I move to have all her threads removed...

"Arsinoe" has been nothing but a trouble maker here. just about EVERY SINGLE ONE of her threads was intended purely to cause a stir here. We don't need stuff like this. We've all already been enturbulated by the comments and topics she's posted about. Why let a new person, who should see nothing but a friendly,welcoming place for people who love snakes be enturbulated as well?

I'd prefer that others could learn from her mistakes. Her run here was short and her threads will fall by the wayside soon enough. We don't generally delete threads like that from banned members.

She has already been banned. Eventaully the threads will fall off the first page and be forgotten. I see no need to go and censor things.

Plus, it is nice to be able to see exactly WHY someone got banned.

Although I preech freedom of speech quite often, I do agree. Get her out of here. Shes annoying, childish, and just plain annoying. Oops said that twice.

Honestly it doesn't bother me. I know that she is a little rough around the edges, but every one's view on pet care is different. I don't mind tubs, I just like display cages better for their looks, but some people just think that it is cruel. To each his own I guess.

I find the posts interesting and entertaining. Hahahahahha some people....

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YouTube - She's a witch!


I think her posts are honestly great for comedy sake. But I can see the nice OP lady's point to.

The other side of it is that many members here took the time to write their feelings and responses. It would not be fair to them to make everything disappear. Quite a few members made some very valid points and they should be there for others to see.
There have been more banned members here than you can shake a stick at and their posts are all still around. You just don't see them because they have fallen far back in the timeline as hers will.

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Originally Posted by waltah!

The other side of it is that many members here took the time to write their feelings and responses. It would not be fair to them to make everything disappear. Quite a few members made some very valid points and they should be there for others to see.
There have been more banned members here than you can shake a stick at and their posts are all still around. You just don't see them because they have fallen far back in the timeline as hers will.

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I agree completely. Getting rid of them just because one member was being a nuisance is not worth it. There is tons of great info and opinions in those threads!

Wow...I must have missed something...? Arsinoe?

Got a number on how many banned users you guys do have :D

I simply ignore those who aggravate me; however, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. From what I understand, the big issue with her is she's against tub/rack use and that's fine by me. We all have our own opinions.

That being said, I hold no creed with an uneducated opinion. I simply choose to read it or not, and move on with the day. If the admin believe her advice or opinion is harmful, I think they'll probably remove it. From what I can tell, it is obvious that she/he hasn't done research into the matter and is simply close minded by choice or by ignorance.

Either way, in all honesty, I believe she is a troll and out for nothing but attention and to upset people on this forum. Simple solution; ignore it.

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YouTube - She's a witch!


I think her posts are honestly great for comedy sake. But I can see the nice OP lady's point to.

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so I sat here and watched that video hoping to see a hanging, and there wasnt even a hanging. I vote to remove all posts by seru1!!

I think it's a good example of how not to share your opinions. If she had come here with an open mind and a better attitude, things would have been very different. As childish and obnoxious and rude as she was, I think it's a good "you catch more flies with honey" lesson.

Edit: She wasn't banned because of her opinions, she was banned because she made a fake user, "reptis"

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I think her posts are honestly great for comedy sake. But I can see the nice OP lady's point to.

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Oh Seru.....you make me laugh!!:rofl:

This is why she was banned:
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...hreadid=118070

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so I sat here and watched that video hoping to see a hanging, and there wasnt even a hanging. I vote to remove all posts by seru1!!

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Here here to heck with that guy! I hates him the most. If I was driving a bus and saw him, I'd set it on fire and hit him with it.

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Oh Seru.....you make me laugh!!:rofl:

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Thank you :throws roses: I'll be here all week don't forget to tip your waiters. Just make sure to help them back up after.

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Originally Posted by waltah!

The other side of it is that many members here took the time to write their feelings and responses. It would not be fair to them to make everything disappear. Quite a few members made some very valid points and they should be there for others to see.
There have been more banned members here than you can shake a stick at and their posts are all still around. You just don't see them because they have fallen far back in the timeline as hers will.

