Selling You Snake Short

I see that some here are so hepped up on science and all, concerning snakes that they rule out the SPIRIT/SOUL of the creature. A body is just a vehicle for that soul. As with humans, animals have a soul and the do feel. Despite those who chose to believe such non sense and relegate them to a living automatons that doesn't feel, and only reacts to stimulation and primorial needs

Is that fair to believe that?

In my opinion that kind of belief is just as ignorant and destructive as those who believe snakes are evil and devils and such.

i hear ya. my mom is one of those people that believes snakes are evil (just because the devil disguised himself as a snake in the bible). i TOTALLY disagree with that way of thinking. if the devil had disguised himself as a cute little bunny rabbit she'd probly think those are evil too. she's...well...she's just something else.[shakes head & rolls eyes]

Wait, snakes have souls?

You are entitled to your opinion on whether animals/snakes have souls or not. Since it cannot be proven to exist, it's always going to be just an opinion however.

People that believe that animals have souls exactly like a human tend to drift down the road to the "animals should have the same rights as humans" road evenually though. Not everyone does.. but it's a tendancy I've seen.

So then you have to decide.. do animals have lesser souls? Is it possible to have a lesser soul? Is a lesser soul less able to be a "person"?

All of the above is moot to me, I'm not certain people have souls, less certain animals would be burdened with such. First, you'd have to define "soul" and it's purpose.

Souls? No. But then again I don't believe that humans have souls, either.

A lack of a magic mysterious "soul" doesn't rule out sentience, though.

I believe that ALL living things have a soul. Does that mean every soul can feel pain or feel emotion, no. Does it mean they are any less of a soul, no. But it does mean that we should strive to respect all living things and treat them with care.

You believe what you want to believe, but I will always believe what I want to believe. This is what I believe....

Snakes have souls
Snakes do not feel or display emotions
Snakes TOLERATE handling. They do not seek it out.
Snakes can get used to a specific person but that does not mean they actually like or love that person.
Snakes are to be treated with care and respect

And that is really all I have to say in the matter without going deep into my spiritual and religious beliefs.

Maybe it's becoming more clear. Arsinoe, do you use snakes in a religious manner?

This is not a valid argument against tubs, because I'm 99% positive that's what this is about. Whether or not snakes have souls, they need to be treated with respect. This includes meeting their needs as best we can. Reading through some of your other posts, I saw that you had shedding trouble a while back, and saw a picture of your setup. You should know that unless you make major changes to that "habitat," your snake is going to have bad sheds, just like that one.

Are we finished with this yet?

Personally I'm to busy trying to produce great looking, healthy animals for others to enjoy to worry about whether they have a soul or not. If that offends anyone that I'm not concerned with such thing then I'm sorry. I'll leave that kind of speculation to someone with far more time on their hands than I have.

Just my two cents

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I believe that ALL living things have a soul. Does that mean every soul can feel pain or feel emotion, no. Does it mean they are any less of a soul, no. But it does mean that we should strive to respect all living things and treat them with care.

You believe what you want to believe, but I will always believe what I want to believe. This is what I believe....

Snakes have souls
Snakes do not feel or display emotions
Snakes TOLERATE handling. They do not seek it out.
Snakes can get used to a specific person but that does not mean they actually like or love that person.
Snakes are to be treated with care and respect

And that is really all I have to say in the matter without going deep into my spiritual and religious beliefs.

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

Of course they don't have soles... they don't have feet!

Wait, you said souls... nevermind.

I can see what you're saying if you believe in souls, but following your logic how do you deal with your snake's food? Rats and mice should all have souls, but do you give consideration to their feelings and emotions? Or do you just breed them and use them as food? Do you try to make their life on earth as happy and pleasant as possible before you kill them off? Do you try to bond with them and give them all the love and attention you give your snakes?

And how far does this soul searching go? Do lower life forms have souls as well? Flies and mosquitoes? Yeast and yogurt bacteria? How much respect should I give to the souls of all life forms, or should I just appreciate them for what they are and enjoy them as I see fit?

BTW Arsinoe, I have no idea why you're getting so many negative rep hits. I LOVE your posts. Even though they're very troll-like, I find them extremely entertaining. :gj:

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Of course they don't have soles... they don't have feet!

Wait, you said souls... nevermind.

