Best GTP

What would be a good starter GTP locale? I would like to get one but I am overwhelmed by the diffrent ones there are.:)

Sorong or Jayapura. They tend to be the most calm.

Jayapura or Aru

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

Sorong or Jayapura. They tend to be the most calm.

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100% untrue

its going to depend on the animal. No locale, morph, color, or anything like that has an effect on personality.

advise I will give you tho, get one that already feeding perfect if your not ready to deal with a picky eater. and buy one thats captive born, less chance for problems.

I had a suspected aru/biak and she was the tamest snake I owned to date, also have a merauke and he is pretty tame also, just not as social as the aru/biak. but their locale had nothing to do with how tame they were, just depends on the snake.

I will have to somewhat disagree with u, I will agree t defiantly depends on the snake but like with dogs some breeds are just better than others which u can also disagree or agree with.

Many people choose Jayapura due to the majority of them being easier to handle say over a Biak.

NOT saying that u can’t have a Biak that’s handable - I have one!
NOT saying a Jayapura is handable just saying over the majority this is what I have found to be true with dealing with GTP.

Nothing person OhhWatALoser but I feel Brandon has more experience than u and I dealing with GTP, he was just giving his opinion on which local he felt was best for your first GTP.

I have a friend that has a pair of Kafiau/Canary Chondro's and they are very tame. I have handled them alot and neither has even attempted to strike at me. He also had a biak cross that was mean and has bitten me several times.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

100% untrue

its going to depend on the animal. No locale, morph, color, or anything like that has an effect on personality.

advise I will give you tho, get one that already feeding perfect if your not ready to deal with a picky eater. and buy one thats captive born, less chance for problems.

I had a suspected aru/biak and she was the tamest snake I owned to date, also have a merauke and he is pretty tame also, just not as social as the aru/biak. but their locale had nothing to do with how tame they were, just depends on the snake.

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100% untrue. In the 16 years I've been keeping chondros, Sorongs and Jayapuras have had the best temperments of all of them, other than some of my designer bloodlines. Yes it's true that genetics can play a roll in behavior, but until you've owned 20 Biaks, you can't tell me locale has nothing to do with personality.

In my experience, Biaks and Arus are the most defensive of chondros. Sorongs and Jayas, even WC animals have been very calm for me.....same goes for Kaufia/Canaries.

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Originally Posted by Warocker's Wife

I will have to somewhat disagree with u, I will agree t defiantly depends on the snake but like with dogs some breeds are just better than others which u can also disagree or agree with.

Many people choose Jayapura due to the majority of them being easier to handle say over a Biak.

NOT saying that u can’t have a Biak that’s handable - I have one!
NOT saying a Jayapura is handable just saying over the majority this is what I have found to be true with dealing with GTP.

Nothing person OhhWatALoser but I feel Brandon has more experience than u and I dealing with GTP, he was just giving his opinion on which local he felt was best for your first GTP.

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snakes are not dogs for one, but in the same arguement all I've ever known was sweetheart pitbulls and they seem to be the biak of the dog world. again depends on the animal. and locales are not breeds. it would be like saying dogs bred in germany are nicer than dogs beed in the usa.

He might have more experience than me but making a blantly false statement is just wrong. locale is just where a snake is from, their all gtps. they don't have different social cultures or anything so theres no reason they would have different personalities, you can't compare them to dogs, their personalities arn't effected by what part of the world (supposedly) you pulled them out of. it makes no sense to even make such a claim.

so my point is the OP shouldn't be looking at a name that was put on them for marketing purposes and look at things that really matter for a first time owner.

and no im not taking it as a personally attack at all, i just feel you are misinformed and I firmly believe stereotypes like this need to be gone.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

He might have more experience than me but making a blantly false statement is just wrong. locale is just where a snake is from, their all gtps. they don't have different social cultures or anything so theres no reason they would have different personalities, you can't compare them to dogs, their personalities arn't effected by what part of the world (supposedly) you pulled them out of. it makes no sense to even make such a claim.


and no im not taking it as a personally attack at all, i just feel you are misinformed and I firmly believe stereotypes like this need to be gone.

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What blanket false statement? All I did was offer my opinion based on MY experience. I have worked with chondros since 1993 and began keeping them in 1994. I've had lots of chondros in that time. Many imports and many more CBB. My experience is what it is, not what has been published in this book or that. Most people that keep chondros, or have kept any number of locales would probably say the same thing.

And yes, geographic locality can affect the behavioral personality of an animal. Study the landscape of Biak and you'll understand why Biaks are a bit more aggressive than other locales. It has nothing to do with social culture but has everything to do with habitat and genetics.

As for stereotyping locales, if you know what you are looking at you can usually tell what region the animal comes from. Sure there are overlapping areas, but I can tell a sorong from a jaya from an aru. There is a reason we use the term locality "type".

If you ever get a chance, read Dr. David Wilson's study on chondros in the wild. You will find some surprising data in his research.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

snakes are not dogs for one, but in the same arguement all I've ever known was sweetheart pitbulls and they seem to be the biak of the dog world. again depends on the animal. and locales are not breeds. it would be like saying dogs bred in germany are nicer than dogs beed in the usa.

He might have more experience than me but making a blantly false statement is just wrong. locale is just where a snake is from, their all gtps. they don't have different social cultures or anything so theres no reason they would have different personalities, you can't compare them to dogs, their personalities arn't effected by what part of the world (supposedly) you pulled them out of. it makes no sense to even make such a claim.

so my point is the OP shouldn't be looking at a name that was put on them for marketing purposes and look at things that really matter for a first time owner.

and no im not taking it as a personally attack at all, i just feel you are misinformed and I firmly believe stereotypes like this need to be gone.

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You need to do your research.

Reading a book and owning one GTP does NOT make u an expert. It is people like Brandon who shares their years of experiences with people like us to help US learn.

You look like a fool.

I can't believe what im reading, im not claiming to be an expert at all, but this was a subject I asked greg maxwells thoughts on at tinely park in 07 and along with what I read on the few chondro forums I've been following for a few years. thats my research. no I don't have your experience, but I listen to those who do.

im not going to argue anymore tho, OP good luck.

To the OP:

The best beginner GTP is one that is feeding and healthy. To get that, shop around and communicate with the seller.

It is tons easier and more likely to find a handleable snake (of any species) to specifically shop for one that is already handleable than shop for specific locales/subspecies/whatever and take a chance on "statistics" and heresay.

If you want a healthy, feeding, handleable GTP, buy one that is already all of those things, regardless of locality.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

I can't believe what im reading, im not claiming to be an expert at all, but this was a subject I asked greg maxwells thoughts on at tinely park in 07 and along with what I read on the few chondro forums I've been following for a few years. thats my research. no I don't have your experience, but I listen to those who do.

im not going to argue anymore tho, OP good luck.

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I never claimed to be an expert either. I was originally stating my opinion as were you. You took my opinion as a false blanket statement. Sorry if I sound like an ass, but hands on experience goes further than second hand information....especially coming from someone that, if I recall correctly, only had one pair of locale type animals. Everything else was from fairly mix heritage.

So im involved in the BSA and if I can get ther really hard to get high rank of Eagle my dad will let me get a GTP. He is still sort of scared every time my BPs jerk around or feed. So i dont want to set him off from snakes. Thats why i wanted to find a more docile type. Also would it be better to get a neonate or yearling? I really want the experience of raising the snake from a neonate and seeing His/her color change but if its too hard or not good for the snake i would have to decide.

Neos are very delicate for about the first 6-8 months. I would recommend starting with something 8-12 months old. Once you understand their behavior and requirements, you could possibly try your hand at a neonate. The best thing to look for is a CBB chondro with a solid feeding record.

I agree a yearly is best in fact I started out this way and never looked back I was just telling my family last night it’s really the best way for someone to start out with a GTP is a yearly because its established eating and more hardy.
good luck!