Ball Python Eating Puppies?

So, I troll craigslist, look at the pets section for fun, today I found someone with a post that said:

"There is a man out here somewhere looking for puppies to feed to his ball python and for drugs and alcohol for some odd reason, He called me earlier this morning about the ad I just recently placed on here about my puppies need new homes. So PLEASE BE AWARE of what the ppls intentions are before you decided to give animals away to ANYONE." (http://wichita.craigslist.org/pet/1582301560.html)

And then later another post...

"There is a man on here using small dogs as food for his python plz check out the home your dog or cat is going too before you give your loved ones away so they dont become snake food!!!!!!!" (http://wichita.craigslist.org/pet/1583519237.html)

I found it a little ludicrous.

Maybe I'm in the wrong but a Ball Python eating puppies? Or even someone getting dogs for food for a large snake?

Unless it was a newborn puppy a ball python couldn't eat it, and even then I doubt your average bp will want to eat the puppy.


As for someone taking in free puppies to feed a large python... I could see someone doing it, and I'm sure it has been done before. Feeding a large python isn't cheap ya know

I'm certainly not advocating taking animals under false pretenses, but the reason people feed rodents to snakes is not because rodents are in some way less worthy of life than dogs - it's because their reproductive rate is such that they present an inexpensive and readily available food source. We even feed them to animals that normally prefer other prey. If dogs could be produced on a similar budget, I wouldn't be surprised to see them looked at differently. Heck, we might even eat them ourselves - several Asian cultures do, after all.

in most cases you will go to jail if you feed dogs or cats to snakes. i am not sure the reasoning, but here in ky, a guy was arrested for feeding puppies to his burmese.

honestly, what is the difference between a snake eating a rat vs a dog?

what is the difference between a person eating a cow and a dog? heck in asian culture dog is considered fine cuisine.

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Originally Posted by redpython

What is the difference between a person eating a cow and a dog?

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Cow tastes better.

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Originally Posted by redpython

in most cases you will go to jail if you feed dogs or cats to snakes. i am not sure the reasoning, but here in ky, a guy was arrested for feeding puppies to his burmese.

honestly, what is the difference between a snake eating a rat vs a dog?

what is the difference between a person eating a cow and a dog? heck in asian culture dog is considered fine cuisine.

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rats/mice are natural food item for predator, dogs are not :)

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Cow tastes better.

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I guess you've tried dog , lol?


I think its unlikely for a ball python , but not out of the question for some of the larger snakes.
I've read posts of guys trying to obtain kittens for the their snakes , or people's pet rabbits.
so its not unheard of. I think people should refrain from doing things like this, however, as it reflects negatively on all snake owners.

I'm sure any snake owners wouldn't take kindly, someone that was going to kill their snake , if they were trying to give up the snake for adoption.

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Originally Posted by pliskin

I guess you've tried dog , lol?

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I have.

This is just ridiculous. Yes, I'm sure it has happened. But, do you think someone who was looking to get puppies, kittens, pet rabbits, etc. as food for their snake, would tell the people they were trying to adopt from? No!

What is far more likely is that the craigslist poster got a weird vibe from someone, and jumped to the conclusion that it was because the person was going to feed the puppies to snakes, when really the weird vibe was due to the person being high, or planning on using the puppies as training bait for their fighting dog, or who knows what else.

Or maybe the person does own a ball python, and the craigslist poster is so afraid/hateful of snakes that they assumed that the only reason one of those evil, crazy snake owning people would want a puppy would be to feed it to the snake. I mean, really, we all know anyone who owns a snake is not capable of loving a pet, so they would never want a puppy for the usual reasons. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by redpython

in most cases you will go to jail if you feed dogs or cats to snakes. i am not sure the reasoning, but here in ky, a guy was arrested for feeding puppies to his burmese.

honestly, what is the difference between a snake eating a rat vs a dog?

what is the difference between a person eating a cow and a dog? heck in asian culture dog is considered fine cuisine.

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Wow, I can't believe someone said this.

The difference is that rats are bred for the sole purpose of becoming feeder items. To feed an dog or cat is different in the fact that death of that animal was a needless and total disreguard for the animals intended purpose.

People keep sheep, goats, and pigs for pets you wouldn't slaughter someones pet pig and try to justify it as the same as a pig intended for meat processing..

~9 million dogs/cats are killed every year simply because there are not enough homes for them. I would argue that if the said puppies/kittens were just going to go to the pound and get euthanized anyway, I'd much rather have them go to feed another animal (or even humans in dire straits) than get dumped in a landfill. At least then, their deaths serve a purpose.

This coming from a person who used to do foster/rescue work and LOVES cats and dogs alike.

