pam in rat enclosures?

is it ok to use pam in the tubs for rats? i already use it on the snake rack so im not concerned about them getting infested. i just wanna eliminate all possibilities of having mites on the rats.

every time i've asked for information about mites, it's always been very vague. however, i *believe* that rodent mites are different than snake mites, and one can't infest the other.

i thought that snakes get mites from the rodents bringing them in... maybe im mistaken.

is it ok to use pam in and around a rats enclosure without having any ill effects on the rodents themselves?

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Originally Posted by het.pied

i thought that snakes get mites from the rodents bringing them in... maybe im mistaken.

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You are mistaken. :)

ty for combining my threads. i accidently posted only in the rat forum when i realized i should have had it here.

but still would it be worth my while to spray down the rat rack with PAM?

Reptile mites and rodent mites are different.

I hope you do get an answer to your question. Acknowledging that they are two different kinds of mites, has anyone used PAM on the rodent kind?

I wouldn't, since pam is formulated for snakes it might make them sick. And since rodent mites and reptile mites are completely different it might be useless.

Then again bugs are bugs, I use bird protector canisters for my rat rack. It's essentially a flea/mite/lice collar in a hocky puck sized canister. You hang or set it on the cage and it repels/kills bugs before they can lay eggs and start an infestation. Like putting a flea collar on a cat but easier.

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edit: I've never had an infestation, but one lady I got some rats from had cat fleas which were all over her rats till she hung one of these.
I also rescued a batch of rats with lice recently and haven't seen any nits or itching, course I also treated with lice shampoo and extra cleaning.

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Originally Posted by truthsdeceit

I wouldn't, since pam is formulated for snakes it might make them sick. And since rodent mites and reptile mites are completely different it might be useless.

Then again bugs are bugs, I use bird protector canisters for my rat rack. It's essentially a flea/mite/lice collar in a hocky puck sized canister. You hang or set it on the cage and it repels/kills bugs before they can lay eggs and start an infestation. Like putting a flea collar on a cat but easier.

http://is7.itookthisonmyphone.com/m/..._568x426r0.jpg
http://is7.itookthisonmyphone.com/m/..._568x426r0.jpg

edit: I've never had an infestation, but one lady I got some rats from had cat fleas which were all over her rats till she hung one of these.
I also rescued a batch of rats with lice recently and haven't seen any nits or itching, course I also treated with lice shampoo and extra cleaning.

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i used to use those bird-protector things, but 8-in-1 hasn't been able to cross the US to Canada border for about 4 or 5 months.

well i decided im going to do a little experiment with the pam in rat and mice enclosures, since no one really seems to have a straight forward answer. next time i clean the enclosures im going to treat them with pam and see if it effects any of rodents in anyway.

if i remember correctly ralph davis i think uses pam around the doors of his facility and he mentioned that hell come in the morning and see dead bugs laying everywhere. so i dont believe that just because they are rodent mites that they are immune to the pam. i believe it will kill the mites i just need to see what the effects, if any, will be to my rodents.

when i get to a conclusion of this little test i will let everyone know the results and therefore bring an answer to this unanswered question :)

thank you all for your replies.

i know ralph davis uses\used it in his rat bins since he knew they had rat lice(they are no harm to the snakes but he didnt like the fact they were there)so he pamed the tubs a few times till the lice were gone. Dunno if he still does that but i know he did at one point with good results. Also if its been mentioned already thats my bad :gj:

Two things
1) we have had success with lice spray from WM for rat mites. The spray that you spray furniture with.
2) We never spray tubs that house the rats we intend to feed to the snakes. We do not want the possibility of a snake ingesting spray from the rat rubbing against the tub side.