems fine, roams around, of course being stressed, but seems in no pain, as im broke vet, is no option( dont say i shouldn't have resuced if i cant afford vet, as it is better than him dead) anyway what do i do, get this, the great chain store, told him to get a 40 breeder, so this poor thing has been in a 40 breeder with a tree and a half log, , do got him a tub, uth, hide, and all but, will he grow back and what can i do to help...

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Given the extent sadly vet is the ONLY option, the animal will either need to be put down or treated, there is no other way around it.

how would one treat, it, even a vet.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what to say. I'll give my honest opinion though and if you can't get him medical attention in anyway, deceased is sometimes the better option.

See if you can't take him into a rescue or something. That's awful.

I'm glad you rescued him, but he will not be able to live long like this, euthanization would be the best choice if veterinary assistance is not an option.

i look online for rep rescure

how do euthininze, without strait killing

A vet is most likely going to reccomend euthanizing it, with exposed bone of it's spine, I'm not sure anything could help. It would require surgery to repair all of that, extensive antibiotics, etc. I myself would euthanize it.

how do i correctly do it, no chopping or anything.

Oh my god.. That poor snake MUST see a vet. That is a very large area of exposed spine. You can not treat it yourself. Things like neosporin, bactracin, etc, are not supposed to be put on large open wounds. It also would need antibiotics. That wound will cause constant severe dehydration. It will cause the snake to not eat for a very long time. The truth is, the amount of pain and stress this is causing is not worth it. There is not even any guarantee that all that skin could ever grow back. IMO the best thing would be to put it down.

If you cannot visit a vet, or have the necessary funds to do so, I'd say by all means either chop the head off, Co2 it or freeze it.

That animal is suffering every second of the rest of its miserable life.

just my 0,02 cents, I would have slammed my door and drove like a madman to a vet, any given vet in my area.

alright i get it, put donw, how do i correctly do it, a freezer, i heard they dont feel cold/hot like we do, so any help

That snake just needs to be euthanized.

I know many people euthanize via freezer, but I would just take it to the vet and have them put it down.

:( That is so sad.

You can chop his head off... it's the quickest and easiest way ;(

THAT is exactly why you never leave live food unattended with a snake.

Poor thing, it must be suffering so badly. Most vets will euthanize an animal that isn't yours without charging you an arm and a leg.

Gale

yea, I figured that.. didn't wanna do it while gf was around but i dont want it to suffer/

If you dont have access to the proper gas or injection the only other humane way is cold. Some people will put it directly in the freezer but I would not. A better way is to put it in the fridge until all movement stops. Then the freezer. This prevents the pain from the blood freezing while the snake is still alive. In this way the snakes body will shut down from the cold before it is frozen.

It really is better if you call a vet and ask for a discount to have it put down though. There is no harm in asking.

I would say you should definitely NOT chop his head off or use CO2. Snakes can live a long time without their heads (compared to mammals) and its a terrifying, hellish experience for them. The snake's metabolism is so slow that CO2 (or injected drugs for that matter) would just cause a very long, painful and scary passing. I'd say that a freezer is your best option. That way his brain will go into a dormant state before anything painful starts to happen in his body, it will also make the pain of the wound go away the fastest. (People have said that the ice crystals forming in his cells would be painful, but that just isn't true. A snake would be dead long before any area of its body got to 32 degrees.) I'm so sorry that you had to deal with this. Good luck :-(

I agree to put it down.

Do you know who this guy was? I would report him! Thats animal cruelty? Come on now :/ I wouldn't mind feeding him to some animals

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I would say you should definitely NOT chop his head off or use CO2. Snakes can live a long time without their heads (compared to mammals) and its a terrifying, hellish experience for them.

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Just out of curiousity, is this scientifically proven? From a biological view, severing ones brain from the body leaves only muscle contractions and no more nerve-ending stimuly. Hence 'no more pain' or at least a realisation of pain.

I am not a major in biology or anything like that, nor is english my main language, but this is just my understanding of that situation.

