Codom Morph Needs a Name

I want to start by saying that Chris Huffman proved this trait out and deserves all the credit. He sent me one of the animals early on (prior to producing a super) and I've produced more of the morph and possibly a cross with a Spider. But so far neither of us could come up with a good name so I figured this was the easiest way to get some input.

Below is the story as well as some photos. What do you think should it be called??

Here's a photo of one of the 'Huffman' balls

http://www.dbherp.com/images/um1.jpg

Here's the background story from Chris:

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Just for the history I'm going to call them Huffmans

I just happened to be on Fauna I believe and noticed a local ad and contacted the girl. She actually ended up working at one of the petstores I got feeders from so I ended up buying the original female and a male that I turned around and sold. I just assumed she was a normal, she had some nice coloring but nothing extreme.

At the time I had maybe a dozen animals so I bred her to my ghost male to make hets because I didn't have any het ghost females. It wasn't till that clutch hatched that I really wondered what was up. When all the babies were out it was pretty obvious that 4 of them were not like the other one or two (can't remember if the clutch was 5 or 6 right now). I kept 3 of the odd looking ones, and sent you [David Bellis] one odd looking one and one normal looking het. I raised up the babies and bred one of the 2 males back to the original female. If anything I kind of thought they were black pastels and I'd get a solid black snake.

What I got was 0.2 supers, 1.2 huffmans, and a normal or two. One of the supers was a twin with a normal in the same egg. It came out tiny, never fed on it's own, had a hard spot in it's belly around the umbilical cord, and eventually died. But the super that was in its own egg ate like a champ and is about 1400 grams. I put a couple different males in with her this season but haven't seen much action and didn't press the issue too much since she didn't hit 1500 grams.

The next season I bred the original female to a pin male, and one of the first gen females to one of the first gen males. From the pin breeding I produced 1 pin and 3 what I believe to be pin huffmans because of the color differences. I've still got all 3 of them. From the Huffman to Huffman breeding I got 1 super, 1 huffman, and 2 normals. This super never seemed quite right either. It moved funny sometimes and seemed to have trouble killing pinky/fuzzy rats. It too eventually died.

So over time Below is what I have produced from them. I still have all of them except the female I sent to you and the 2 supers that died.

0.1 Original female

Gen 1 (original female x ghost)
2.2 Huffmans het ghost
Normal het or two

Gen 2 (original female x Gen 1 male)
0.2 super (50% poss het ghost) - One super died
1.2 huffmans (50% poss het ghost)
Normal or two

Gen 3 Clutch 1 (original female x pin)
0.3 Pin mystery
1.0 pin
Normal or two

Gen 3 clutch 2 (gen 1 female x gen 1 male)
0.1 Super - Died
0.1 Huffman
2 Normals

I've bred the super some this season but like I said, I haven't seen a lot of action and haven't pushed her since she's small. I've also had one of the Gen 1 females with a Ghost male. She's never produced for me yet so she's quite large. I gave the original mom and the mother of Gen 3 clutch 2 the season off. I didn't really know what to put with them and they both took a while to get back on feed after laying so they didn't get back up as big as I'd want.

Think that's about all the detail I can really recall.

Chris

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And a couple more photos of the morph with a Bumblebee.

http://www.dbherp.com/images/um2.jpg

http://www.dbherp.com/images/um3.jpg

http://www.dbherp.com/images/um4.jpg

Adult morph and Super form © Chris Huffman

http://www.dbherp.com/images/umnsuper.jpg

http://www.dbherp.com/images/umsuper.jpg

French Toast :banana:

That looks like a fitting name to me

You should call it the super huffy ball.....

Just another great animal up your sleeve huh David! This one is pretty intresting!

If it were mine, I'd lean heavily towards calling it a Black Gold, or Black Gold Pastel.

Beautiful animal. Perhaps one day I'll be fortunate enough to stumble on something spectacular like this. Stranger things have happened.