I can see what you're saying if you believe in souls, but following your logic how do you deal with your snake's food? Rats and mice should all have souls, but do you give consideration to their feelings and emotions? Or do you just breed them and use them as food? Do you try to make their life on earth as happy and pleasant as possible before you kill them off? Do you try to bond with them and give them all the love and attention you give your snakes?

And how far does this soul searching go? Do lower life forms have souls as well? Flies and mosquitoes? Yeast and yogurt bacteria? How much respect should I give to the souls of all life forms, or should I just appreciate them for what they are and enjoy them as I see fit?

BTW Arsinoe, I have no idea why you're getting so many negative rep hits. I LOVE your posts. Even though they're very troll-like, I find them extremely entertaining. :gj:

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you got to the point of mice and rats right before i did...

just like humans, snakes have no soul. that is a biased man made subjective delusion. snakes are also not self aware.

science is the measurable. the supernatural is a delusion based on biases and fallible, feeble human mind.

I don't even believe in souls for people.

I do however feel everything that has the right to live. Snake may not feel emotions, but they should be cared for and respected.

My belief could follow Jay_Bunny in terms of how I feel except the souls part.:)

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

Snakes do not feel or display emotions
Snakes TOLERATE handling. They do not seek it out.
Snakes can get used to a specific person but that does not mean they actually like or love that person.
Snakes are to be treated with care and respect

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Originally Posted by xdeus

I can see what you're saying if you believe in souls, but following your logic how do you deal with your snake's food? Rats and mice should all have souls, but do you give consideration to their feelings and emotions? Or do you just breed them and use them as food? Do you try to make their life on earth as happy and pleasant as possible before you kill them off? Do you try to bond with them and give them all the love and attention you give your snakes?

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For the record I don't believe in souls. That being said, all life should be treated with respect. Toward that end I do try and make my rodents as happy and pleasant as possible before feeding them off. Whats wrong with that? It takes relatively little effort on my part and its the price I pay to keep a snake in my life. I do not try to bond with them but my partner does and many of my friends do. I explain to her and them that they should try not to get too attached as they are going to be fed off regardless of that bond. Death is part of life. I kill every mosquito that lands on me but I still respect them. I would not want to see them driven from the face of the earth. I care too much about all of the animals that depend on them for food. I also don't want to be covered in bug bites. Its a balance.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

For the record I don't believe in souls. That being said, all life should be treated with respect. Toward that end I do try and make my rodents as happy and pleasant as possible before feeding them off. Whats wrong with that?

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There's nothing wrong with that, and I totally agree. However, most of us breed rats and mice for food. We cut their lives short and are using them as needed. I'm sure my feeder rodents have a much less "enjoyable" life as do their peers that are used as pets. I don't cuddle or bond with them, but I do provide them with plenty of fresh food, water, and a clean home.

My original point was that Arsinoe claimed that most of the people here don't appreciate our snakes because they have souls and feelings. We keep them in small tupperware boxes and don't think about how they feel to live in such appalling conditions. I was just pointing out that her feeder rodents probably aren't living in the best conditions that they could and aren't going to live as wonderful a life that she seems to want for her snakes that have souls.

wait ... Humans have souls? Thats new to me ..............

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Originally Posted by xdeus

There's nothing wrong with that, and I totally agree. However, most of us breed rats and mice for food. We cut their lives short and are using them as needed. I'm sure my feeder rodents have a much less "enjoyable" life as do their peers that are used as pets. I don't cuddle or bond with them, but I do provide them with plenty of fresh food, water, and a clean home.

My original point was that Arsinoe claimed that most of the people here don't appreciate our snakes because they have souls and feelings. We keep them in small tupperware boxes and don't think about how they feel to live in such appalling conditions. I was just pointing out that her feeder rodents probably aren't living in the best conditions that they could and aren't going to live as wonderful a life that she seems to want for her snakes that have souls.

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Agreed. One extra point. Your feeders may have a much less "enjoyable" life when compared to pet mice but your job isn't to find every animal and treat them like Royalty. Your job is to not make things worse. My point is that my feeders have a much better life than the average wild rodent. Wild rodents on average do not live to adult hood. Before anyone disagrees with me. Do the math. All of my rodents live to adult hood or die of natural causes. If I were to kill them before they reach adult age it would be humanly not of disease or starvation.

This should not be in general bp. It is a very poorly founded argument about deity and ultimately does not actually relate to snakes at all.