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Originally Posted by MissMowgli

~9 million dogs/cats are killed every year simply because there are not enough homes for them. I would argue that if the said puppies/kittens were just going to go to the pound and get euthanized anyway, I'd much rather have them go to feed another animal (or even humans in dire straits) than get dumped in a landfill. At least then, their deaths serve a purpose.

This coming from a person who used to do foster/rescue work and LOVES cats and dogs alike.

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It is shameful how many get euthanized; I'd much rather see them go somewhere more purposeful than the trash.

It depends on the puppy breed. What if it were a small breed dog I'm sure a snake could eat it.

Well, yeah I'm sure some people feed cats and/or dogs to large snakes. The only difference to the majority of the population is that they're more domestic and therefore more of a pet. But I've always kept rats as pets, I like them better than dogs and cats even...I find it hard to handle a rat and throw it in with the snake knowing its fate but my snake has to eat and the rat will be furthering another animal's life. I was thinking even a large Ball Python, would need new born puppies...maybe puppies if they're from those things people call teacups and what not. And how exactly would someone go to someone and say "Yeah, I'd like five of your puppies." and it not come off as something more than a simple adoption? In order to get puppies from people while lying he'd have to go around getting a new puppy every week or every couple of weeks or a large amount of them, which will rise up some suspicion but probably more than two posts (I think from the same person) trying to alert the populace. If I had a large enough snake maybe I would use puppies or kitten as a food source but I'd breed my own or at least not say I want to adopt the animal...or maybe flemish giants. And the simple fact that after the first post I emailed the person that a Ball Python doesn't get large enough to eat puppies and then a second post popped up just saying Python threw me off a little.

Sounds to me like someone just trolling to make trouble. Or someone who just beleives everything they've ever read on the net, so they'll post this sort of 'warning' to prevent anyone from allowing their precious unwanted puppies from becoming snake food, thinking they're doing a good deed.

While I can see people's points that rats can be just as loving a pet as a dog, and indeed, rats are bred exclusively for pets by some rat fanciers, there is the fact that to most of the population, rats are lab rats, or pests.. dogs are pets.

I would never ever advocate feeding any age cat to a python, as a cat could kill the reptile even if it only bit once and caused a major infection. Plus the whole "fuzzy pet" bad publicity.

I myself wouldn't feed pups or kittens to my reptiles. Just isn't a really good idea PR wise. But I also freely admit that they're just animals, and I don't think it's evil that other cultures eat dogs or cats. We eat goats and cows and chickens.. other people eat goats, but not cows.. vegans think it's evil to eat any animal. Shrug, different strokes for different folks.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

The difference is that rats are bred for the sole purpose of becoming feeder items. To feed an dog or cat is different in the fact that death of that animal was a needless and total disreguard for the animals intended purpose.

People keep sheep, goats, and pigs for pets you wouldn't slaughter someones pet pig and try to justify it as the same as a pig intended for meat processing..

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I agree My daugter wanted gunea pigs 2 years ago, recently got tired of them and i rehomed them.... My wife tried to give them to someone as retic food.... I would not let her and she got upset as she was tired of them, I asked her if I could feed her weiner dog to a gator or somethin when I got tired of him... once again she got mad, but did not seem to make the connection in what i was trying to say....

ps the gunea pigs went to a good home not for food:gj:

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Originally Posted by Pedy9970

rats/mice are natural food item for predator, dogs are not :)

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Depends on the predator.

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Originally Posted by RedDevil

Depends on the predator.

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Agreed - there are many snakes that prefer reptiles as prey, and people generally try to convert them over to eating rodents. The idea that we feed rodents to snakes because it's natural is not strictly true - for some snakes, it's natural, but for quite a lot of them, it's because it's what we find to be convenient.

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Originally Posted by pliskin

I guess you've tried dog , lol?

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I have...:gj:

can't see any problem by the use of unwanted puppies as feeder!
millions of dogs will be gassed and disposed in shelters every year, so why not make them usefull?
for any bigger snake they will make a proper meal.
why not help to reduce overpopulation instead support a cruel industry that produce masses of feeders to be selled frozen under very bad conditions?
just to say i buy frozen feeders so everythting is alright is a little to easy!:colbert:
it's like any other indusrial produced meat, the only thing that counts is profit!
so they wont give a sh*t to the animals what will causes cruel and pain to them!
it's absolute ok for the snake to eat frozen feeders, but never believe there is no cruel or pain given to them!
instead point the finger to a person that takes an objective view on this thing you better should point the finger to those that don't take proper care about the reproduction of their pets.
any good pet owner would never have needed to get of a litter of cubs!
if people don't care about their pets let breed them uncontrolled so it will be their fault.
also any person in the thinking to must breed as an hobby should have to know were the cubs will go BEFORE start breeding.
as long there is no change in their mind and they let their pets breed uncontrolled and rise the overpopulation of them i clearly say use 'em!
also these people don't need it any better than get fooled about were their pets wil go for.
they don't take proper care about them in the past, so why should they do it to their give aways in the future?
or anyone really believe they will think about them again few time after the pet has been taken away?
let them in their believe the whole world is a happy place if they are that ignorant stupid.

