Dented eggs?

Ok so how bad do the eggs dent in in the 1st month? I have a batch that is making me worry.. they are so dented in.
Yes I have the pearlite with the egg crate mesh like top lots of water temps are perfect and useing press n seal.. but wow.. These are really bad dented but have good viens... So now what? change them to vermiculite?
Let me know what you would do if anything..:confused:

I would check the seal on the Press N Seal. Last year I had a similar problem and it was that humidity was escaping my JCP egg tub. I draped slightly moistened sphagnum moss over the eggs and they plumped back out in a day or two.

What day are you on? Mine started dimpling at day 35, its not a big deal.

Last year a clutch of mine started to Dimple within the first two weeks.

I layed a moist paper towel over the eggs for about 2 hours....this popped MOST of the dent out, and kept it that way throughout the rest of Inc. time.

Hope it helps.

Sounds like everything is fine. Be sure tubs are sealed, and the medium has plenty of water.They will dent in.
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i had some corn eggs that dented pretty bad last year, but all we did was put a big layer of moist paper towels on top of the eggs and they were fine.

Ok I am on day 28. The eggs are very very dented.. But I will try the moistened paper towel.. Thank you.. :gj:

okay how do you set up an egg tub with just perlite as a medium? how 'mushy' does the perlite need to be? how did you do it op?

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Originally Posted by m0esgirl

okay how do you set up an egg tub with just perlite as a medium? how 'mushy' does the perlite need to be? how did you do it op?

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Be sure if your using substratless do not use press n seal. It causes WAY too much condensation on the sides and lid of the tubs. Substratless can be water for medium. As long eggs are not in the medium it can be as soaked as you want. I have never had to add water to a tub during entire incubation due to the amount of water i add.

If your not using the substrateless with the crate, but eggs in the medium then i HIGHLY suggest the press and seal since the medium cant be wet but moist.

Using typical vermiculite substrate incubation, I've always found that I have to check moisture levels after the first month of incubation, and generally add more water. I haven't tried the press n seal yet, but even in the hovabator, they lose some moisture over time. Occasionally, I just set the eggs aside, and completely remix the vermiculite back to the right consistancy, then put them back.
I am hoping to try substrateless this year, we'll see how it goes.

Well I tried the damp cloth trick. No luck...
So I have a new question for everyone.
Can I have too much water, therefore I have low humidity?
:weirdface

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Originally Posted by WaRocker

Well I tried the damp cloth trick. No luck...
So I have a new question for everyone.
Can I have too much water, therefore I have low humidity?
:weirdface

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no, if your eggs are in the medium then you cant have too much due to eggs getting wet.

I would highly suggest substratless due to being able to dump water in as needed and keep the medium soaked. My tubs are 4 weeks now still soaked and going strong.

Here is a pic of the eggs...see what I mean.
They look damp because I just removed the paper towel.

Thanks for advice.


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Originally Posted by WaRocker

Here is a pic of the eggs...see what I mean.
They look damp because I just removed the paper towel.

Thanks for advice.


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Did you candle them still, they look like they are dieing or dead. With the way you have it setup they should be plump as long as you have a lot of water.

What day are you on exactly

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Did you candle them still, they look like they are dieing or dead. With the way you have it setup they should be plump as long as you have a lot of water.

What day are you on exactly

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They candle great ...which is what is crazy.
They are on their 32 day and the bottom is filled with water humidity is good . temps at 89-90 but they are dimpled/dented...as pictured.

Have you tried candling them at this point?

Yes, They have great veins and there is a nice large mass at the bottom of each one.. I guess i will let this take its course and see what happens.. But Yikes ya know.. This was her first clutch so I could have hoped for better.. At least she is fine and maybe a better shoot next year with this female.

This is why I had asked can you put to much water in? In my mind if I have to much water this makes it harder to get warm enough to make the best humid conditions. Just a thought.. But as you can see in the upper right of the photo you can see the water even there.. Like I said I have water in it.. Just really dented..

What ever you do stay consistant. With you being halfway through incubation I wouldnt make any drastic changes. Keep up with the moist paper towel if you want but if they are candeling fine let them go as they are. In the barkers book they talk about eggs drying to the point that they didnt think they would hatch. When they changed the medium drastically they lost all the eggs. When they would do slight changes the eggs normally hatched.

Make sure that the bins are very tightly sealed. No matter how much water is in the bottom, if there's no tight seal, the air itself could be very dry.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

Last year a clutch of mine started to Dimple within the first two weeks.

I layed a moist paper towel over the eggs for about 2 hours....this popped MOST of the dent out, and kept it that way throughout the rest of Inc. time.

Hope it helps.

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Yayyyyy...some useful info. How many posts did it take? 20 maybe.

Im confused. Your quote is from the 4th post, not the 20th and on the 12th post WaRocker said it didnt help....:weirdface

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Im confused. Your quote is from the 4th post, not the 20th and on the 12th post WaRocker said it didnt help....:weirdface

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Sorry. BG will explain. Patty said that BG never gives any useful info in his posts, so BG, being BG, went and looked at all Patty's posts. It took until this one until he found anything that resembled some "useful info". Now you're telling BG it "didn't help"? OH well...looks like BG needs to look at another 20 posts to find some "useful info"....maybe more.:D

oOo....everything is better with context:D

It probably doesnt matter now but I have found that when using the substrateless method with a grate, hatchrite seems to hold the humidity best. I had the incubator running for a month before I had any eggs. 4 egg boxes with about 3 inches of hatchrite. A grate on top of that. They held 90/100% humidity for 5 weeks. I added a bit of water about a week after my first 2 clutches were down. They were still over 80% humidity at that time too. Now they are back up over 90%.

