Albino High/Low Contrast

I absolutely love Albinos, and would love to add one to my collection, but had a question for you all that has been bugging me:

I constantly see Albinos advertised as "high contrast." What defines a high contrast albino? My ideal albino would be almost white, with the yellows being extremely light and more like clouds, lacking the alien pattern even. Would this be "low contrast?" I may be totally off...

Pictures always help! Maybe an example of a high contrast vs. a normal or low contrast? :gj::snake::gj::snake::gj:

A high contrast is going to be very, very bright yellow - but they do change as they mature, so it can be hard to really label them. The deeper the orange as a baby - the more bright sharp yellow they'll be as adults.

Sounds like you're also looking for a reduced pattern one as well.

Here's my boy - reduced pattern, but time will tell if he'll truly be "high contrast".

I think I know the soft yellow that you are referring to though.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...o/IMG_6201.jpg

I like the ones that look more orange then yellow

this is my girl shes not high contrast her yellow sorta runs into her white lines
and is a little faded not as much as some ive seen
i dont think you can go wrong when it comes to albinos
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1289/squirtg.jpg

I think the oranges-and-white ones turn yellow over time. Brighter yellow for brighter orange, but I don't think the orange really lasts?

But yeah, you want a low contrast one. I'm surprised they aren't more popular--they're ideal for snow projects, too! I'm so-so on the higher contrast albinos, but I do like it when the blushing bleeds into the white areas as they age.

I don't know what it is about the orange ones lol. They just stand out more then the yellow and white ones to me. I like em all tho

I love HC albinos!!

Here is my little female
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...s/DSC_0473.jpg

My female when younger

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...y/100_2327.jpg

And her now 1200grams

http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/s...F/100_3096.jpg

Below a picture of two albino brothers from the same clutch, on the left, is super sharp high contrast, oranges outlining bright yellows. His brother on the right is a bit faded and no oranges outlines on the yellows. Same mother and father, very different end results.



https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...wo_albinos.jpg

http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...hp?i=30122&c=3

Albinos are sweet plus they make some great combo morphs. Now I'm really debating getting the albino breeding program underway...

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Originally Posted by mqbuchanan

Below a picture of two albino brothers from the same clutch, on the left, is super sharp high contrast, oranges outlining bright yellows. His brother on the right is a bit faded and no oranges outlines on the yellows. Same mother and father, very different end results.



https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...wo_albinos.jpg

http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...hp?i=30122&c=3

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I love both of these guys, but the one on the right is almost EXACTLY what I'm looking for. Is there a way to find them, or a specific name or type like this, or just search until I get lucky?

Your gonna have to search and hope that you get lucky man

So there's no name or nickname for the really light yellow? Is it more or less desirable...

I've been seeing albino balls at such low prices, my fingers are crossed that the low contrast, very light yellow is even cheaper haha

Some people refer to them as 'faded albinos'. I believe the brightness is passed on from their parents, both of the two I posted pictures of are a nice yellow. They are also 50% het for pied, so I am hoping the one with the orange outlines around the yellows is getting that from his carrying of one pied gene.

would high contrast be more or less expensive than what I'm looking for?

High contrast generally go for more I'd generalize, but it's a little bit hard to objectify what is high contrast and what is faded.

I doubt if anyone was selling a faded or washed out looking albino they would be selling it at much of a discount, if any. I'd just hunt around at shows trying to find a really motivated seller.

Either way they're great looking snakes and the probably the single most important mutation to the history of herpetoculture.

I'm finally getting a rack that will allow me to add to my 1 BP collection, so I'll be on the lookout at the Tampa Repticon and possibly the Sarasota show if I make it out...If not I'm between Tampa and Gainesville so possibly the Jacksonville or Orlando shows....

Alot of people tend to prefer breeding albinos from normals and hets that have a redused pattern. This is kinda backwards to me. The thing is, the white areas on an albino are what would have been the darkest black/brown markings if it were a normal. If I were to breed for pattern differences in albinos I would choose hets and normals with the absolute most patterning possible. Black backs, heavy banded, very busy patterns. This would eventually result in very high white albinos with much less yellow/orange markings.

I prefer albinos with more white than anything.

Agreed, It's almost to me like a stepping stone to the all white guys...the poor mans BEL

Just ran across the NERD website, and they have a list of there animals, including faded albinos, or "pale"...pretty sweet!

old pic of my female
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._5404514_n.jpg
old pic of my male
http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs419...._3986167_n.jpg

love that male!

Imo the high contrast albinos with as much yellow/orange as possible are the nicest.

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Originally Posted by ALTownsend1

love that male!

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Thank you. Once its not so busy around here ill take some better pictures with the new camera for you. Those pictures dont do them justice.

Can't wait to see em

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Just ran across the NERD website, and they have a list of there animals, including faded albinos, or "pale"...pretty sweet!

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Unfortunately the NERD faded albino was a one-off that popped up at random, and last I heard it wasn't genetic. But I have seen some comparable faded albinos floating around kingsnake and the fauna classiefieds since then, including one pair of twins. So you probably could breed selectively for it.

I would likely be looking to find a faded albino female, that way the coloring I love would be the largest example it could be!

What combinations go well with Albino, and what do they look like?

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Originally Posted by ALTownsend1

I would likely be looking to find a faded albino female, that way the coloring I love would be the largest example it could be!

What combinations go well with Albino, and what do they look like?

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I'm not really crazy about Albino combos myself - the only ones that I like are Albino Pin, Albino Spider and Albino Pied.

I actually picked up my albino male with no intentions to breed him, I just wanted to have a nice looking albino. However, if I find a nice albino female that appeals to me, I might consider breeding just for more reduced pattern albino's. The pure albino (not in a combo) is what I like best!

It sounds to me like you would like a high white albino pied the best. Then it would have large areas of white and the crazy striped and swirly pattern of a pied. The most common combos are the ones Robin said. Those in particular are very reduced pattern. The spider and pin albinos are mostly yellow with only thin lines of white. It may be more fun to try to make your own. Like I said before just find a very high pattern BP (lots of black patterning) and breed it with a very faded female albino. Then hold back the most reduced pattern male you get and breed it back to the female albino the following season.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

It sounds to me like you would like a high white albino pied the best. Then it would have large areas of white and the crazy striped and swirly pattern of a pied.

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If only money did in fact grow on trees...

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Originally Posted by loonunit

Unfortunately the NERD faded albino was a one-off that popped up at random, and last I heard it wasn't genetic. But I have seen some comparable faded albinos floating around kingsnake and the fauna classiefieds since then, including one pair of twins. So you probably could breed selectively for it.

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thats not exactly true. i contacted NERD a while back about getting a faded or Het for faded. he said they don't usually work with it because no one really wants it. he also said that they may have some avialable sometime but wasn't sure. he in no way indicated that it wasn't genetic. and if it wasn't genetic, how do you explain the faded albino spider.

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

thats not exactly true. i contacted NERD a while back about getting a faded or Het for faded. he said they don't usually work with it because no one really wants it. he also said that they may have some avialable sometime but wasn't sure. he in no way indicated that it wasn't genetic. and if it wasn't genetic, how do you explain the faded albino spider.

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I'm surprised. I'd imagine more people would want faded albinos for their snow projects.

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Originally Posted by Russ Lawson

I'm surprised. I'd imagine more people would want faded albinos for their snow projects.

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x2, although I'm not complaining because hopefully I'll get a better deal on a faded...