How do you seperate locked snakes?

I have a pair of Mojaves that are locked right now and someone is coming over to borrow the male. I dont want to yank them apart for fear of screwing up the male's junk. I tried moving them around slightly to get them to move but they seem uninterested in me.

You don't!!!

I wouldnt touch them at ALL it can seriously damage the males penes. I know some people that have pulled the male out not seeing that they are locked and it screwed up his penes and he couldnt breed. So let them do their thing.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

You don't!!!

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x2!!!

Why are You loaning a male You're still breeding?

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

x2!!!

Why are You loaning a male You're still breeding?

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I was wondering the same thing. :confused:

Hi,

And exactly how does that jibe with good quarantine procedures? :confused:

If he borrows your male and exposes it to another snake then you should put the male into a 30-90 day quarantine period in another room - I suspect you were not planning on doing that in the middle of breeding season with one of your morph males. :rolleyes:

In future I would advise you don't pair up any animal you may need to more in the next 24-48 hours to avoid this problem.

But in this case his lock potentially stopped you losing a load of your collection to disease.


dr del

Not a good idea. :colbert:

I agree with everyone else. Even barely touching one of the animals could cause them to move quickly and ball up, and this would tare the males penes. Do not disturb them at all. Your friend needs to wait till the male is finished. They usually only lock up for a few days at a time then take a break. Durring the break is when you remove the male. I also share snakes with my best friend. With do projects together. I work with his animals on a everyother day basis so I know the status of his animals. This would be the only way I would by pass the quarintine process. I know his animals are healthy and he knows mine are healthy.

Matt

For some odd reason i just got a sharp pain in my midsection! Leave your "breeding" snakes be. stick around here, you'll learn quite a bit about these fascinating creatures.......

I left them alone. And quarintine is not necessary since all the snakes originated from my house and recieve the best care.

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Originally Posted by Reediculous

For some odd reason i just got a sharp pain in my midsection! Leave your "breeding" snakes be. stick around here, you'll learn quite a bit about these fascinating creatures.......

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:rofl:

I was thinking the same thing....even though I have no idea...never bred my snakes yet.

But imagine this...jolly green giant yanking you when you are in the "lovin" mode. :weirdface

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Originally Posted by Darkice

I left them alone. And quarintine is not necessary since all the snakes originated from my house and recieve the best care.

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You never purchased snakes from anyone else?

The person that owns the snakes that came from your home didn't buy any snakes elsewhere? He didn't go to ANY reptile shows in his lifetime?

All it takes is for him to go to a show, pick up a nice boa, leave the show empty handed, and not wash his hands when he goes to handle his animals.

Also male hemipenes have little spines on them that could severely injure the internal females organs and the male himself if they were forced apart or startled.

Wtf! pull them apart & rip his penes off:O,come on really! leave them alone!

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

You never purchased snakes from anyone else?

The person that owns the snakes that came from your home didn't buy any snakes elsewhere? He didn't go to ANY reptile shows in his lifetime?

All it takes is for him to go to a show, pick up a nice boa, leave the show empty handed, and not wash his hands when he goes to handle his animals.

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The only snake i bought in the last 3 years was a Male lesser. And the only snakes my friend has are from me. We are partners in a small business and swap snakes back and forth all the time. Why is everyone coming down on me because i asked a simple question about separating snakes? I understand its not possible now.

Just because its something none of us would EVER, EVER, EVER consider doing. I would never want to pull any animals out of a lock cause you WILL mess stuff up. I'm really suprised you thought about pulling them apart...

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Originally Posted by Darkice

The only snake i bought in the last 3 years was a Male lesser. And the only snakes my friend has are from me. We are partners in a small business and swap snakes back and forth all the time. Why is everyone coming down on me because i asked a simple question about separating snakes? I understand its not possible now.

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Because the fact you are breeding these animals with such obvious holes in your knowledge of their care and husbandry may worry/upset a few people who care anything at all for the welfare of animals.

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*Watches on as many people put you on their "never buy a reptile from" list.*

This quote here:

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Originally Posted by Darkice

The only snake i bought in the last 3 years was a Male lesser. And the only snakes my friend has are from me. We are partners in a small business and swap snakes back and forth all the time. Why is everyone coming down on me because i asked a simple question about separating snakes? I understand its not possible now.

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And then all this nonsense in YOUR sig. would suggest you are full of something.

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Not posting numbers. Changes too much.
Redtailed boas (Breeding)
Rhacodactylus Leachianus (Breeding)
Ball pythons (Breeding when they grow up)
mississippi Map turtle (Pet)
Russian Tortoise (Pet)
Bearded Dragons (Breeding)
African Soft Furred Rats (Breeding)

HELP ME! I cant stop buying Ball Pythons.

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Originally Posted by mason

Because the fact you are breeding these animals with such obvious holes in your knowledge of their care and husbandry may worry/upset a few people who care anything at all for the welfare of animals.

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*Watches on as many people put you on their "never buy a reptile from" list.*

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All i did was ask a simple question on a subject i didn't know. I just wanted ti know if there was a trick to seperating them. And there isn't any. I have been breeding reptiles for over 30 years so dont start flaming me. To me its just a hobby. But a hobby that pays for itself. There was no reason to flip out on me and threaten me with never buying my reptiles agin. Sorry if i offended anyone one with a simple question. hasus decristo.
Maybe this place isn't for me then.
Good bye.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

You never purchased snakes from anyone else?

The person that owns the snakes that came from your home didn't buy any snakes elsewhere? He didn't go to ANY reptile shows in his lifetime?