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That is an EXCELLENT point Walt! I had not even considered that. I would not want valuable forum members to not have their voices heard. Also it is also a valid viewpoint in the fact that new guys can see that this person was banned, and observe how not to behave.

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This is why she was banned:
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...hreadid=118070

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LMFAO

Everyone fell for the old banana in the tailpipe trick. :colbert:

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LMFAO

Everyone fell for the old banana in the tailpipe trick. :colbert:

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Not everyone;)

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This is why she was banned:
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...hreadid=118070

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I believe that is just the final straw, was her making the second trolling account to justify and support her own posts.
But she was already under the reptile dysfunction category before that happened. She was well on her way out of here, it seemed.

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I simply ignore those who aggravate me; however, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. From what I understand, the big issue with her is she's against tub/rack use and that's fine by me. We all have our own opinions.

That being said, I hold no creed with an uneducated opinion. I simply choose to read it or not, and move on with the day. If the admin believe her advice or opinion is harmful, I think they'll probably remove it. From what I can tell, it is obvious that she/he hasn't done research into the matter and is simply close minded by choice or by ignorance.

Either way, in all honesty, I believe she is a troll and out for nothing but attention and to upset people on this forum. Simple solution; ignore it.

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That is not why she really honestly upset me. And trolls generally don't upset me. The tub thing was a whatever in my mind until she started reverberating specific religious beliefs and forcing them on others... many beliefs that I share and make the background look rather terrible for any others who share such opinions.
She was the definition of a troll, really. She would make a new thread to specifically nitpick at most of the members on here to start an enraged argument, and she'd rarely respond or continue it.

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Wow...I must have missed something...? Arsinoe?

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You have missed quite a bit.



Sorry, she got me worked up a little bit back there. :(
I found it a little upsetting when I saw a few members use her religion and beliefs against her in an insult.. which actually insulted me as well even if it was aimed at her. She was just putting out another bad name and making the religion look bad.

I should've seen it coming :rolleyes: It definitely smelled a little fishy once I realized "he" was only posting on her threads, but then I'd already welcomed "him"... Ah well. :stupidme:

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Sorry, she got me worked up a little bit back there. :(
I found it a little upsetting when I saw a few members use her religion and beliefs against her in an insult.. which actually insulted me as well even if it was aimed at her. She was just putting out another bad name and making the religion look bad.

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..THIS is why I posted this thread and poll. True, while she was already on her way out already, she insulted quite a few members on various topics. Who, but a Troll, would come on a SNAKE forum, and start waving all these religious flags?:colbert: Religion is a touchy subject, and you just don't start sayin a bunch of stuff about other's religions like that! You just don't! And criticising how the majority of keepers care for their snakes, and invalidate them like she did?! OMG.I have only been on this forum for about 4 years, but I have never ever seen anything quite like her. wow. is all I can say.

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..THIS is why I posted this thread and poll. True, while she was already on her way out already, she insulted quite a few members on various topics. Who, but a Troll, would come on a SNAKE forum, and start waving all these religious flags?:colbert: Religion is a touchy subject, and you just don't start sayin a bunch of stuff about other's religions like that! You just don't! I have only been on this forum for about 4 years, but I have never ever seen anything quite like her. wow. is all I can say.

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Exactly!
Not only did she insult others' religions, but due to all her negative commentary and bad attitude and her clear stance on her own religion and belief, she made THAT religion look bad for those of us who share it!

That's the reason I said yes.

That's why posts regarding religion get sent to QT. New members or members who choose to can avoid threads like that. Religion will always be a touchy subject, especially on an internet forum of this size. The staff here tries really hard not to let it get out of hand.

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That's why posts regarding religion get sent to QT. New members or members who choose to can avoid threads like that. Religion will always be a touchy subject, especially on an internet forum of this size. The staff here tries really hard not to let it get out of hand.

