Banded Morhps ???

Hello everyone!
I just wanted to know if some of you have any knowledge of the so-called "Banded" Ball Python. I have included some pictures of mine and just would like to know things like is it co-dom, recessive, Dominant? And any other cool facts, Thanks !:taz:

http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/DSC01073.jpg
http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/DSC01074.jpg
http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/DSC01997.jpg

I wasn't aware there was a genetic banded morph, thought it was one of the many patterns normals come in.

Its genetic in the way that it can be passed to babies just like any pattern can, but not all the babies would look like that so it is not genetic in the sense that it can be replicated consistantly with every breeding and every baby (if 2 "banded" were bred together)

I think the only truly banded morphs are the womaballs and tiger (desert x enchi) IMO

Hi,

I think there is a morph called genetic banded.

What I don't know is what the markers are to distinguish it from a normal with a banded pattern - I think it was co-dom.

I'll try and find some info on it later if my broadband stops misbehaving.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ic-banded.html

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/co...all_python.asp

http://imageevent.com/livingartrepti...=0&w=1&s=0&z=9


dr del

Yes That's it !!!
I could not remember what the breeder called it, I found it was a unique morph and simply bought it. She specializes in Tigers and this is what she told me this morph was!
So the tiger is a desert X enchi. I thought it was just some unique normal lol!

Hi,

No I don't think it's a combination of any other morphs - just that the genetic ones are a base morph themselves.

But you have to remember what's called a tiger in Europe is different to what is called a tiger in America. It's one of those silly times when two different things share the same name.

Confused the heck out of me at first (and still does on occasions ).


dr del

Oh Alright, So it may be a reduced normal ?

Hi,

Basically yes.

But some are genetic and some aren't so it's important to trust the breeder etc.

I think there should be some good pics of the european tigers on this site;

http://www.ms-reptilien.de/index.php?cPath=3_15_16_462


dr del

Hi,

I just remembered Rabernet has a joliffe tiger - there are some pics in this thread;

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=56126

You can see the differences bnetween the "desert x enchi" quite clearly;

http://albeysreptiles.com/images/des...hi_tiger_1.jpg


dr del

Both of my Albinos are banded. It took forever to find a female that was banded. I don't know if it's genetic. I do like my banded albinos, they look really clean and seem to have a more solid yellow coloring.

Jim Smith

I have three lines of genetic bandeds (Tigers). One of our lines is the European line(link was already posted) that's Stephan Broghammer's line of Tigers. The other line is nothing special they are genetic as they pass on their banding but it's nothing to write home about. The third line was proved co-dom by Connie @pythonica(now Toronto Python Gurus) back in 2007. The interesting part is their is a Super form, we called this line the Diesels I will post you links to other threads about them and to our website to give you more info on them.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...d.php?t=111041

http://torontopythongurus.webs.com/exclusivemorphs.htm

Based on the pictures it looks most like our Oscar Banded line, it's not as clean as the other bandeds but they have that blushing along the spine like yours. Stephan's line (Banana Tiger)is a little more yellow and the Diesels are super clean no freckles or dots in the banding, yours have freckles and dots in the banding, still a nice looking snake and the best way to find out if it is genetic is to prove it out ;)

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Based on the pictures it looks most like our Oscar Banded line, it's not as clean as the other bandeds. Stephan's line (Banana Tiger)is a little more yellow and the Diesels are super clean no freckles or dots in the banding, yours have freckles and dots in the banded, still a nice looking snake and the best way to find out if it is genetic is to prove it out ;)

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Alright thank you soo much for your help!
I remember connie showing me one the "bandeds" (the one shown in thread) offspring. I think she said it was an orange ghost. Im not 100% sure about that though but the offspring was very light coloured brown. Almost an orange colour.

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Originally Posted by A.S_Reptillions

Alright thank you soo much for your help!
I remember connie showing me one the "bandeds" (the one shown in thread) offspring. I think she said it was an orange ghost. Im not 100% sure about that though but the offspring was very light coloured brown. Almost an orange colour.

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The orange is the PD line it's on the website too, we do have some Diesel Het Ghost Hypos and some Diesel Het Albinos but they are still young . . .no problem with the help, let me know how the breeding season goes and what she produces ;)

If I'm not mistaken Casey Lazik, of reptilia.com, in Washington State, has a line of genetic banded which he calls "Lazik Tigers". Though as I understand, he hasn't quite proved out all the genetics yet.

http://reptilia.com/index.php?option...d=33&Itemid=30

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

I wasn't aware there was a genetic banded morph, thought it was one of the many patterns normals come in.

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I have a Jolliff line tiger (banded animal). My male also produced one tiger female this past season, and the others were extremely busy patterned. The tiger stuck out like the black sheep in the family.

Jolliff has proven his line genetic. See the thread that Derek posted below.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Its genetic in the way that it can be passed to babies just like any pattern can, but not all the babies would look like that so it is not genetic in the sense that it can be replicated consistantly with every breeding and every baby (if 2 "banded" were bred together)

I think the only truly banded morphs are the womaballs and tiger (desert x enchi) IMO

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Enchi's by themselves are banded. And there are some genetic bandeds (tigers) of different lines.

I also have a non-genetic banded female who throws busy patterned babies. She CH, and not from a proven line of genetic tigers.

The tigers (not to be confused with the desert/enchi tigers) CAN be replicated consistently, and at least the Jolliff line is at least dominant (similar to a pinstripe) in that it throws tigers and normals.

Both Zaphod and his daughter (I need a name) have a different looking "texture" to their color than normals do as well. They're lighter colored with a "soft" look to them.

