best investment?

well i have some ball pythons already,(look at sig) but was wondering what morph was the best one to get! now dont go and say bumble bee pied mojave clown butter!!!!! something within the $600 range(i wish less was more).i know the best is the one I like, but i want to know what you think! i was thinking of getting a double het hypo clown male and a het hypo female. any better ideas?i love pictures so please post the morph(if you can)! thanks for responding! :carrot::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: :banana::carrot:

best investment i would say would be a albino lav and a het albino lav. But thats just me. I would say for the 600 price range and regular albino would prob be a very good investment. Get it paired with a het albino female and you should hopefully make your money back and some on top if all goes well and you produce a decent clutch of half albinos and half het for albinos.

I'll just tell you after making a few mistakes, just buy a codom and a normal. If you get Albinos or Het Albinos, just remember that EVERYONE will have albinos come this summer and it wont really be worth your while. On the other hand spend that $600 on a male bumblebee and get a Normal breedable female and you can realistically make your money back on one good clutch. Now don't go in this for the money, but co-doms and double co-doms are your best bet cause then normal females are actually a very good thing to have!

the reason i say albinos is bc almost every1 is absolutely in love with them. yes every1 breeds them but depending on your area and clients it may or may not be a good idea. I know i have tons of people who ask me when are the albino babies dropping already. What you suggested would work out very good as well.

600.00 isn't really an "investment" amount to spend on a Ball. Now that's not to say that its pocket change by any ones standards. 600.00 is 600 buck all day long but this years 600.00 animal could very well be next years 250.00 animal.. given the time it takes to grow a snake to maturity and the added expense of food housing and any medical your 600.00 snake will cost you 1200.00 easy before you ever even pair up the first time.

If your considering a real investment in ball pythons consider something in the 2-5K range..yes its tons more money but the market for that price range is smaller and more competitive. Look at things like the "Desert" or "Lavender Albinos"..

thanks!!! keep it coming!,and you know what, i guess 600 is not allot, ill say $1200? please keep the thread alive :)

Looks like you are high on males. So get yourself some female co-dom/dom morphs. I like to think that adult female pastels are worth there weight in gold when it comes to producing cool double co-dom babies. In the end you would like to replace all your normal females with pastel females or super pastel females, Fireflies, Yb pastel feamles. Things like that. Then you can add your co-dom males that you already have to these females and turn some decent money. But in the end go with what you like so you have fun doing it.

Matt

If your budget was my budget, I would buy a pair of cinnamon pastels, I love the super cinny. And they make some great combos.

For 1200 you could probably get ahold of a male bee and a female lemon blast. Breed those together and you're money ;)

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For 1200 you could probably get ahold of a male bee and a female lemon blast. Breed those together and you're money ;)

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is I'm not mistakin a lemon blast alone is over 1200 nevermind the bee!:O

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is I'm not mistakin a lemon blast alone is over 1200 nevermind the bee!:Obut ya know, if you could hook me up with thows prices then you just made a sale, lol.

ps .What is a google eyed bP:weirdface

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You should be able to get a bumblebee and two codominant females for about $1200. Look for a cinnamon, mojave or pastel female. In any case, add a few females to your stable. Maybe get spider, pinstripe, pastel, cinnamon and mojave females. That will give your boys a lot of options and more clutches. Might be worth it to get two or three 1500+ gram females, in combination with some '09 morph females, to get some clutches going now. They're a great bang for the buck and it will get you in the process sooner. You should be able to produce some females to holdback and some to sell.

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is I'm not mistakin a lemon blast alone is over 1200 nevermind the bee!:O

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i see a bunch for 1k, but i can't find any $200 bees

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is I'm not mistakin a lemon blast alone is over 1200 nevermind the bee!:O

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Wrong.


850-950 all day long.

11 for NICE examples.

Ive seen female lemon blasts for 700 on the cheap side and i know ppl who have gotten bees for under 400. As a package deal you might even get them for 1k. They prob wont be the greatest examples of the morphs, but its possible.

It's a nice concept but double-morph females aren't as valuable to someone on a limited budget. Instead of getting a bumblebee and a lemon blast, I would suggest that a spider, pinstripe and two pastels would be more valuable to you and would cost less. Females of course.

You could get you a really nice lesser female for about $500. That's within your $600 range. Butters might be a little more (I haven't priced them).

And if you truly want to "invest", don't buy a morph for the sake of buying the morph. Really shop around for THE BEST example you can find of the animal and be willing to pay for that quality. Buying the lowest grade for the cheapest price isn't an investment.

After all, I'm assuming, you're investing with hopes to sell offspring one day - you don't want people to think of you as the guy with the "cheap" XYZ morphs.

Investment?......a 6 month CD from your credit union.

gold!

superbowl squares!

lotto tickets!

purchase a politician!