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can't see any problem by the use of unwanted puppies as feeder!
millions of dogs will be gassed and disposed in shelters every year, so why not make them usefull?
for any bigger snake they will make a proper meal.
why not help to reduce overpopulation instead support a cruel industry that produce masses of feeders to be selled frozen under very bad conditions?
just to say i buy frozen feeders so everythting is alright is a little to easy!:colbert:
it's like any other indusrial produced meat, the only thing that counts is profit!
so they wont give a sh*t to the animals what will causes cruel and pain to them!
it's absolute ok for the snake to eat frozen feeders, but never believe there is no cruel or pain given to them!
instead point the finger to a person that takes an objective view on this thing you better should point the finger to those that don't take proper care about the reproduction of their pets.
any good pet owner would never have needed to get of a litter of cubs!
if people don't care about their pets let breed them uncontrolled so it will be their fault.
also any person in the thinking to must breed as an hobby should have to know were the cubs will go BEFORE start breeding.
as long there is no change in their mind and they let their pets breed uncontrolled and rise the overpopulation of them i clearly say use 'em!
also these people don't need it any better than get fooled about were their pets wil go for.
they don't take proper care about them in the past, so why should they do it to their give aways in the future?
or anyone really believe they will think about them again few time after the pet has been taken away?
let them in their believe the whole world is a happy place if they are that ignorant stupid.

95% of the time, these posts are just garbage. Some nutcase seeking attention by warning people of the crazy, nasty, snake owner. Because after all, everyone knows all snakes eat not only puppies and kittens, but full grown dogs, potbelly pigs, cows, sheep and small children.

While I am sure there are a few psychopaths out there who troll the classifieds to find free snake food, by and large anyone who has taken the time and trouble to buy, house and raise a giant snake doesn't need to resort to something so asinine to feed it. Most large snake owners don't have a problem finding proper food for their snakes. The occasional report you see of one eating someone else's pet is usually the result of an accident and thankfully they are few and far between. Although to hear the media talk about it, they happen almost daily.

Gale

may you are right, but i'm also absolute sure about those cases happen much more than you would believe.
just think about people that own more than 1-2 snakes, people in the situation not having much money or just people that own a 10ft+ burmese.
for these it would be an very interesting surce for free or cheap food for sure.
do you really believe all of these people will spend much money to buy feeders while they can get it for free.
can't say what you have to pay for feeders like rabbits, piglets or goats, but i'm sure if you will have more than one snake in a size they will need those feeders it will be alot money needed to feed them.
and if you don't have that money or just want to save it, the next thing you will though about are easy to get unwanted pets offered for free or much cheaper than regular offered feeders.
as you was saying about full grown dogs, so i think why not as long you are in the mood to use 'em.
unwanted pets will come up in every size, you just have to pick the right size for your snake.
and why tell the people that give them away what you want them for?
they gave up their pets and it would only make feel them sad or anger about, so i think it's better to let them believe they will go to a new home and let them forget their pets after a short time.
i'm absolutely not hating any kind of animals or want to be cruel in any way as some may will think by my stand to this theme, i'm just have an objective and rational view at this.

Snakechow, I'm not certain if you're a troll, a PETA member or just ignorant of the majority of pet owners.

There's not droves of snake owners running around gathering unwanted pets from craigslist. Also, why do you think all feeder rodents are subjected to cruel practices? Are you one of those that think anyone who makes even a dime of profit off an animal is automatically mistreating them?

Most snake owners don't want their pets harmed by trying to feed something like a dog or cat to them. A kitten can easily kill a snake with a bite that gets infected. Remember that snakes don't have easily obtained antibiotics to heal up a wound, nor is a vet visit to obtain those drugs cheap. Why would anyone want to pay $200 for the possible vet bill in order to use one free kitten for food, when they can easily buy proper feeders for a few dollars?

Feeder rats/mice are normally gassed with CO2 which is a humane method to kill them. It's also the cheapest and easiest method of euthanizing large amounts of rodents, which is why so many use it. Furthermore, feeders are raised in as clean and roomy quarters as possible to make them produce as many feeders and gain weight/size as quickly as possible. So EVEN IF the only motive to someone who produces feeders is profit, they still want to keep them healthy to produce as best they can.