greetings from across the pond,

Yaron

Hello,
OK, so this is not an easy judgment call.. Your facts are that the baby has some BAD wounds, he's probably in some pain. But he may just be able to make it through it. If he/she can, it will be a long road to a full recovery.
I would want to give him a chance. You need to start (soon) by cleaning off any and all debris. Looks like there are some small bits of wood shavings stuck on the flesh. I would use a sterile rinse and a syringe to clean off anything. You can go to Wlagreens or any other pharmacy type store and get sterile syringes and a wrinse. They'll give you the syringes at the pharmacy counter, and then ask for them to point out the best wash. Keeping in mind (and mention to them) that petroleum products are very bad for reptiles. I've had to use the pharmacists advice for many things.
gently wrinse all debris from him and pick off all the large pieces.
once the areas are clean you need to dry it off good, don't wipe it with anything, just blow on or fan the area until it's dry.
Keep him in a tub with paper towel. Just a single layer. If he goes under it and it sticks to the back then just remove the paper towel. You don't want anything on the open wounds.
I would use Betadine (sp) as a disinfectant. Soak it up on a q-tip and GENTLY rub it over the whole area. Iodine is too strong for a huge open wound like this, it can burn the tissue and cause more damage/pain and prolong healing.
(Explain what happened to the pharmacist and ask for their advice, explain that you're trying to save it's life and they should start brainstorming for you.)
Keep it dry and wrinse it ligtly with the sterile wash no more than once a week. Dry is key, if an anaerobic infection sets in because it's wet, then he's good as done for. And then just use the betadine about every 3 days.
This is all I can really think of right this second. The wounds should dry up and start to heal (a little) in about a week. He'll have some nasty scars, but if you can keep it clean, he should make it. Most animals are pretty resiliant. I'd say he deserves a chance. Wish I was there to help...
you can email me if you'd like and I'll offer any other advice I can. Kind of having a mental block right now... those pics are pretty bad... I really hope this helps at all. Please let me know.
I can't think of what antibiotics would be best for something like this. But I will ask around and let you know.

Take it to the vet and get it put down. I don't think it would cost much. At least call and find out.

Not sure what happend with my spelling... there's a couple good ones in there. Just ignore that... Sorry

Bowser, if you don't have the money to get extensive vet care the best option is to put it in a snake bag and put it in the freezer. That may be the worst injury I have ever seen on a BP. Sorry for the snake....ALWAYS SUPERVISE LIVE FEEDINGS!!! That prey was left in with that snake for a while!!!

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Originally Posted by Ntume

If you cannot visit a vet, or have the necessary funds to do so, I'd say by all means either chop the head off, Co2 it or freeze it.

That animal is suffering every second of the rest of its miserable life.

just my 0,02 cents, I would have slammed my door and drove like a madman to a vet, any given vet in my area.

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YOU DO NOT FREEZE REPTILES TO DEAD!! THIS WILL TAKE SEVERAL HOURS. I HAVE HEARD THIS IDEA BEFORE BUT IT IS REALLY NOT THE WAY..

But chopping the head of is also my advice - though I love snakes. If you can't do it let someone else do it. Fast! Keeping it alive is kind of selfish..

I agree that the snake is in very bad shape. I could not chop a snakes head off, so what I would do is first turn off his heat, then put him in a cool space, then in the fridge then the freezer.
I have never had to deal with such a large wound but I have brought back snakes from being very badly abused and neglected. The biggest problem you are going to have is him eating. With that large of wound if he constricts it will break open anything that has healed. There is a liquid bandage out on the market that might help after you get the wound cleaned.
What ever you decide good luck.

If you use a betadine solution to rinse the wound, make sure it is diluted with sterile water.

That is horredous, I agree that snake needs to be PTS, a euth done by a vet will probably be under $100, scrape it up or chop his head off or freeze it or something. I have never seen such a terrible injury on a snake before, I don't think his chances of survival are good even with vet care, just put him out of his misery and if you see his owner again give him a punch in the face.

I honestly would not have taken him if I were you. I would have said go find a vet to put him down, because there really is not much you can do for him if you are Broke and too scared to put him down by chopping the head off ( And distroying the brain in the same blow)

There is a point where you are rescueing something, or just putting it into another situation.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

If you dont have access to the proper gas or injection the only other humane way is cold. Some people will put it directly in the freezer but I would not. A better way is to put it in the fridge until all movement stops. Then the freezer. This prevents the pain from the blood freezing while the snake is still alive. In this way the snakes body will shut down from the cold before it is frozen.

It really is better if you call a vet and ask for a discount to have it put down though. There is no harm in asking.

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what she said^^^^^this is how i put mine down as well.

well, after the last post i wrote, i did it with a rock and well, you get the rest, also to one of the above, post, its not the guys, fault he did what many have done and listened to a chainstore, i needn't metion the name cause you get 2 chances to get it right, also somone said i shouldn't have taken it, sorry but if i didn't and could have survived god, help it in his setup, also to let people know it WAS NOT my snake, i may not be an expert but this never would of happened in my care, thanx guys and gals, theses photos should be stickied to show what can happen with UNSUPERVISED feedings. poor snake, RIP no-name

Wow, I'm so sorry that this happened at all. I'm sorry the snake had to go through that, and I'm sorry that you were put in this situation! I am glad that the poor thing is finally at peace though.