That stuff is more expensive but it seems a little more worry free. Especially if you have less than 10 clutches a year.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

It probably doesnt matter now but I have found that when using the substrateless method with a grate, hatchrite seems to hold the humidity best. I had the incubator running for a month before I had any eggs. 4 egg boxes with about 3 inches of hatchrite. A grate on top of that. They held 90/100% humidity for 5 weeks. I added a bit of water about a week after my first 2 clutches were down. They were still over 80% humidity at that time too. Now they are back up over 90%.

That stuff is more expensive but it seems a little more worry free. Especially if you have less than 10 clutches a year.

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I thought substrateless is water and an area to place the eggs? How is using hatchrite considered substrateless?

Xavier

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Originally Posted by XSpringer

I thought substrateless is water and an area to place the eggs? How is using hatchrite considered substrateless?

Xavier

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casue the eggs arent in the substrate. There supported out of it there for substrateless

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Be sure if your using substratless do not use press n seal. It causes WAY too much condensation on the sides and lid of the tubs. Substratless can be water for medium. As long eggs are not in the medium it can be as soaked as you want. I have never had to add water to a tub during entire incubation due to the amount of water i add.

If your not using the substrateless with the crate, but eggs in the medium then i HIGHLY suggest the press and seal since the medium cant be wet but moist.

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Don't use press n seal if your using water in place of media. What if your using media with the eggs on egg crate?

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Originally Posted by XSpringer

Don't use press n seal if your using water in place of media. What if your using media with the eggs on egg crate?

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If your using the method i have pictured above Dont use the press n seal as you will cause too much condensation.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

If your using the method i have pictured above Dont use the press n seal as you will cause too much condensation.

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I am using that method and have condensation issues. Yet why is having an egg crate in place effect condensation? Is it cause the eggs can't absorb as much mositure? Is there not a concern with loss of water without press n seal?

Xavier

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Originally Posted by XSpringer

I am using that method and have condensation issues. Yet why is having an egg crate in place effect condensation? Is it cause the eggs can't absorb as much mositure? Is there not a concern with loss of water without press n seal?

Xavier

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The method i use, i SOAK the vermiculite very much were i never have to add water the entire 60 days. Which is why when using Press n seal and the crate you get condensation due to too much water in the substrate. Thats why you dont need the seal just the lid.

If your using substrateless and press n seal i highly suggest taking off the press n seal. Only need it when the eggs are in the substrate since it cant be too wet. Thats where the press n seal comes in to hold in the moisture due to medium being moist and not wet.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

The method i use, i SOAK the vermiculite very much were i never have to add water the entire 60 days. Which is why when using Press n seal and the crate you get condensation due to too much water in the substrate. Thats why you dont need the seal just the lid.

If your using substrateless and press n seal i highly suggest taking off the press n seal. Only need it when the eggs are in the substrate since it cant be too wet. Thats where the press n seal comes in to hold in the moisture due to medium being moist and not wet.

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I don't have my media soaked. I didn't measure out the water to media ratio rather soaked the media and then squeezed out as much water out of it as possible. I wonder if I have enough to take up your method. With your incubation technique isn't there a concerned with water dripping on the eggs?

Xavier

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Originally Posted by XSpringer

I don't have my media soaked. I didn't measure out the water to media ratio rather soaked the media and then squeezed out as much water out of it as possible. I wonder if I have enough to take up your method. With your incubation technique isn't there a concerned with water dripping on the eggs?

Xavier

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I dont have any condensation or ever had. My sides and the lid are bone dry, but when you open the tubs you get blasted with warm moist air. I never measure anything i just put 3" of vermiculite in the tub and dump 32-40oz of water in it and mix it well, but the crate on and toss in incubator a week prior to egg laying.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

I dont have any condensation or ever had. My sides and the lid are bone dry, but when you open the tubs you get blasted with warm moist air. I never measure anything i just put 3" of vermiculite in the tub and dump 32-40oz of water in it and mix it well, but the crate on and toss in incubator a week prior to egg laying.

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Thanks for all the information.

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Originally Posted by WaRocker

Here is a pic of the eggs...see what I mean.
They look damp because I just removed the paper towel.

Thanks for advice.


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OK. So for those who don't know WaRocker is me/us..
So with that being said this is an update on the dented eggs.
:(

Well we have taken that as a learning lesson on how our girls first clutch was very touchy.. I have never had eggs do the whole raisen thing.. It was ugly..
I did lose all 4.. But as the ray of sun through all the clouds.. I would have hit the odds with a 50/50 clutch with my 1st time breeder Lesser as the sire.
Now I hope this nevers happens again. It was the strangest thing I have ever seen. The insides all dried up and the what we had was about 1 month old eggs..
I almost think I messed with them too much with damp towel and such and keep on checking them.. Bummed but I have learned some from this.

Just an update

Ahh, :(

Sorry you lost them in the end.


dr del

so sorry to hear that.

just means the ball gods owe ya one