But then, you probably think every snake owner is a ravening fiend who loves to watch small animals die. You'd be wrong, but that hasn't stopped any of the other ignorant folks who continue to believe urban legends that paint us in a poor light.

You really don't know much about keeping large snakes, do you? Anyone who has invested the massive amount of time and money it takes to buy, house, raise and care for a large snake, is not going to bat an eye at food costs. That is just silly. Oh, I invested $50,000 for my new Corvette, but oil changes are expensive so I'm just going to let the hick down the block change my oil so I don't need to spend $50 to have it done right. I mean he knows what kind of oil a car like this needs right? The black kind.

There is no logic to your argument. I am sure there are a FEW people out there, who came by their snakes in a round about way and who barely meet the requirements for keeping one alive who might snag the odd rabbit or guinea pig to feed it, but to say the majority of large snake owners do it to save money is ridiculous. Tantamount to saying everyone who owns a cat goes looking for free birds on the internet to feed it. It's silly.

Not to mention that lots of snakes imprint on certain prey items. So why would any owner risk a snake imprinting on a puppy and refusing all other food? How on earth could anyone expect to find a steady source of puppies to feed? That is beyond ridiculous. They main prey items of most snakes, large and small have the distinct advantage of reproducing quickly. Rats, mice, rabbits even the odd quail for certain species, all of these animals reproduce at an alarming rate. Hence their suitability as prey items. Not to mention they are readily available to pretty much everyone.

You can go ahead and stubbornly cling to your idea of giant snake owners snatching up free puppies for snake food. The way I see it, someday they are all going to choke on the spiders who hatch in their stomach from chewing that gum laced with spider eggs.

Gale

it seems you missunderstand me!
1. my stand is not reduced to kitten and puppies, that was the headline and introduction of the thread.
2. i never was saying all snake owners would do such thing or be cruel, sick or whatever.
also never was saying most snake owners will do such things, i just was saying i have no problem with people that do such.
3. have i ever say a word that means you should feed alive?
4. the use of co2 is some kind of cruel cause the animal suffocates and it lasts some time till the it's gone.
5. i was spoken about indusrial produced feeders, and be sure thats a very nasty business.
just take a look at the prodution of our own meat, and now you really believe the production of feeders is any better than for human consumtion?
6. i eat meat by myself and also don't have any problem that it's needed to feed animals.
7. declare my stand to someting is absolutely no trolling.
8. who gives a f**k to peta, ever known they gassing shelter animals too?
9. just was trying to explain that there is absolute no rational reason not to use unwanted pets as feeders.
10. it seems you take your look at this a little to emotional.
11. there will be absolute no reason to defense the keeping of snakes as pets cause there isn't any bad by this.
12 there is absolute no reason to defense reptile owners for their feeding habits, feeding a pet isn't any bad.
i just have an objective and rational view on the things and can't see any bad by that.
every other one who will make the same should come to the same result at the end!;)

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Originally Posted by snakechow

can't say what you have to pay for feeders like rabbits, piglets or goats, but i'm sure if you will have more than one snake in a size they will need those feeders it will be alot money needed to feed them.
and if you don't have that money or just want to save it, the next thing you will though about are easy to get unwanted pets offered for free or much cheaper than regular offered feeders.

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Incase you were unaware.
Rabbits tend to breed like......... well RABBITS.
That is why we use that saying. So, abundant feeders are not a problem, even for large snakes.

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Originally Posted by snakechow

it seems you missunderstand me!
1. my stand is not reduced to kitten and puppies, that was the headline and introduction of the thread.
2. i never was saying all snake owners would do such thing or be cruel, sick or whatever.
also never was saying most snake owners will do such things, i just was saying i have no problem with people that do such.
3. have i ever say a word that means you should feed alive?
4. the use of co2 is some kind of cruel cause the animal suffocates and it lasts some time till the it's gone.
5. i was spoken about indusrial produced feeders, and be sure thats a very nasty business.
just take a look at the prodution of our own meat, and now you really believe the production of feeders is any better than for human consumtion?
6. i eat meat by myself and also don't have any problem that it's needed to feed animals.
7. declare my stand to someting is absolutely no trolling.
8. who gives a f**k to peta, ever known they gassing shelter animals too?
9. just was trying to explain that there is absolute no rational reason not to use unwanted pets as feeders.
10. it seems you take your look at this a little to emotional.
11. there will be absolute no reason to defense the keeping of snakes as pets cause there isn't any bad by this.
12 there is absolute no reason to defense reptile owners for their feeding habits, feeding a pet isn't any bad.
i just have an objective and rational view on the things and can't see any bad by that.
every other one who will make the same should come to the same result at the end!;)

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So let me get this straight, you say CO2 is cruel...have you ever actually used this method? It is suffocating said rat, but they are gone in about 5-10 seconds at most (I've never seen one last for than that). This method, and cervical dislocation are the only two methods that are approved as humane. Have you toured the rat facilities at RodentPro? Layne Labs? Any other large feeder source? I'm going to guess that would be a no. Therefore, the only reasoning you have behind they are cruel and in terrible conditions is your wild imaginations.

