Dinker female

Hay, I have picked up this girl last year at somewone's place,
And I wondering if she is a blackpastel ? or a cinny ???
She has very black eye's
and a nice white belly, Her color is not to describe so dark is she.

Her some picture's I have breed her to my spider male.

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/GroteFoto-LQJYY6LZ.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/GroteFoto-TPYIA7HO.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/GroteFoto-IXF4UM84.jpg

belly
http://www.mijnalbum.nl/GroteFoto-TL8XJ7I3.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/GroteFoto-3V8H6RUJ.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/GroteFoto-NJOYFF48.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/GroteFoto-HCGR7WUD.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/GroteFoto-8EQYUKOY.jpg

some links
http://www.mijnalbum.nl/GroteFoto-TJA83LBI.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/GroteFoto-MCKJZ6UP.jpg

and now in her Glow
http://www.mijnalbum.nl/GroteFoto-PZGLS864.jpg


sow tell me what your thinking

Looks like a dark normal to me in all honesty.

nice dinker

heeft wel iets weg van een cinny
das mijn menig
maar die telt niet

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Originally Posted by irezumi67

nice dinker

heeft wel iets weg van een cinny
das mijn menig
maar die telt niet

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waarom telt die niet ?
je bent zeer zeker niet de eerste die vind van wel,
maar die poster hierboven is ook niet de eerste die zegt van niet.

de meningen zijn verdeeld en ze blijft een wk tot het tegendeel bewezen
dat zeer zeker wel.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

Looks like a dark normal to me in all honesty.

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Why do you think that ?
she's has the marker's and colour..
only the upcoming flamings are missing.

but I have buy here as a normale and she stays that until she is prove.

Ooo she is nice :bow::bow::bow: My Female had nice very Black Crisp pattern but wasnt that dark... Nice Dinker... look little sable-ish :) I'm jealous :)

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=45652

Looks nothing like a cinnamon to me, just a dark normal.

Interesting. Get some babies and see if any look like her. If she turns out to be genetic and co-dominant no telling what the homozygous version would look like. On the other hand I've heard that cold incubated eggs might produce dark babies but the belly border stripe gives some more hope that simple genetic. Worth trying anyway, especially with a female.

Here is a dark girl I’m trying to breed back to one of her sons this year just in case even though I’m not overly optimistic about her being genetic.

http://snakemorphs.com/images/F01GAFR_med.jpg

thanx all
I am so curious how here baby's gone look like.
I want to get a male as hold back to breeding back to mam's
but we wil see, until now she is only a normale 'dinker' female

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=45652

Looks nothing like a cinnamon to me, just a dark normal.

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okay and blackpastel?

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Originally Posted by snakeparadise

okay and blackpastel?

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They are the same morph, just different lines.

Definately not a cinnamon. I dont work with black pastels but she does have some nice floaty patterns on her sides. At this point she is just a dinker but when she lays eggs and they hatch look for any that look just like her and hold those back for future breeding. It may take a few years to prove if she is anything but its always fun working with dinkers. The thing that makes me say she "might" have something going on is the belly. The railroad tracks on the back half of her belly and the fact that she doesnt have markings going through the belly scales could be a sign of something. All the dusting on the belly and lower face is interesting too.

Just keep us updated and post pics when she lays and then when the babies are out. She is very pretty. I like the darker ones.

thanx I wil been keep posting picture's
if the egs are there.

Id say dark normal. Her head doesnt look right for a cinny. The cinny head is more brown. Black pastels have the squigly lines around the alien eyes and I dont see those. Her tail does have the het pied marker, so I would try breeding her to a het pied male or even better a pied male.

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Originally Posted by Kryptonian

Id say dark normal. Her head doesnt look right for a cinny. The cinny head is more brown. Black pastels have the squigly lines around the alien eyes and I dont see those. Her tail does have the het pied marker, so I would try breeding her to a het pied male or even better a pied male.

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Agreed, I am going to say in my opinion just a nice Dark Normal. Black Pastels usually have the "Squigly lines around the spots in the alien heads. Cinnys the Head is usuall browned out and the Eyestripes are usually faded. Both usually have some nice blushing coming up the sides.
She does have nice railroad tracks under her tail so I would also say try breeding with Pied or het Pied

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Originally Posted by Darkwing_Angel

Ooo she is nice :bow::bow::bow: My Female had nice very Black Crisp pattern but wasnt that dark... Nice Dinker... look little sable-ish :) I'm jealous :)

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i agree that it looks sable-ish or maybee a chocolate

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Interesting. Get some babies and see if any look like her. If she turns out to be genetic and co-dominant no telling what the homozygous version would look like. On the other hand I've heard that cold incubated eggs might produce dark babies but the belly border stripe gives some more hope that simple genetic. Worth trying anyway, especially with a female.

Here is a dark girl I’m trying to breed back to one of her sons this year just in case even though I’m not overly optimistic about her being genetic.

http://snakemorphs.com/images/F01GAFR_med.jpg

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I've seen a few IMG balls like that (Increased Melanin Gene, the black usually is acquired as the snake ages similar to an amazon tree boa's pattern emerging)

I dont know if any ever proved out though

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

They are the same morph, just different lines.

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Nope:colbert:

They are like a Mojave compared to a Lesser

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Originally Posted by Mike@OutbackReptiles

Nope:colbert:

They are like a Mojave compared to a Lesser

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Opinion.

And it is still debatable. Find a geneticist who will work on this and we will have our true answer, until then its speculation, on EVERYONE's part.

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Originally Posted by snakeparadise

okay and blackpastel?

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Could pass for a black pastel, I have seen some that don't have much evidence of the "Squiggles."

Personally, based on darkness and belly markings, my first attempt at proving her would be with a Pied male...just to get that possiblity out of the way. I have some very nice 100% het pieds from Bob Clark and Ron Crawford that look just like that (and have proved out).

okay thanx all.
I wil then breed next season my piebald on herr, (he was not ready this season)
and get a holdback boy from this season to put back on her
over a time.

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Originally Posted by broadude

Could pass for a black pastel, I have seen some that don't have much evidence of the "Squiggles."

Personally, based on darkness and belly markings, my first attempt at proving her would be with a Pied male...just to get that possiblity out of the way. I have some very nice 100% het pieds from Bob Clark and Ron Crawford that look just like that (and have proved out).

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do you have some picture's of them?