I believe in souls, but I don't think you are about to win any converts Arsinoe, and I certainly do not agree with your methods.

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Originally Posted by Arsinoe

I see that some here are so hepped up on science and all, concerning snakes that they rule out the SPIRIT/SOUL of the creature. A body is just a vehicle for that soul. As with humans, animals have a soul and the do feel. Despite those who chose to believe such non sense and relegate them to a living automatons that doesn't feel, and only reacts to stimulation and primorial needs

Is that fair to believe that?

In my opinion that kind of belief is just as ignorant and destructive as those who believe snakes are evil and devils and such.

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I don't believe in "souls".

It's fair to believe that snakes don't feel, because that's the way things are. When I first got into snakes, it was hard for me to accept after years of owning parrots and cats and dogs (oh my! :P), because they all get so attached to you and you to them. Believe me, once you accept the fact that your snakes are basically on "auto pilot" it becomes a whole lot easier to understand and respect their needs.

It has been proven that snakes do not have the intellectual capacity to experience emotions as we do. Their limbic system - the part of the brain that registers emotions - is very, very basic. I'm sure that they have felt fear, and more of the baser emotions that stem from instinct, but if you are implying that snakes are capable of love, joy, sorrow, or anger then you are unfortunately wrong. As much as I'm sure we'd all like our snakes to love us as our dogs do, the fact is they don't nor will they ever... unless another 80 million years of evolution decides to change that. Some people will say that one snake or another has it's own personality. They either have a really grouchy snake, a shy one, or a really calm tempered little guy, but those observations are all just differing levels of aggression, indifference, or fear - something that is instinctual, not emotional. As far as the indifference goes, the snake doesn't see you as a threat and is just putting up with you.

Actually, the more I think about it, I would rather my snakes' emotional capacity stay the way it is. I have a feeling that if bp's or any other snake acted any other way, the appeal of them would not be the same. I like the indifferent attitude they display. :) I feel like if they did display emotions as other animals do, it'd be the same as owning the reptilian version of a cat. :P

As far as souls go, I'm afraid to touch the topic. Spiritual topics tend to get very touchy, and I'd be afraid to say something that would bite me in the bottom later... :weirdface :P

I believe everything has a soul, including plants. Now, I don't treat my plants like I do my cats and snakes, but you get it.

I do believe that more animals have souls than humans do in some cases.

And the angel of the Lord came unto me,
Snatching me up from my place of slumber,
And took me on high, and higher still until we
Moved in the spaces betwixt the air itself.
And he bore me unto a vast farmland of our own midwest,
And as we descended cries of impending doom rose from the soil.
One thousand, nay, a million voices full of fear.
And terror possessed me then.
And I begged,

"Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me,
"These are the cries of the carrots,
The cries of the carrots.
You see, reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day
And to them it is the holocaust."
And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat
Like the tears of one millions terrified brothers
And roared,
"Hear me now,
I have seen the light,
They have a consciousness,
They have a life,
They have a soul.
Damn you!
Let the rabbits wear glasses,
Save our brothers...can I get an amen?
Can I get a hallelujah? thank you, Jesus.

Rep point for the first person who knows what this is from.

I dont believe my snake has a soul. But most of that is due to the plastic tub. Them horrible toxins have depleted his soul and is no more

Neither do humans or anything else

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

And the angel of the Lord came unto me,
Snatching me up from my place of slumber,
And took me on high, and higher still until we
Moved in the spaces betwixt the air itself.
And he bore me unto a vast farmland of our own midwest,
And as we descended cries of impending doom rose from the soil.
One thousand, nay, a million voices full of fear.
And terror possessed me then.
And I begged,

"Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me,
"These are the cries of the carrots,
The cries of the carrots.
You see, reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day
And to them it is the holocaust."
And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat
Like the tears of one millions terrified brothers
And roared,
"Hear me now,
I have seen the light,
They have a consciousness,
They have a life,
They have a soul.
Damn you!
Let the rabbits wear glasses,
Save our brothers...can I get an amen?
Can I get a hallelujah? thank you, Jesus.

Rep point for the first person who knows what this is from.

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I'm a fan of that band (unless they borrowed it), but had to google it so it doesn't count:P

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Originally Posted by Arsinoe

In my opinion that kind of belief is just as ignorant and destructive as those who believe snakes are evil and devils and such.

