Axanthic ?

I just got this guy through a person who got it in a deal but doesnt want ball pythons. It wasnt cared for very well so is a little under weight and has a minor bit of scalerot. Not sure if the lack of care may be influencing the color.
Either way this snake is lscking alot of yellow pigmant. Its defiantely not normal in color. Also has a very faded head. Hard to tell inn the pics but I have a typical normal colored bp for comparison.
What do you think?

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It COULD be something...
or it COULD be normal.

just a dinker.
id just try and prove it out.

Sorry but that yellow light isnt helping, try using a more white light.

With better photos, it would be easier to tell, but I think it is!

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

With better photos, it would be easier to tell, but I think it is!

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I think so too, but the yellow light color throws it off, makes him look more like a normal. So not Im not sure.

Sorry doesnt look like an axanthic to me ..looks normal:oops:

I think its a normal.

And yes, malnutrition and poor condition can lead to a colour change like that.

im curious, are both snakes in quarantine??

uve been on the site longer than i so u should kno its not a good idea to put a new snake with one any already in ur collection :oops:. specially one with a lil scalerot o_O;...

just reminding u. it does look like an axanthic to me, but i didnt kno malnutrition can cause a color change :weirdface:weirdface:weirdface:weirdface...

oh well, hopefully the color is still there once he's more healthy and stuffed :gj:

Looks like it could be but it could be the lighting also..

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Originally Posted by h00blah

im curious, are both snakes in quarantine??

uve been on the site longer than i so u should kno its not a good idea to put a new snake with one any already in ur collection :oops:. specially one with a lil scalerot o_O;...

just reminding u. it does look like an axanthic to me, but i didnt kno malnutrition can cause a color change :weirdface:weirdface:weirdface:weirdface...

oh well, hopefully the color is still there once he's more healthy and stuffed :gj:

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I understand your point, but its not like scale rot is contagious :O

It definitely looks interesting to me. It would be sad if its lack of color was from being cared for poorly.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

I understand your point, but its not like scale rot is contagious :O

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scale rot may not be, but there are enough other things that are contagious. :/

seconding the better lighting.. your shadows should always have a neutral value if you're trying to show something as it is.

ok I tried some different lighting and played around with the white balance on the cam to get as close to as possible how he looks.
I used aome natural light from a window and the first pic he is still a little more brown than in person. The second and third are just slightly too grey but are the closest. So he is inbetween the two shades you see, leaning more to the greyer side. Middle pic on my comp is the closest.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...7/DSCF2424.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...7/DSCF2425.jpg
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That is a huge difference between the photos...

The first one leads me to believe that it is a normal, but the other two are Axanthic.

With the play of the camera lighting, I don't know what to believe anymore...

the first one is still more yellow, i took that one without adjusting the white balance. I wish i could get the true color on camera but am having a hard time. Imagine the last 2 with just a slight bit more brown to them. Maybe ill try filiming him.

so I tried to tape him and the video also make him look more brown (makes the cabinet hes on more brown too, its oak and looks more like redwood in this vid)so I give up trying to show him. Ill just wait till I breed him, get a female and breed it back to him. If I get grey babies then hes a axanthic. If not he is a neat looking normal.

YouTube - Mystery morph?

Does not look Axanthic to me.

There are a lot of animals that 'appear' Axanthic due to malnutrition. Feed him every week for a couple months and I'll bet he'll get normal coloration back.

Seeing this I have to say no..doesn't look at all like an axanthic

With the last 2 pics I wasnt sure, but by the video I would say no... Sorry, But who knows! good luck!

From the Video, the answer is no...

Sorry :confuzd:

like I said the vid has a color difference too. Our oak cabinet looks like redwood. In person he just doesnt look normal, especially when compared to a normal.Ill know when I breed him.

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Originally Posted by Kryptonian

like I said the vid has a color difference too. Our oak cabinet looks like redwood. In person he just doesnt look normal, especially when compared to a normal.Ill know when I breed him.

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Only if you have an adult female axanthic or het axanthic of the correct line. Buying an adult female het VPI and het TSK axanthic (the two most common lines) is going to be a very expensive way of 'proving out' a rescue animal.

Good luck with it, but please don't let it near your established animals again, no they can't catch scale rot but they CAN catch dozens of FAR worse ailments that you can't tell are there just by having the snake for a short while.

To me that snake doesn't look like an axanthic, just a sick ball python. Start worrying about its health before worrying about if it's a morph or not and breding it! If the snake has obvious external signs of illness then it could have far worse underlying problems.

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Originally Posted by mason

Only if you have an adult female axanthic or het axanthic of the correct line. Buying an adult female het VPI and het TSK axanthic (the two most common lines) is going to be a very expensive way of 'proving out' a rescue animal.

Good luck with it, but please don't let it near your established animals again, no they can't catch scale rot but they CAN catch dozens of FAR worse ailments that you can't tell are there just by having the snake for a short while.

To me that snake doesn't look like an axanthic, just a sick ball python. Start worrying about its health before worrying about if it's a morph or not and breding it! If the snake has obvious external signs of illness then it could have far worse underlying problems.

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wow talk about jumping to conclusion. The other snake is also in qaurantine, I have limited space so when I get a new animal from an unknown source they go in the same area. Unfortunately I live in an open basement so quaratine options are few.
No one said I plan to buy any axanthic for him to breed. Like most dinkers I will breed him and keep a female to breed back, thats not all that expensive,
Just becuase I am curious to his possibility of being a morph doesnt mean I dont have his best intentions in mind. Yes he is not in the best shape, but remember I didnt put him there, hes not the first nor will he be the last snake that I take in to better its life. He is underweight but not as bad as others I have seen. His scale rot is also very minor and I have no doubt will disapeer with his next shed. So please dont accuse me of not caring about his health. I can care for him and be curious of his genetics at the same time. There is nothing wrong with making future plans to breed a rescue unless that rescue has problems that breeding would affect, eg kinks etc. If I turn him around and he becomes a healthy normal bp then I will breed him. I just like to think about what could be done in the future. As for now he is reciving the best care he can get. I have taken in a number of less than healthy animals in the last few months and they are all thriving and doing way better than before I go them. And a couple of them are future breeders.

I think what he is saying is that to prove him out you would need a het axanthic or axanthic that is the same line. Breeding a possible axanthic to a normal will just give you a bunch of possible hets (they will all look normal). So there would be no way to tell if he is actually axanthic by breeding him to a normal. I mean, you could, it would just take a few breeding seasons and to be honest, you will probably end up with a lot of normals.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

I think what he is saying is that to prove him out you would need a het axanthic or axanthic that is the same line. Breeding a possible axanthic to a normal will just give you a bunch of possible hets (they will all look normal). So there would be no way to tell if he is actually axanthic by breeding him to a normal. I mean, you could, it would just take a few breeding seasons and to be honest, you will probably end up with a lot of normals.

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yes as I stated I will breed him and hold back a female and breed it back to him, This is how you proove out dinkers especially if its a reccesive gene you may have. In this case having a few normals is ok especilaly if he does proove out to be axanthic.