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..I know.. :rolleyes: and you guys do fab job of it too, PB! :P That's what makes this place so great...so great in fact, it's 12:49 am here, I have to get up at 6:20 am, and I'm still on! ;)

In all honesty, I felt she put a negative look towards tubs and I didn't want other users or guests reading that and thinking that tubs are actually bad. We all want Ball pythons or any species of snake or reptile to be as healthy as it can get so putting tubs down like she did wasn't OK in my opinion.

I've been here only for some odd months to almost a year and I honestly don't get offended too much on people's post but she was something else. Only about 2-3 people on the site has ever really gotten on my nerves, and I think that isn't too bad for a forum filled with tons of users. Many of them are actually pretty kind though.

Getting off topic, but I felt like her posts and threads were offending. I did not see the threads about the religion part, but I would most likely agree that would get on my nerves as well. Just the whole habitat vs tub thing got on my nerves because of the reason I had said before.

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In all honesty, I felt she put a negative look towards tubs and I didn't want other users or guests reading that and thinking that tubs are actually bad. We all want Ball pythons or any species of snake or reptile to be as healthy as it can get so putting tubs down like she did wasn't OK in my opinion.

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Yes but all of the info posted in those threads aside from her initial post explain how tubs actually work out very well.

Actually, since those threads have been posted, I have seen a lot more people thinking about switching to tubs after so many people praising them on her threads.

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Yes but all of the info posted in those threads aside from her initial post explain how tubs actually work out very well.

Actually, since those threads have been posted, I have seen a lot more people thinking about switching to tubs after so many people praising them on her threads.

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I'm glad about that actually:D

I was just saying that when she was posting all of those threads about it, it got on my nerves. But I am glad to see people switching to tubs, even though they don't look as nice as a tank would:)

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I'm glad about that actually:D

I was just saying that when she was posting all of those threads about it, it got on my nerves. But I am glad to see people switching to tubs, even though they don't look as nice as a tank would:)

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Yeah. I was annoyed too but hey, its the internet. Don't let it get under your skin!

It is nice to see more people on the tub front. I save the nice displays for animals that will make a little more use of it, like my BRB. Then again, I only see her out and about when I turn the lights out, and then I can't really see anything....LOL!

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Yeah. I was annoyed too but hey, its the internet. Don't let it get under your skin!

It is nice to see more people on the tub front. I save the nice displays for animals that will make a little more use of it, like my BRB. Then again, I only see her out and about when I turn the lights out, and then I can't really see anything....LOL!

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I think displays are nice for the ones that do make use of it, like your BRB or my Kingsnake. My Kingsnake is always out and about all day long so a tank would be good for people to see him and it gives him a bit more light. In fact he's wandering around right now. I guess that's how he keeps a good body weight:D

I guess I can remove her from my "Ignore" list...

She was a koo koo bird and clearly too much time on her hands. She never upset me...or made me mad.....I just thought she was ridiculous...actually totally humorous as she was sooooooooooo ridiculous.

You almost have to look at ppl like that and feel sorry for them as they clearly do not have a life outside of trying to spark things up on an internet forum. :weirdface

You gained points for use of the word "enturbulating."

But then you lost them again by putting it in quotations. lol. And by using a word coined by L Ron Hubbard;)

As troublesome as her attitude was, I think it's fine to leave the posts. They brought up some good points, though unfortunately in a negative way.

I don't think being "annoying" is a good excuse to remove someone.

I mean if that was the case, NO ONE would have kids. Everything and everyone has their good and bad sides.

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I don't think being "annoying" is a good excuse to remove someone.

I mean if that was the case, NO ONE would have kids. Everything and everyone has their good and bad sides.

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You may know this already but she was not banned for annoying behavior, but violations of the TOS

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You may know this already but she was not banned for annoying behavior, but violations of the TOS

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Thanks, but I was referring more to her posts rather than her.

I dont think the crying and complaining ever ends on this board. Seriously.


I never been to a board where this happens so much. I have been a forum poster since the last 10 years ranging from Reptile, Sports, and Graphics forums.

I support freedom of speech.

We must remember that snake keepers are a minority as well, often with unpopular views.