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In my opinion you have no right to judge people who don't have the same beliefs as you. You have no right to come on here and tell everyone that their beliefs are ignorant, because we KNOW that this has stemmed from your very IGNORANT posts about people who house their snakes in tubs.

Your snake ISN'T in its optimum environment. You've had bad sheds, and feeding refusals. Betcha if your snake felt better about it's enclosure you wouldn't have these problems. MY snakes on the other hand, have perfect sheds and never miss a meal. So please, just let this ridiculousness go.


AND AGAIN, it's about what works best for the individual snake, and the snake DOESN'T care about have pretty things to look at or realistic looking hides. They want a warm dark humid place to hide, fresh water, and a meal when they're hungry. None of this has anything to do with having a soul.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

And the angel of the Lord came unto me,
Snatching me up from my place of slumber,
And took me on high, and higher still until we
Moved in the spaces betwixt the air itself.
And he bore me unto a vast farmland of our own midwest,
And as we descended cries of impending doom rose from the soil.
One thousand, nay, a million voices full of fear.
And terror possessed me then.
And I begged,

"Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me,
"These are the cries of the carrots,
The cries of the carrots.
You see, reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day
And to them it is the holocaust."
And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat
Like the tears of one millions terrified brothers
And roared,
"Hear me now,
I have seen the light,
They have a consciousness,
They have a life,
They have a soul.
Damn you!
Let the rabbits wear glasses,
Save our brothers...can I get an amen?
Can I get a hallelujah? thank you, Jesus.

Rep point for the first person who knows what this is from.

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Didn't google it so I'm not sure I'm right, but my guess would be Tool (mostly going off of the Maynard reference...)

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Originally Posted by unspecified42

Didn't google it so I'm not sure I'm right, but my guess would be Tool (mostly going off of the Maynard reference...)

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What's the name of the song? You got the band right.......................

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

What's the name of the song? You got the band right.......................

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Ahhh. Yeah. I do listen to Tool, but not enough to know the song name.

I have been wrong all along!! Sorry! :tears::tears:

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2138/nosnakesign.jpg

I believe snakes can and do have emotions. They may not be nearly as close to emotional beings as humans, but to say they have no emotion seems sort of... ludicrous to me.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

What's the name of the song? You got the band right.......................

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Disgustipated! Had to pull up my albums on iTunes to get it though. I'll rep the person that tells me who was the first "person" to coin the expression.

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Originally Posted by jfreels

Disgustipated! Had to pull up my albums on iTunes to get it though. I'll rep the person that tells me who was the first "person" to coin the expression.

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Popeye! (And I didn't Google it... I Binged it.) :P

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Popeye! (And I didn't Google it... I Binged it.) :P

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That shouldn't count, but OK. I use to be a vegan and one of my buddies loved that song for obvious vegan reasons and had told me that's where the word came from. Was it ever on the cartoon? I don't ever remember it, he said it was in the comics...he didn't watch TV.

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Originally Posted by jfreels

That shouldn't count, but OK. I use to be a vegan and one of my buddies loved that song for obvious vegan reasons and had told me that's where the word came from. Was it ever on the cartoon? I don't ever remember it, he said it was in the comics...he didn't watch TV.

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Heh, that's okay... I'm not begging for reps. After seeing the answer, though, I didn't think anyone would have known that. I doubt if many people under 20 even know about Popeye. ;)

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

What's the name of the song? You got the band right.......................

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Gah, thought of the wrong song.

They got it right.

Edit: No, it's technically called track 69. At least in my Windows Media Player it is. Disgustipated is only 1 second long. Goes onto tracks 11-67 (Though I deleted all those tracks.) track 68 is 2 seconds, then track 69 is 15:47 mins long.

I didn't know this until someone pointed it out to me. It shows up like this in WMP, does it in iTunes?

I don't think soul is relevant, to be honest. It has nothing to do with emotions or 'feeling'. Those things occur in the brain.

I do, however, think some people sell snakes short.

They have been researched scientifically, and we can see what they are capable of from their behavior and from their brain structure.