All it takes is for him to go to a show, pick up a nice boa, leave the show empty handed, and not wash his hands when he goes to handle his animals.

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Does this mean we have to qt ourselves from our animals after every reptile show and all visitors that may have possibly been around other herps in their lives? Seems a bit ridiculous to me. I personally would never loan my animals to anyone though. I get your point, but it seems a little out of context.

Also...I think the OP gets it now. It was a simple question with a simple answer. Sure...we may have seen it as a dumb question, but now he knows. Asking and reading is how we learn things. At least he asked before injuring the animals. Give him SOME credit for that much.

whats fishy is youve been breeding reptiles for 30 years but you dont know that you cant separate them during a lock. :colbert:

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Originally Posted by BallsUnlimited

whats fishy is youve been breeding reptiles for 30 years but you dont know that you cant separate them during a lock. :colbert:

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What's not fishy is that i have been breeding lizards for 30 years and only in the last 3 years got into ball pythons. I don't have this problem with lizards. they get in and get out. My pythons seem to stay locked for days at a time.
I was putting them in the new racks i got yesterday and had to put a pair of snakes in one tub for about 10 min. when i opened the tub they were locked together. My partner who has half my snakes was going to bring my male mojave over to his house. Why does everyone care where and who i keep my snakes with?
After asking here if it was possible to separate snakes i found out there are no tricks to you just leave them and so i did.
What i don't like is all the speculating and flaming going on when people ask questions and its not just me. It happens all the time. Its the reason i'm leaving this forum.
Most people on this site are really helpful but there is always that 10% that are not.
I ask a simple question and everyone starts blaming and speculating like they know whats going on at my house.

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Originally Posted by Darkice

All i did was ask a simple question on a subject i didn't know. I just wanted ti know if there was a trick to seperating them. And there isn't any. I have been breeding reptiles for over 30 years so dont start flaming me. To me its just a hobby. But a hobby that pays for itself. There was no reason to flip out on me and threaten me with never buying my reptiles agin. Sorry if i offended anyone one with a simple question. hasus decristo.
Maybe this place isn't for me then.
Good bye.

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No one has threatened you, and can you not see what is wrong with not knowing these"simple things" BEFORE you start breeding them?

No one can know everything before they begin but someone who has been keeping and breeding ANY kind of animal for 30 or even 3 years (reptile or otherwise) should know that during breeding things need leaving alone and not treating like objects.

Like I said, no threats have been made, sometimes one post is enough to know you wouldn't touch any animal produced by a certain person with a barge-pole. I was just giving you my best guess that this was exactly the type of 'self inflicted gunshot wound to the foot' that you've just achieved in your first post. :gj:


Reading any one of the fine books, caresheets and web-pages available on royal python husbandry and breeding would have answered this "simple" question for you, never mind your 30 years experience keeping and breeding reptiles!

I have neither 'flipped out' nor 'threatened' you, just reacted as an animal lover when confronted with someone who perhaps should consider pet rocks.


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Originally Posted by Darkice

What's not fishy is that i have been breeding lizards for 30 years and only in the last 3 years got into ball pythons. I don't have this problem with lizards. they get in and get out. My pythons seem to stay locked for days at a time.
I was putting them in the new racks i got yesterday and had to put a pair of snakes in one tub for about 10 min. when i opened the tub they were locked together. My partner who has half my snakes was going to bring my male mojave over to his house. Why does everyone care where and who i keep my snakes with?
After asking here if it was possible to separate snakes i found out there are no tricks to you just leave them and so i did.
What i don't like is all the speculating and flaming going on when people ask questions and its not just me. It happens all the time. Its the reason i'm leaving this forum.
Most people on this site are really helpful but there is always that 10% that are not.
I ask a simple question and everyone starts blaming and speculating like they know whats going on at my house.

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For future reference people "care" about how and where you keep your snakes because it helps them decide if you are worth buying animals off in such a competative market. Why buy off somone whose husbandry and practices makes them much more at risk from illness and disease when they can buy off someone who is know forkeeping a good clean house,producing healthy animals and having strict QT procedures.

Believe it or not people do care where there snakes worth hundreds and thousands of dollars come from!


People like the opportunity to dodge a bad buy, thats all.

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Originally Posted by demjor19

Does this mean we have to qt ourselves from our animals after every reptile show and all visitors that may have possibly been around other herps in their lives?

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In a sense - yes. You should come home from reptile shows and head straight for the shower and a change of clothes before you expose yourself to any of your collection.

And of course, if you take animals to any show if you're vending, it makes good common sense to quarantine your animals just as you would any new addition when they return from the show.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

In a sense - yes. You should come home from reptile shows and head straight for the shower and a change of clothes before you expose yourself to any of your collection.

And of course, if you take animals to any show if you're vending, it makes good common sense to quarantine your animals just as you would any new addition when they return from the show.

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I was about to add the same.

I vend at UK shows and both my partner and I do the following when we get back from a show:

Any new animals get treated for mites and checked over then go into QT away from the main collection.

We shower and change clothes (you almost ALWAYS bring home mites when you spend all day at a show, sad but true, and I don't mean on your animals!)

We do not do any work with our collection for the rest of that day (ie no entry to the snake room and no feeding hatchlings.

Its far from perfect, but it's all we can do. We are home based hobbiest breeders, not blessed with two seperate facilities for QT and the main collection.

I think it is pretty obvious the OP underestimated entirely how seriously some keepers take it.

Couple all this with being very picky about who you buy from and what you buy from them, keeping the animals clean,well fed and watered and you protect yourself as best you can from the many bad things that can potentially harm your collection.