A great man once said,

"He who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool, and he who takes offense when offense is intended is a greater fool."

I haven't been on here too much lately and totally missed all of this. I just went back and read a lot of these threads. I think they are golden.

There is a huge amount of info and knowledge in those threads. They are an awesome collection of the wisdom of this community and I think it is great that we have these threads to document that. Not only should they not be taken down, they should be used as examples for people who don't understand why we do things the way we do them, and insist on arguing their misinformed or just plain wrong points.

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I support freedom of speech.

We must remember that snake keepers are a minority as well, often with unpopular views.

A great man once said,

"He who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool, and he who takes offense when offense is intended is a greater fool."

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I believe in freedom of speech, but I'm not going to let random people I don't like walk into my home and start proselytizing.

I'm glad that bp.net lets me participate here, but it's their house, their rules. This isn't a public place, it's a privately operated forum.

Also, in regards to the person this thread is about: Who?

She got banned! :8: That's awesome :P

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I think her posts are honestly great for comedy sake. But I can see the nice OP lady's point to.

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LOOLOOLOL OMG!!! AHAHAHHAHA!! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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The other side of it is that many members here took the time to write their feelings and responses. It would not be fair to them to make everything disappear. Quite a few members made some very valid points and they should be there for others to see.
There have been more banned members here than you can shake a stick at and their posts are all still around. You just don't see them because they have fallen far back in the timeline as hers will.

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Despite the fact that the one starting all those threads was obviously misguided and ill-informed on more than a few topics, it's good to see so many informative posts from everyone else and those will undoubtedly help others who are still new to keeping reptiles. I think it would be best to keep the threads, overlook the ridiculousness of some of the discussions, and be thankful for so many knowledgeable keepers here on BP.net to draw information and experience from.

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I'm glad that bp.net lets me participate here, but it's their house, their rules. This isn't a public place, it's a privately operated forum.

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Doesn't sound like you do actually believe in freedom of speech. You are right, bp.net does not have to leave the posts on, and I don't believe they should just let anything go around here, especially if terms of usage have been violated.

Lets just be clear here though, as has been stated several times, her "violation" was that her opinion was different from most of us. She's just a minority, and unless her posts break those rules we need to be careful that we are not deleting things because they are not aligning with our own thoughts.

I think that you will agree that this can be reflected in many parts of our lives.
If we cannot show tolerance here, where can we show it?

Hi,

Just to clear up some points raised in the last post.

Her "violation" was creating a second account ( she's up to 4 now by the way ) expressly for the purpose of continuing to troll the site.

We do not ban people simply for having differing opinions.

If her behavior on other forums hadn't clearly shown a pattern of trolling and she had stayed within the rules of this site she would still be here. Of course she may have had a reputation lower than we have previously seen. :rolleyes:

We also rarely delete anything that does not break the rules of the site either.

We do move some discussions to the quarantine room and anything that falls outwith the family friendly guidelines will be removed - but that's generally it.


dr del

Yes, thank you for that dr. I agree with the decisions made by the site.

I should not have used the word "violation", which is used to describe a breach of the terms of use. Really, it should have been more specific as the offence for which the OP is being accused, not by the site itself, but by some forum members who wish to delete her opinions from the site.

While I am posting, How do I go about asking a question about the quarantine room without going off topic in this thread?

Hi,

You can either conatact any member of staff via PM or put up a thread in the site info forum. :)


dr del

Really Derek? 4 different accounts?? Thats crazy! It really shows she isnt very intelligent either. Unless she has dial up and thinks her IP address is going to randomly change every time. Why would someone continue to make accounts from the same PC? I agree that it sounds like someone who was purely out for their own adgenda. Whatever that is I haven't figured out yet. Religion? Animal rights? If so then why does she have a snake? Someone said she may be someone with PTA or HSUS. If that were true she may have stolen photos and marketed them as her own.

Totally bad news either way. I just don't understand people like that. Ive also wondered if it is just a very bored person who sits on the net and does these things for personal entertainment. :colbert:

love the Holy Grail thingy!