Snakes are most certainly capable of emotions. They are not, however, capable of 'higher emotions'--the more complex emotions displayed by birds and mammals. Snakes are capable of fear, curiousity/interest, contentment/happiness, unhappiness, and anger. There's no question about it--they have the mental equipment for it, they display the behaviors associated with it--it's there.
Animals known to have emotional centers in their brains, and to display behavioral evidence of emotion: Cephalopods, fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals.
Cephalopods and some lizards 'wear their heart on their sleeve' with complex color and pattern changes corresponding to their moods, as well as other stimuli.

As for snakes' reasoning abilities--it really depends on the species. Our ball pythons are not geniuses. They really aren't very bright animals. They don't have to be, in order to be successful. Other snake species aren't quite so dim--garter and rat snakes, for example. The obvious genius among snakes is the King Cobra.
To judge intelligence, look at the animal's behavior, and what it needs to do in the wild in order to survive. Ball pythons spend most of their time hiding, and are primarily ambush predators--they wait for prey to come across their path. Snakes that are more active hunters need to be smarter, both to locate their prey, and to avoid predators as they wander.

It should be noted that, in general, snakes are the least intelligent group of reptiles. Tuatara, lizards, turtles, and crocodilians all show much higher levels intelligence much more consistently than snakes do. Still, the intelligence of animals in general is something that has been continuously underestimated since scientific research of animals first began. We are continually revising our knowledge of their mental capabilities upward.

So in that respect, I have to agree--don't sell them short. Watch and see, and you will probably be surprised some day.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Heh, that's okay... I'm not begging for reps. After seeing the answer, though, I didn't think anyone would have known that. I doubt if many people under 20 even know about Popeye. ;)

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Hey you! When I was a kid ( Im currently 18) Popeye still came on cartoon network...or maybe Boomorang(sp)?! Who ever tells me what year it stopped coming on cartoon network, gets a rep point.

My snakes LOVE me! er... at least I tell myself that.

I think my snakes have souls....I also think that they love me almost as much as I love them. But then again....I also think I almost have them potty trained....:rofl:...and they like to snuggle. Each one of them has a different personality and different likes. HOWEVER...they ALL LOVE their new tub enclosures. Its private...comfy...warm and humid. Just what they are use to if they were in the wild only without the dirt and misc. bugs crawling around. They also love the fact that if they do have an accident in their tub...it is cleaned within 12 hours...and the fact that I hand pick their food each week and give it to them on the same day. My snakes are love bugs in a tub. :rolleyes:

Honestly I love my sakes but I don't believe they have souls because in my religion only humans do.


Do they have emotions? Maybe. I'm not sure they are as smart as say, a cat.

Emotions or not My primary concern is meeting there biological and mental health needs with good husbandry, and hides, and privacy.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Snakes are most certainly capable of emotions. They are not, however, capable of 'higher emotions'--the more complex emotions displayed by birds and mammals. Snakes are capable of fear, curiousity/interest, contentment/happiness, unhappiness, and anger. There's no question about it--they have the mental equipment for it, they display the behaviors associated with it--it's there.
Animals known to have emotional centers in their brains, and to display behavioral evidence of emotion: Cephalopods, fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals.
Cephalopods and some lizards 'wear their heart on their sleeve' with complex color and pattern changes corresponding to their moods, as well as other stimuli.

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I didn't realize that they were indeed capable of happiness. :O Contentedness, yes, but that's something I didn't read about. :3 I guess ya learn something new everyday.

Directed to everyone - If I sounded like I made snakes out to be mindless drones, that's not what I meant. :) WingedWolf worded what I was trying to say in a much better fashion.

:gj:

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Hey you! When I was a kid ( Im currently 18) Popeye still came on cartoon network...or maybe Boomorang(sp)?! Who ever tells me what year it stopped coming on cartoon network, gets a rep point.

My snakes LOVE me! er... at least I tell myself that.

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Well, there was a show called "The popeye show" on Cartoon Network, and it ended in 2003, I think. It wasn't quite the original though, was it? It showed a couple episodes at a time, and I think there was a narrator if I remember correctly.... Oh well, I've got a few of the dvds :D p.s. I'm nineteen ;)


Edit: I found the beginning of the show on youtube. So it was a kind of info show as well? Hm.
YouTube - Cartoon Network's Popeye intro!

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

I don't think soul is relevant, to be honest. It has nothing to do with emotions or 'feeling'. Those things occur in the brain.

I do, however, think some people sell snakes short.

They have been researched scientifically, and we can see what they are capable of from their behavior and from their brain structure.