Wow, I didn't know those other tigers were genetic. Thats pretty cool.

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Originally Posted by Bleepr

If I'm not mistaken Casey Lazik, of reptilia.com, in Washington State, has a line of genetic banded which he calls "Lazik Tigers". Though as I understand, he hasn't quite proved out all the genetics yet.

http://reptilia.com/index.php?option...d=33&Itemid=30

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You're correct, he's not totally sure whether they are codom or dom. It'll be my job to figure that out b/c I have his Tiger line adult breeders and some offspring.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...d.php?t=105549

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Wow, I didn't know those other tigers were genetic. Thats pretty cool.

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The Diesel line I have is very clean and soft looking aswell, they have clear cream coloured bellys too . . . i crossed them with some other co-doms this season hoping to produce some nice mixes.:)

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Originally Posted by Toronto Python Gurus

The Diesel line I have is very clean and soft looking aswell, they have clear cream coloured bellys too . . . i crossed them with some other co-doms this season hoping to produce some nice mixes.:)

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Mike, I really like what you're working with. I need to go look at yours some more - but I've noticed with the two that I have, their eye stripe also gets wider towards the back of the head, and sort of rounds up slightly. Have you noticed that with yours? Mine also have a cream colored bellies, with "some" black in there, but not much.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Mike, I really like what you're working with. I need to go look at yours some more - but I've noticed with the two that I have, their eye stripe also gets wider towards the back of the head, and sort of rounds up slightly. Have you noticed that with yours? Mine also have a cream colored bellies, with "some" black in there, but not much.

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Send some pictures to my email torontopythongurus@gmail.com i'll take a look.

We're also playing with our own line of genetic banded/reduced pattern, this years results ( banded lemon pastels) speak for themselves IMO :D

http://masonexotics.co.uk/images/tumu.jpg

http://masonexotics.co.uk/images/takpo.jpg

Not the best pictures of those two.

Heres mom, the originating snake again not the best picture.

http://masonexotics.co.uk/images/kali.jpg.jpg

couple of slightly better shots.


http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...oyals/tumu.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...yals/takpo.jpg

CopperTiger (2x co-dom)
https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&i....2&disp=emb&zw
this little beauty was bred last year by PWM Reptiles.

and for a cool pastel-cross (or are they just a extraoridnary pastel-line?)

zebrapastel by Steve Roussis

http://www.roussisreptiles.com/image...raballs/1L.jpg

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Originally Posted by thechosen1

CopperTiger (2x co-dom)
https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&i....2&disp=emb&zw
this little beauty was bred last year by PWM Reptiles.

and for a cool pastel-cross (or are they just a extraoridnary pastel-line?)

zebrapastel by Steve Roussis

http://www.roussisreptiles.com/image...raballs/1L.jpg

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those remind me of my Granite Pastels

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/a...m2-300x224.jpg

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Originally Posted by thechosen1

CopperTiger (2x co-dom)
https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&i....2&disp=emb&zw
this little beauty was bred last year by PWM Reptiles.

and for a cool pastel-cross (or are they just a extraoridnary pastel-line?)

zebrapastel by Steve Roussis

http://www.roussisreptiles.com/image...raballs/1L.jpg

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Hello Everyone,

@ Mason,...........You have made some really nice Tiger Pastels :gj:.

In 2009 I made the coppertiger (genetic tiger x copperball).
Here are some pictures of my genetic Tigers.

The coppertiger baby.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...copperball.jpg

She now looks like this.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...igernk2009.jpg

Genetic tiger x copperball.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...rverparing.jpg

I also made some Tigerpastels (genetic tiger x Graziani pastel).
When they hatch they look like a super pastel.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/IMG_1293.jpg

A two year old Tigerpastel male.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/IMG_2782.jpg

The tiger female that started it all.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/IMG_0317.jpg

a regular baby tiger.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/IMG_1362.jpg

All my tiger belly's look like this.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/IMG_1376.jpg

And a photo that I made last week (genetic tiger x tiger pastel).
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...verparing2.jpg


Sorry for my bad english :oops:

Best regards
Patrick Hendriks

Patrick,

Your English is fine! You've produced some beautiful animals, I particularly like your Genetic Tiger Pastel! I think that the potential of the Genetic Tiger's is a bit under-rated and I can't wait to do more with mine as well!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Patrick,

Your English is fine! You've produced some beautiful animals, I particularly like your Genetic Tiger Pastel! I think that the potential of the Genetic Tiger's is a bit under-rated and I can't wait to do more with mine as well!

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Thanks for the compliments :).
Here in europe it is the same, they are very under-rated.
Perhaps when more Tiger crossings are made they become more popular.

I guess when you cross a Tiger with an enchi, the result will be great.
Next year I try the Tiger-enchi cross myself.

This is my male enchi, He comes from MA-reptiles (Sweden).
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/IMG_4119.jpg


Best regards
Patrick Hendriks

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Originally Posted by pwm

Thanks for the compliments :).
Here in europe it is the same, they are very under-rated.
Perhaps when more Tiger crossings are made they become more popular.

I guess when you cross a Tiger with an enchi, the result will be great.
Next year I try the Tiger-enchi cross myself.

This is my male enchi, He comes from MA-reptiles (Sweden).
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/IMG_4119.jpg


Best regards
Patrick Hendriks

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That's what an enchi should look like! Great enchi!

That tiger pastel is hot!@

Jim,
would you post pics of your banded albinos?

Here is a shot of our Super Diesel(co dom banded x co-dom banded)

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/a...uperDiesel.jpg