I would never use anyone's pet as a feeder. Whether it be a dog/cat, or a rat. They are looking to REHOME their loved pets, and if they are using craigslist or other classifieds sites, obviously they are trying to avoid putting the animal down / humane societies. So no, it is not right for people to snag up pets to feed off, it's wrong. Not that the snake could eat them, but it is wrong to lie to people about their pets and give the facade that you actually give a crap about their animal's life, or are willing to give them a good home.

and you really believe in this 10 seconds the feeder don't feel any panic or agony, and who can guarantie that their mind isn't working anymore just because the heart and lungs stop to work?
i don't think so!
but by the way that isn't the point at all cause it's simply nessesary.
the other point you talking about is worth a thought for sure.
at adult animals you surely will be right, but if anyone ever had a litter of cub to get of then i don't think so.
as i was saying those people have done something wrong while keeping their pets proper!
they have not care about their pets corectly in the past, how else they would get a surprising litter of cubs?
if you don't have places for them before your pets will breed you will have produced unwanted pets that rise the overpopulation!
it's just stupid to believe to find good homes for all of them!
or what do you believe why there will be that much animals in the shelters?
and the thing that pi**ed me off most at this is that these people don't will lern about their fault and don't will neuter their pets afer the first litter was done.
so it is just a question of time when they will get the next surprising litter!
so why the hell should they have any right to know about what you want them for?
can't agree with you at this.

I'm thinking ignorance and troll.

First, CO2 is humane. It puts the animal to sleep and then they die. They do not suffer agony and they only suffocate(as you put it) after they are asleep. Have you ever watched the process? I have. They walk around and then lay down or all over and there's no struggling and no indication of distress.

But then, you know so much better from all your inner knowledge. From where again?

And again the Big Producers show their facilities and they DO take great care of the breeders and of the feeders for the SAME reason I stated. They live in clean housing, are watered and fed properly so they produce and grow well.

It annoys me to no end to see ignorant people spouting off lies they pick up from HSUS/PETA type groups. Especially when they are presented with facts from people who have first hand experience who refute it with facts and they STILL cling to the junk and lies.

The people are finding homes for the pets. An "accidental" litter is by very label an "accident" and can happen a million ways. It's not a good thing but a lot of people come by their beloved pets that way. If you think that shelter overpopulation is because of over-breeding, you're sadly mistaken and if you look for the truth you'll find it.

And if you don't think it's feeding live, how EXACTLY do you think they're being put down? You can't use CO2 gas on something larger than a rodent. But it's okay, and it happens "all the time" or "more often that we thinK" because YOU say so.

Right. Go troll with your misinformation on Craigslist. You're probably one of those that run about flagging everything and posting that everyone just wants the pets to feed their monsters and inflames the public about responsible herp keepers in the first place.

I can't even get my burms to eat rabbits, they simply don't recognize them as food. They've never eaten anything other then frozen rats and I doubt I could even get them to accept another food source.

The idea of snake keepers feeding puppies and kittens is insane. I know a LOT of large snake keepers and it just doesn't happen, I'm sure there are a few idiots out there that will try but they're not the kind of people I'd want to be around whether they keep snakes or not.

Man, is it just me or does it seem that there are a lot of AR people coming out of the woodwork to troll this place?

It's wrong in my eyes because these people are not selling/rehoming these animals as food, I would never go on craigslist get a mouse/rabbit someone was selling as a pet, then feed it to my snake. I had a rabbit as a pet when i was a kid, I know how attached people get to them, same with mice, I have friends who love their pet mice.
These puppies are meant to be pets, not food. Also like other people are saying, I'm not sure puppies are a natural food source, so I'm surprised the python would even eat it.