Snakes are most certainly capable of emotions. They are not, however, capable of 'higher emotions'--the more complex emotions displayed by birds and mammals. Snakes are capable of fear, curiousity/interest, contentment/happiness, unhappiness, and anger. There's no question about it--they have the mental equipment for it, they display the behaviors associated with it--it's there.
Animals known to have emotional centers in their brains, and to display behavioral evidence of emotion: Cephalopods, fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals.
Cephalopods and some lizards 'wear their heart on their sleeve' with complex color and pattern changes corresponding to their moods, as well as other stimuli.

As for snakes' reasoning abilities--it really depends on the species. Our ball pythons are not geniuses. They really aren't very bright animals. They don't have to be, in order to be successful. Other snake species aren't quite so dim--garter and rat snakes, for example. The obvious genius among snakes is the King Cobra.
To judge intelligence, look at the animal's behavior, and what it needs to do in the wild in order to survive. Ball pythons spend most of their time hiding, and are primarily ambush predators--they wait for prey to come across their path. Snakes that are more active hunters need to be smarter, both to locate their prey, and to avoid predators as they wander.

It should be noted that, in general, snakes are the least intelligent group of reptiles. Tuatara, lizards, turtles, and crocodilians all show much higher levels intelligence much more consistently than snakes do. Still, the intelligence of animals in general is something that has been continuously underestimated since scientific research of animals first began. We are continually revising our knowledge of their mental capabilities upward.

So in that respect, I have to agree--don't sell them short. Watch and see, and you will probably be surprised some day.

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Most definitely!

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Originally Posted by Arsinoe

I see that some here are so hepped up on science and all, concerning snakes that they rule out the SPIRIT/SOUL of the creature. A body is just a vehicle for that soul. As with humans, animals have a soul and the do feel. Despite those who chose to believe such non sense and relegate them to a living automatons that doesn't feel, and only reacts to stimulation and primorial needs

Is that fair to believe that?

In my opinion that kind of belief is just as ignorant and destructive as those who believe snakes are evil and devils and such.

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All creatures have souls. It makes up for man's lack there of.

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Originally Posted by Tochigi_R

I didn't realize that they were indeed capable of happiness. :O Contentedness, yes, but that's something I didn't read about. :3 I guess ya learn something new everyday.

Directed to everyone - If I sounded like I made snakes out to be mindless drones, that's not what I meant. :) WingedWolf worded what I was trying to say in a much better fashion.

:gj:

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What is happiness? I think happiness and contentedness are two words that are very much the same, and differ only in degree. Same emotion, really--a good feeling that comes from things being right, and getting what you want. lol

I think part of the fun of having a reptile is believing that they have higher emotions, especially with one or just a few reptiles. If my house was burning down and I had time to grab one thing, I would grab my BP. I get what the OP is saying although I think it's a tad extreme.

One a side note, why did he get an infraction for this thread. It would prob be good if this was moved to the Quarantine Room.

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Originally Posted by thegoalie22

I think part of the fun of having a reptile is believing that they have higher emotions, especially with one or just a few reptiles. If my house was burning down and I had time to grab one thing, I would grab my BP. I get what the OP is saying although I think it's a tad extreme.

One a side note, why did he get an infraction for this thread. It would prob be good if this was moved to the Quarantine Room.

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What's the Quarantine Room? Why should this go there?

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Originally Posted by thegoalie22

I think part of the fun of having a reptile is believing that they have higher emotions, especially with one or just a few reptiles. If my house was burning down and I had time to grab one thing, I would grab my BP. I get what the OP is saying although I think it's a tad extreme.

One a side note, why did he get an infraction for this thread. It would prob be good if this was moved to the Quarantine Room.

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I just went back through all the posts - no one got an infraction for this thread - where do you get that from?

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I just went back through all the posts - no one got an infraction for this thread - where do you get that from?

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i think a mod/admin said people received infractions. Meaning infractions on other threads

Arisnoe-

You brag about handling your snake 2 hours a day. It doesn't enjoy or look forward to being handled. It doesn't "love" you.. It just views you as the one who picks you up.. honestly it would be fine if you never handled it.

You also brag about keeping it in a tank because you are "doing what's best for it" giving it a "proper home".. c'mon. If you really cared about your snake you would keep it in an enclosure where you could easily control temps and humidity.