RIP, little guy.

thanx man, every where i go and i hear people keeping snakes, I friendly evade and ask how the feed, where i work alot of people are reptile peoples, i kinda feel like a missionary for proper reptile care, lol

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Put it down!

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Originally Posted by greghall

Put it down!

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Already has

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Oh my god.. That poor snake MUST see a vet. That is a very large area of exposed spine. You can not treat it yourself. Things like neosporin, bactracin, etc, are not supposed to be put on large open wounds. It also would need antibiotics. That wound will cause constant severe dehydration. It will cause the snake to not eat for a very long time. The truth is, the amount of pain and stress this is causing is not worth it. There is not even any guarantee that all that skin could ever grow back. IMO the best thing would be to put it down.

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Enough said:please: put that Bp down A.S.A.P.:(

Poor little guy. You did the right thing, though. :(

I agree that either severing the spinal cord or... bludgeoning, like you did, provided it was uber quick, is the best way to go. Any injections, gassing, or freezing is way too prolonged. Their metabolisms are simply too slow. It sounds barbaric, to have to put something down that way, but unless it's a mammal, I say it's the best.

RIP, little No-Name.

You did it with a rock?

No offense, but could you be any less professional and cruel about it?

Excuse me? Rock or hammer, destroying the brain is the fastest and thus the least cruel way you can kill something. Pithing is considered one of the humane ways to kill, which is destroying the brain by inserting a spike into the brain and scrambling it. Destroying the brain with a humane bolt gun, or anything that destroys the brain is best.

Brutal? Yes. But not cruel. Ugly and messy maybe, but it gets the job done, which is to kill the animal as quickly as possible.

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You did it with a rock?

No offense, but could you be any less professional and cruel about it?

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Well hopefully it was very large and heavy rock. Like a boulder. Its a gruesome thought but at least the snake is not going to suffer anymore.

Man, I feel bad that you got put in that situation, and Ihope that the people who let that happen to their snake feel bad every time they look at their empty tank. I do the same thing when I come across other snake owners. I ask what kind of set-up they are using, feeding, etc... I tell them about this forum and a couple others, hoping they will join and see what they may be doing wrong. The fact is, it seems alot people believe they are doing it right because the pet store told them a certain way and they don't want to be told anything different, and alot of times, it's the animals that pay for their stubborn ignorance...

RIP little guy... :(

im not a professional snake killer, but one hit, is all it took, do you want details and splatter distand, not to be an arse, but it was quick swift and metally not a walk in the park we have an emergancy vet, not specializing in herps but a vet, called and told the situation, on 65:00 to put it down, now if it was less than 200, to make it well.... well i could swing that and not have gas for a while. but the vet told me the same thing here, it would be almost impossble for it to make a full recovery, it wasn't a herp specialist but the work on normal problems, RIs, and smaller stuff, but with all the advice here. im not rich and im not poor, but im no gonna pay half 100 bucks to do what i can do..

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

You did it with a rock?

No offense, but could you be any less professional and cruel about it?

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I'm not a snake, but I'll take blunt trauma to the head over freezing anyday. May not sound classy but I bet it was quick.

Unsupervised feeding that results in any injuries really agitates me. When I explain to non-snake owners that if the snake doesn't eat the rat then the rat will eat the snake they just look at me confused. They just picture BPs as unstoppable killing machines and can't fathom BP's needing to be protected against rats.

I will be saving these pictures and will be showing them as examples to any 1st time snake owners buying one of my BPs.

Sucks you had to take the responsibility for it in that shape though. I applaud you for wanting to do right by the snake and it sucks there was little to no chance of recovery for the little guy.

agent, please take the pics, print them or whatever, i want everyone to see it, though not to stand up for owner, but the mice i put in my tubs, seem to minless wonder or chew on the paper substrate, till snake gets it, the way the onwer describe the mouse plunged and attack it after a while of being in cage.

I'm so sorry for your loss, but this shows you should always monitor your snake when feeding live. I wish you and your snake the best of luck, but at that point it looks like a vet trip, I dont think a vet would be able to fix that though, im sorry.

-Payson

OMG you killed it! Reptiles can heal from wounds way worse! Turtles get legs bitten off all the time! Snakes lose eyes too!

Rhyno47, do you have any pics of snakes with exposed spines that healed up fine? I'd be interested in seeing that. Limbs off turtles or eye removal is way different than half the length of the snake eaten down to the spine.

Still down to bone. Plus the snake can go a long time without eating as it hides and the damage covers up, unlike a turtle.