There are always "Beware!" warnings on Craigslist about one thing or another. I've always got the feeling PETA was behind them since they think people shouldn't "use" animals for anything including pets. Not just exotics either, cats, dogs, goldfish, all animals. That being said, back in the 90's I know of two guys who worked at a pet store near me that did this. They fed kittens, puppies, birds, unwanted reptiles (to monitors). I never really believed them until after they quit, another employee told me they weren't joking. It made me sick to my stomach. You think a Burm wouldn't do this? Remember a few months ago, the Youtube video from England of a guy feeding a live kitten to his Burm on his bed? I never heard if the authorities ever tracked him down, but they were looking for him.

the guy with the kitten on the bed is named luca magnotta and he was caught!
but not becasue he was fed the kitten as some aninmal activists wanted for, he has hunted down by the police cause he has killed a friend of him an was sending parts of the killed friend to politicans and other authorities.
he was a very sick guy!
and that was you was saying about your local petstore is an absolute common practice at them to get of pets that stay a while to long in the store.
a petstore is just a business that needs to take care about the running costs so they just compare two things.
get of pets that are to old, some kind of ill and mostly never would be sold and feed some reptiles to save money for feeders for an pet that surely will be sold and bring in some good amount of money.
that is no other than objective and rational thinking.

Nope these guys were acting on their own. They were "rescueing" people's unwanted pets and using them as feeders. The store did not sell dogs and cats. Don't know where you're from or if you're just a troll, but it's not acceptable in the US. I know most in Germany have your attitude. If you read the old book, Non-Venomous Snakes (can't remember the author's name, I think it's a TFH book) the author is from Germany and he comments on the feeding habits of each species and he mentions that his African Rock Pythons would even eat dogs. But then Germany also looks the other way on smuggling too. They even give out import/export permits for the animals with no questions. That's how we have alot of the captive bred from Europe Australian reptiles.

may these guys were acting by her own, but i know for sure that the use of own pets as feeders is absolutely an regular thing at petsores.
i saw this by my self more than once!
our local petstore feed the reptiles on saturday close to their closing time, may yours will do this after the doors was locked.
will do you ever known what happens after closing time?
i don't think that these is a question in what country you live and what the laws will say about.
or what do you think were the unsellable pets will go?
also if you want to buy live feeders they took them out of the same display as the ones you want to buy as pet.
the only difference is the price, feeders will be some cheaper than pets.
so if you want a pet and don't need to care about the sex just say you need a feeder and you will get 25% of, and you still can chose wich one you want cause the color prefers of some snakes.
and once again i don't want to troll in any way, i just say my thinking about and that what i know.
if this is trolling then i will be one.
just wondering about the irrational view of most here.
do you really believe that every business around reptiles is that ideal you are saying?
every business has a bad side, no matter animlals involved or not!

i see two reasons why this is nonsense:

1.: Economically it makes no sense, because dogs and cats eat meat. Also they reproduce very slowly compared to alternatives. Economically rhodents and chicks make sense, because rhodents reproduce very fast and gain weight very fast. And chicks are produced in massive quantities, and then sexed, for females that produce infertile eggs (and later on lower-quality meat) for us to eat and for males that produce meat for us to eat, so with the right connections they can be obtained dirt-cheap because of wrong gender, wrong timing, or wrong quality.

2.: Newborn kittens and puppies have an overall size and skull size that would hardly make a fitting meal for a ball python, in many cases impossible. Many breeds of dogs will have as puppies a skull size IMPOSSIBLE for a ball python to handle.

Thats the reptile side of it.

Now the kitten and puppy side of it. In pedigree breeding for shows, for cats or dogs, the hardcore breeders agree: culling is part of the business. (or, to quote a famous ball python breeder talking on a radio show, in the context of lethal BP morphs, paraphrasing: "So far, this breeding season i have 6 pearls in the freezer.") Maybe thats what this is about. Ridgeless ridgebacks, dog and cat pedigree-breeding creating incest waste.


on the specific case, i think its a crazy person that has some kind of fetish and is looking for cheap barely-alive mammals for whatever, ritualistic cooking & eating or worse. And he puts in ANY snake just to make sure he only gets replies from people that are totally free of any emotional attachment to the animal, and dont care what happens. And because he knows nothing about snakes, he put in ball python instead of burmese python or reticulated python, he doesnt know, just picked something "nasty" that eats stuff, maybe his final choice was between "ball python" and "white crockodyle[sic]".

Also on the specific case, maybe it was a setup by some animal rights group or "journalist" or "documentary filmmaker". Anyway, this specific case just seems too cheesy, too awkward, too unusual. It raises red flags.

My general advice: Stay away from people and/or offers that appear bat:cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: crazy, or out of touch with reality, or illegal, or somehow perverted. Just ignore those (or, if possible or necessary, maybe even report those).

sure you are right with ball pythons and in the case that someone ever would have the stupid idea to breed cats and dogs specially for this purpose!
but that was never an intention by me.
may some persons on cl have some other strange interest for doing this but i also think there will be some people that only will need cheap food for her rock or brumese for sure.
and i 'm also think the people that add those warnings on cl never had any contact with those snake owners, cause who the hell would be that stupid to tell them he want their pets as feeders?
they just have read about some internet postings were people claim to do this or something like this.
but be sure there are people out there that have done it, i saw the pics about!