Gale

Hi,

I would be really, really intrested in seeing what popped out of a super huffer and black pastel cross. :cool:


dr del

the patterns look to me liek the swirlnig when you put your milk into coffees and such. but I like them and can only say I know I'll never be lucky to get one lol.. Not unlessI proven out a new morph and can sell it ( that money would go into getting a proper place for a proper snake room first lol)

I SUGGEST EITHER COPPERTONE OR COPPER BALL :gj:

i'd call it awesome!!! lol
but seriously maybe onyx

Picasso Ball

I'd say call it the Espresso, or Cafe Latte.
Or something along that line, it reminds me of coffee, but that name is already taken.;)

Kuro Motley.

Final Answer,
Jim Smith

I like Cinnabon.

Bourbon :D

Obsidian. :D

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Originally Posted by A.VinczeBPs

I'd say call it the Espresso, or Cafe Latte.
Or something along that line, it reminds me of coffee, but that name is already taken.;)

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Maybe a Java Ball? has that been taken?

I'd name it "Ten Speed". lol.

i'd call it a super fly because it sort of looks like fire fly l

Its funny how it looks like a black pastel but the super is more cinny. I love the patterns though very busy yet clean I am curious to see what else it can do to other combos.

I second Java!

Angry Ball :taz:

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Originally Posted by gerbster1

i'd call it a super fly because it sort of looks like fire fly l

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To my knowledge superfly is already taken.
Java is a cute option, the swirlies on the super make me think of black holes or galaxies of a sort.

How about the "Galaxy ball"??? Because of its pattern?

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Originally Posted by A.VinczeBPs

I'd say call it the Espresso, or Cafe Latte.
Or something along that line, it reminds me of coffee, but that name is already taken.;)

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:gj:
Reminds me of coffee also :D. I like "java" or "espresso" ball :rofl:

it looks like Batik Pattern (silk painting from java)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batik

Batik Ball Python :D

Batik morph .... hahaha

Call it the Huffner Ball, because it's something like a pimp.
I'd like to see a pic of the Pinstripe Huffman, and the Spider poss Huff.

The Huffman looks like a Black Pastel, but the Super looks like a Cinnamon or a Pewter that lacks the Pastel gene.

It would be interesting to see what comes from pairing it with a Black Pastel or Cinnamon. Will it be the expected Super form of a BP/Cinny cross or...

It would also be interesting to see it crossed with a Pastel / Super Pastel and see what the "Pewters" look like.

Why don't y'all just breed the Super Huff to a Silver Streak.
Hurry Up!
No pics of the results yet?

Sorry, I've been bad about making it around lately. Thought I'd add a couple pictures. They're old; I need to get off my butt and get some new ones.

Super as a baby
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL17/.../385022234.jpg

The pin x original female clutch before first shed (forgot until I found the pic again I had put a male spider with her too) I've hesitated to post pictures in the past because my picture taking ability is lacking. The differences in color really doesn't come through in the pictures but I think you can see the pattern difference. From left to right what I think is pin het, pin het, pin, spider, pin het.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL17/.../385022236.jpg

Another picture of what I believe to be 2 pin hets and a normal pin (in the middle) from the same clutch. The increased side pattern and the darker overall color is why I suspect they are also hets. What you can't really tell from the pics is they have a lot of orange accents around the black so that's another reason I suspect they carry the gene although you can't really tell the orange from the pictures. All are females though so next year will be the first year I may be able to breed them to prove my theory. Definitely be putting a male het with them to see what a super pin may look like.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL17/.../385022232.jpg

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm not very creative and David's been asking me for a name. And I'll try to get some updated pics of the super and the pin hets, though they won't be as good as David's pics, that I can assure you.

Chris

Neat project, thanks for all the info :gj:

I really like the super. Reminds me of the super disco, to me a more exciting snake than all white or all black.

Have you considered trying to pair this line with either a lesser or mojave? I wonder what that would look like.

I quite like it myself.

As for names... I'm no good with those. But I did quite like "espresso" which was one of the suggestions.

I think you should make a pole out of the suggestions for everyone to vote on. I like the Copper ball.

The little squiggles are interesting. reminds me of childrens scribbling. Maybe call it the Scribble Ball and the Super Scribble Ball. :confused: