fire related question

Ok as some have read I gotten antoher rescued bp a couple months ago. I took it and another bp to the cambridge show were I was taught how to probe the snakes ( and found out the 2 I took were both females) while talknig ot the guys abotu theone I pointed out those light bloctchs in the tan areas and the fact it got the yellow spot on the face(on each side of the jaw) the guys looked at her and the one guy commented that she may be a fire. so I was wonder if there are any tell tail traits on a ball python that could point to it beign a fire or not. ( if she is I think I got a heck of a free snake lol) if not no biggie to me. Either way she not on the to breed plan for the next year or 2. I under stand ressecive and co dom genes and looking at the info iseen I know a fire breed to a fire makes a black eye lucy. but I was wondering on some morphs like fires, ecchi and a few other s I hear but can find their listing of the gene type. if ther are common traits in the snake to look for when looking to ID a fire ecchi and such ?? :weirdface

I am not Re qting the snakes as well as the pastel I received on saturday ( traded the leustic rat and the kenya sand boa for an 07 proven pastel. ) so I gown to 18 snakes but looking at 3 possible clutchs planned ( maybe)..

I dont have a fire so I cant say much, but I know they are supouse to have a spot/mark in their heads. Look through other fire pictures, you can probably see it. I see it.

My little 300 gram guy and his head imprint.
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...11872Small.jpg

lol then I will be s.o.l. al my life since the fires all apear to look like pastel too me. I know the head does havea lighter look to it than a normal and I got another one with a really light head. I also have pastel if I compare the pictures( mental image right now since i need to take some pics of him.) that in my book all look the same. I do know that the snake in question is lighter than most the normal snake ( that are older and such.)

I need to get better with this morph ID ing part lol.. I know visible stuff like pied the albinos ( even if i not seen a cameral yet in person) young anacthics and I such it the stuff lik fire, ecchis, ( i may be able to id an tiger ball) but i need to look at the almost normal looking morphs so I can learn to pick out the morph. I only can tell a pastel by comapiring it to a normal ( it an older pastel)..

head shor of the snake that a possible fire
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...0/100_0099.jpg

and a body shot
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...0/100_0098.jpg

That seems pretty dark for a fire. Most likely a normal.

if you looks, it has some white,orange spots on its drosal striping, witch iv never seen on a normal. just like my black pastel:O

http://www.snake-life.com/collection/fire.jpg

This is my fire female. She also have a spot on the head and are very lightful and clean :) very good looking girl

here are a couple of pictures of PELE.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...81/PELE003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...81/PELE001.jpg

I hate to say it, but she looks like a normal. :gj:

lol she may be I know my photo skills suck really bad.. I will try to get a picture of it against the pastel I received and a norma; ( who to mee really rak all the time) note they are all gonig though qt again since I took the 2 to the show. I may end up QT the entire collection since it about time to do a preventive treatment to the room again all bugs and mom not wanting the snakes in the living room due to a friend that comes over scared of snakes.

Photo skills or not, fires are VERY VERY light and bright. That female looks like a average colored normal. Spots near the nose are not markers for fires, they are markers for spotnose, and your female doesn't have the head spot that spotnoses have either.

If you believe her to be a fire/het BlkEL then get a fire male and breed that to her and you will know for sure. :gj:

not really worried either way lol to me a fire looks like a pastel, when I compare the pics to the one I gotten. but heck either wayhe snake in better hands now lol. and she will be here a long time.. Now if the guy I gotte nmy patesl still interestedin the redtail I may look into trading (or credit ) to a spider or somethign else nice since the boas about 20+ lbs and every bit of 6+ ft long and still tame unless your a furball type mammal.

Do fires have clear bellies? I don't remember.

But if they do, that could be a good indicator.

could it possibly just be a 'paradox' normal?