Is anyone even trying for snows anymore?

Just a random thought I had. I saw the cypress creek sold theirs for 2500 each when he dumped a ton of stuff on kingsnake, but havent seen anymore available. Just curious, I liked the cross, was hoping to get one this year.

I have seen DH lav snows for sale, but not looking for those

Once my Het Axanthics produce for me that is one of my goals as well as Axanthic Pied.

I just think that not many people care for the combo as much as some of the newer combinations. Plus double recessives are a pain, that 1 in 16 chance is slim. :(

My DH VPI snows are breeding right now. I will be taking pics of my snow from 09 soon. If my DH female is still breeding late in the season the snow may get a chance at her.

I dont know really.. The only "snow" like BP that I even like is the polar ball and its not even a snow. IMO it looks prettier and is easier to produce being recessive to co-dom.

All you can do is just keep looking. This summer there will be some Im sure. It seems like alot of breeding plans changed over the last couple years because there were so many new morphs and combos produced/discovered.

I'm working with the TSK Snows...

Should hopefully hatch out a few this year FINALLY...

I missed last year.

I'm not sure you can count me as trying, seeing as I'm not breeding anything yet, but I definitely intend to try!

I already own a male het albino phet VPI axanthic, and know someone who has some female het VPI axanthic phet albinos that I plan on buying one as soon as I can afford it. Then I'm going to cross everything crossable, and if I don't get both of them to prove out, I may end up taking the really long road, but I'll get there some day.

More than I expected, thats for sure! I thought everyone gave up on them since there were so many other "white" snakes out there

I have to say, I am shooting for them as a double recessive to plug into everything!!!

Spiders, Pinstripes, Spinners, Womas, Clowns....

Can you imagine Snow Clowns????

WHEW!! :D

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Originally Posted by tims balls

More than I expected, thats for sure! I thought everyone gave up on them since there were so many other "white" snakes out there

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There are a lot of white snakes... but I really love the very delicate pale yellow pattern on them. I know to some people that makes them the worst white snake, "just an expensive faded albino", but I wonder how many of those people have held a snow in their hand.

Not that that means I won't want other white snakes too. I love ivories, even more than snows I think, and a pure white, blue-eyed snake sounds awfully nice too.

I agree 100%, if I had a breedable male snow, he would be WORN OUT by the end of the season! I would stick him with everything that would let him

Plus its not a "dead end" white snake so you can still get pattern morphs in the mix

I have a pair of Poss. Het snows, that are about 800g. I hope to prove them out one of these days.. years. :weirdface They got a slow start for us, but I think they are going to take off.:please:

Ive been wondering the same thing lately. Snows are awesome. Id work with or on them but Im headed down a different path as far as double recessives go.

I have a male albino 100% het jolliff axanthic going to a double het fm. I've got my fingers crossed but i know it's slim. I am also throwing him to a Jolliff axanthic fm and hope to pull a couple fm jolliff axanthics 100% het albino to grow out and better my odds. It's a long shot, but anything could happen and i've got my fingers crossed!

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

I dont know really.. The only "snow" like BP that I even like is the polar ball and its not even a snow. IMO it looks prettier and is easier to produce being recessive to co-dom.

All you can do is just keep looking. This summer there will be some Im sure. It seems like alot of breeding plans changed over the last couple years because there were so many new morphs and combos produced/discovered.

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whats a polar ball? any pics?

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Originally Posted by chago11

whats a polar ball? any pics?

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There is a discussion of polar balls and some other red eyed white snakes in this thread, as well as pics or links to pics of most of them:
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...d.php?t=112596

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

easier to produce being recessive to co-dom

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It is exactly as hard to produce a snow as a polar ball, both contain two homozygous alleles.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

It is exactly as hard to produce a snow as a polar ball, both contain two homozygous alleles.

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Actually, the double recessive is harder than a double super co-dom or a recessive super co-dom combo.

Here is why:
For the double recessive, you pretty much need to start out with 2 visual snakes (2 homozygous snakes), and cross them to make double hets. If you tried starting out with a het of each morph, you'd have no idea which babies, if any, were double hets.

For the double super co-dom, you could start out with a super of each morph (2 homozygous snakes), but you also have the option of starting out with the regular form of each morph (2 heterozygous snakes). This decreases your odds, but at least when you hit the combo, you know it.

Moving on to the next generation, you are now pairing double het with double het, or a combo with a combo. In trying to hit the double recessive, if you don't hit it, you just have to keep trying from the double hets. You'll get some that are visual for one or the other of the recessive morphs, and some of those are probably het for the other one, but you'll never know which ones.

But when you pair the co-dom combos, you might get offspring that are the super form of one gene, and the regular form of the other gene. You know which ones those are; you can see it. So if you don't hit the super co-dom combo right away, you can "upgrade" what you are working with to increase your odds of hitting the double super.

I didn't cover trying to make a recessive/super co-dom combo, but it would be halfway in between.

I've got a VPI snow and some double-hets. Great investment. Check out my pic in my photofile I can't wait to breed it with another combo of mine.