I sadly can say my redtail boa tried to kill and eat one of m mother's cats back in the day. but then again she was eating 3 lb rabbits and still acting hungry. but was puppy dog tame to people. I think the main issues was cause the cats would try to use her cages as a large litter box when I had her outside for a stretch and roaming time. ( hard to close a door when you got 9 ft of snake in your arms lol) but I was forced to rehome her between this issue and the fact I could not pick her up well with my knees giving out due to the cerebral pasley. I wish I never got rid of her some days.

you handle a 9ft snake alone???
that is just stupid!
i don't know that much about such large snakes, but that what i know about is you should never handle such a big one alone.
best, saying by experts for these snakes, is to have at least 1 person for every 4ft lenght by your side for handling to avoid any accident!

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you handle a 9ft snake alone???
that is just stupid!
i don't know that much about such large snakes, but that what i know about is you should never handle such a big one alone.
best, saying by experts for these snakes, is to have at least 1 person for every 4ft lenght by your side for handling to avoid any accident!

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You really shouldn't be calling people stupid if you have no experience with them yourself. 9ft is not that large.

as all i have read about 9ft it's potetial deadly for adult humans!
also i don't have say he is stupid!
i have saing the handle is stupid!
may this is the false word for and i should had saying dangerous or inexpect.
just take a look at this http://www.anapsid.org/nyburm.html, it'only 4 ft longer.
be sure i never would like to have a 9ft snake wraped around me as long ther is no one ther who could help me!

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone else see the idiocy in people's thought process when they put something like "not for snake food!" in their CL ads? I mean, do they really not realize that the ad will now come up EVERY TIME someone searches for "snake" or "snake food"?!?!

Add: snakechow, PLEASE disregard anything you ever read on anapsid.org. The information is, shall we say, misinformed at best!

well this 9ft long snake was in my book an overgrown ball python I never had any issues with her of any type outside the cat(s) of my mothers . that and my cp making it a littler harder to get her out of the floor ( cage ) I had built.
then again I am know for going out and going oh hey a snake and pick up something like a copperhead without a second thought. I miss that boa .

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as all i have read about 9ft it's potetial deadly for adult humans!
also i don't have say he is stupid!
i have saing the handle is stupid!
may this is the false word for and i should had saying dangerous or inexpect.
just take a look at this http://www.anapsid.org/nyburm.html, it'only 4 ft longer.
be sure i never would like to have a 9ft snake wraped around me as long ther is no one ther who could help me!

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All I've read is that trolls who don't know anything about a subject should not start flailing their false opinion around, calling people with actual experience stupid.

Are you sure you're not a PETA member? "Oh I KNOW that a 9 ft snake would wrap you up and kill you!" "People feed puppies to their ball pythons way more often than you think!" "I have seen pet stores feeding pets to the snakes!" (even though with all the hundreds of folks on here with a LOT of experience over many many decades say no... it's odd that YOU are the one who has all "personal" experience witnessing so many things that no one else EVER has... hmmm) Your "personal experience" seems to be gleaned from really lousy oft-proven-false websites and urban legends that grade-schoolers tell each other.

Where's the post from you about how my cornsnake will eat my baby? I'm just certain that'll be next. Or that all the alligator owners drive to NYC to release them into the sewers... or maybe that all the burm owners across the US drive down to the Everglades and all the burms there are released pets?

If you're going to show a lot of ignorance, the least you could do for us is put all your ignorant speeches into one post so they don't keep popping up randomly. It would make it so much easier on everyone if they could just refute all the BS at once and get it out of the way.

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Originally Posted by snakechow

you handle a 9ft snake alone???
that is just stupid!
i don't know that much about such large snakes, but that what i know about is you should never handle such a big one alone.
best, saying by experts for these snakes, is to have at least 1 person for every 4ft lenght by your side for handling to avoid any accident!

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Originally Posted by snakechow

as all i have read about 9ft it's potetial deadly for adult humans!
also i don't have say he is stupid!
i have saing the handle is stupid!
may this is the false word for and i should had saying dangerous or inexpect.
just take a look at this http://www.anapsid.org/nyburm.html, it'only 4 ft longer.
be sure i never would like to have a 9ft snake wraped around me as long ther is no one ther who could help me!

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Did you just quote Melissa Kraplan as an "expert"?

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Originally Posted by snakechow

as all i have read about 9ft it's potetial deadly for adult humans!
also i don't have say he is stupid!
i have saing the handle is stupid!
may this is the false word for and i should had saying dangerous or inexpect.
just take a look at this http://www.anapsid.org/nyburm.html, it'only 4 ft longer.
be sure i never would like to have a 9ft snake wraped around me as long ther is no one ther who could help me!

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Lmao. Your source is Anapsid?! That is the worst place to get reptile info. It is highly inaccurate and gives dangerous advice.

You, a person who admits to not knowing about these animals, are telling the experienced keepers of these snakes what's wrong and isn't wrong just because you 'read' something on the internet? Because you know, the internet is always correct....:rolleyes:
Or perhaps it was Animal Planet? ....Excuse me, I mean Human Mammal Planet.



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Did you just quote Melissa Kraplan as an "expert"?

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LOL
Exactly what I was thinking

the link was the very first that appeard by my quick search, sorry if that source is an odd!
but that about snakes over 9ft you shoudend handle alone can you read on nearly every carecheet about.
and also on sites were care personal of zoos and other people tha handle large snakes tell about.
may it wont be that big problem a 9ft snake is coiling around your body, but what if she coils around your neck?
just a thought about this!
don't know how i could proof that the things going on at our local petstore will happen for real, but i swear it's the truth.
if you mean with PETA People Eat Tasty Animals you will be right, should you mean these strange people with the suspect thinking and doings yo are wrong!
i 'm also willing to learn, so give me your knowledge if i' m wrong with something.
but what me makes wonder about is that nearly all here wont accept that there will be alot bad things that happen around reptiles.
i never was saying any of you will do any of this and i 'm absolutely sure most reptile owner are good persons that try their very best to do everything to avoid any bad!
but there will be enough others out there that wont do so.
and to believe every petstore or big professional breeder will do all alright and do not harm any law is some kind of ignorant.
when you run a business you will do nearly everything to make a good amount in most cases.
as i was saying before, just take a look at our own meat and how that will be produced in most cases.
and at petstores it will begin that they keep 20-30 lizzards like anoles or gekkos that should kept alone together in one tank.
so there will be many of them that will dying during permanent stress, but it will work cause if they buy a bigger amount of the they will be that cheap they don't have to care about nearly the half of them never will be sold.
same with breeding the more you breed the less you need to care about that some of them get ill and dying.
proper care and keeping will cost more than you will lost by dying of a various number of animals.
that's a fact!
business is to make money no less no more.
there will be only a very few the care about the animal have a higher stand than the money.
and these mostly will have problems to survive cause they have higher prices.
i clearly say not everyone is doing this that bad but the most for sure!
believe it or not, it's just sad if you don't see this.

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the link was the very first that appeard by my quick search, sorry if that source is an odd!
but that about snakes over 9ft you shoudend handle alone can you read on nearly every carecheet about.
and also on sites were care personal of zoos and other people tha handle large snakes tell about.
may it wont be that big problem a 9ft snake is coiling around your body, but what if she coils around your neck?
just a thought about this!
don't know how i could proof that the things going on at our local petstore will happen for real, but i swear it's the truth.
if you mean with PETA People Eat Tasty Animals you will be right, should you mean these strange people with the suspect thinking and doings yo are wrong!
i 'm also willing to learn, so give me your knowledge if i' m wrong with something.
but what me makes wonder about is that nearly all here wont accept that there will be alot bad things that happen around reptiles.
i never was saying any of you will do any of this and i 'm absolutely sure most reptile owner are good persons that try their very best to do everything to avoid any bad!
but there will be enough others out there that wont do so.
and to believe every petstore or big professional breeder will do all alright and do not harm any law is some kind of ignorant.
when you run a business you will do nearly everything to make a good amount in most cases.
as i was saying before, just take a look at our own meat and how that will be produced in most cases.
and at petstores it will begin that they keep 20-30 lizzards like anoles or gekkos that should kept alone together in one tank.
so there will be many of them that will dying during permanent stress, but it will work cause if they buy a bigger amount of the they will be that cheap they don't have to care about nearly the half of them never will be sold.
same with breeding the more you breed the less you need to care about that some of them get ill and dying.
proper care and keeping will cost more than you will lost by dying of a various number of animals.
that's a fact!
business is to make money no less no more.
there will be only a very few the care about the animal have a higher stand than the money.
and these mostly will have problems to survive cause they have higher prices.
i clearly say not everyone is doing this that bad but the most for sure!
believe it or not, it's just sad if you don't see this.

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Where are you from?
No offense, but I honestly could not understand more than half of the things you were trying to say. It was difficult to comprehend...
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But about the zoo thing (which was the only part I was able to fully understand). A lot of people here and in our community are more knowledgeable than some zoo keepers and/or have more reptiles than most zoo collections. Just something to think about. I'm not saying everyone is an expert, but some of these keepers have been handling these reptiles for 10, 20, 30, 40+ years. Yes, large constrictors have the potential to be dangerous. But you're preaching about a subject you have very little knowledge on.