A ghost or axanthic female. Then you can breed the 'morph x' het-baby back to the mother and then you got yourself a great combo.

Or a spotnose, vanilla or superpastel female and create some cool combos with fire, enchi or russo.

keep em coming !!!!! what is the best BALL PYTHON investment you ever made?:gj:

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keep em coming !!!!! what is the best BALL PYTHON investment you ever made?:gj:

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Best Ball Python investment I ever made is...well its not an animal but it was to renovate a 16x20 room for nothing but snakes..best thing I ever did.

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keep em coming !!!!! what is the best BALL PYTHON investment you ever made?:gj:

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A pair of het Pieds back in 2003 for $4k.

what a price drop!!!

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what a price drop!!!

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Yeah. I produced my first clutch in 2005. Luckily I had 9 eggs, 4 pieds and 5 66% pos. hets. I sold the pieds for $4k each then. I'm pretty sure pastels were around $6k each back then....maybe more.

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Yeah. I produced my first clutch in 2005. Luckily I had 9 eggs, 4 pieds and 5 66% pos. hets. I sold the pieds for $4k each then. I'm pretty sure pastels were around $6k each back then....maybe more.

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holy :soapbx:!!!:O
6k for a pastel!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maby take away the two 0's!!!

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keep em coming !!!!! what is the best BALL PYTHON investment you ever made?:gj:

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My ball python 'snow' which can be seen in my images. :)

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holy :soapbx:!!!:O
6k for a pastel!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maby take away the two 0's!!!

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There was a time when all the "low" priced base morphs were big $$$. I think the first spiders were $30k. I remember seeing bees for $45k and so on. These days are long gone and those that invested early made a healthy return. Keep in mind this was less than 10 years ago. I watched Pewters fall from $8k to $800 in only 2-3 years and 2 years ago Pieds were $2500. Trends come and go.

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There was a time when all the "low" priced base morphs were big $$$. I think the first spiders were $30k. I remember seeing bees for $45k and so on. These days are long gone and those that invested early made a healthy return. Keep in mind this was less than 10 years ago. I watched Pewters fall from $8k to $800 in only 2-3 years and 2 years ago Pieds were $2500. Trends come and go.

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Yep the prices sure have done a digger..I still remember when Lesser's were 25K each..

Pieds were still 8-10K when I got my het's back in 05 and 06. Thing like clowns and g-stripes were well over 10K..Hell even Pinstripes I can remember them being 10-15K..

I'll never forget going to EbN in 2006 and Sean handing me a Killer bee, Lemon blast, clown, pied, and a lesser and telling me just to do the figures...and don't you dare drop one if it bites you..LOL

Gotta remember gang - investment is something that doesn't lose it's value over the years - a buddy of mine bought a male spider early on for $6,500 - what's a male spider now........I'm just saying.
I think Albino's have held their own over the past 10 years and haven't really plummeted in value. I've even seen Pieds drop in the past year - check out Kingsnake.com, now that everybody's making them, people are blowing them out for $700-$800 bucks!

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Gotta remember gang - investment is something that doesn't lose it's value over the years - a buddy of mine bought a male spider early on for $6,500 - what's a male spider now........I'm just saying.
I think Albino's have held their own over the past 10 years and haven't really plummeted in value. I've even seen Pieds drop in the past year - check out Kingsnake.com, now that everybody's making them, people are blowing them out for $700-$800 bucks!

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Your buddy's male spider hasn't lost value.. For instance

I paid 1200.00 for my spider..this is this third year breeding over the past two years I've produced 9 spiders from him at a vale average of 250.00 if you do the math I think you find that cost and worth are two totally different things.

If I spend 5000.00 dollars on a snake and the next year they sell for 250.00 over the breeding life of that 5000.00 animal I will not only make my investment back but that investment will make a me a measurable profit..

i cam get a pied and a het pied as a package for 700 shipped!

Hi,

Make sure to research the seller on the BOI (faunaclassifieds.com).


dr del

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Your buddy's male spider hasn't lost value.. For instance

I paid 1200.00 for my spider..this is this third year breeding over the past two years I've produced 9 spiders from him at a vale average of 250.00 if you do the math I think you find that cost and worth are two totally different things.

If I spend 5000.00 dollars on a snake and the next year they sell for 250.00 over the breeding life of that 5000.00 animal I will not only make my investment back but that investment will make a me a measurable profit..

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"Relatively speaking"

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Investment?......a 6 month CD from your credit union.

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that will get you like .5% rofl

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that will get you like .5% rofl

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0.5%?! You need to find a new credit union. lol. Leave the money in and you'll make money. Add to it and you'll make more. Buy a pair of het albinos for $350, spend $200 on caging, $300-400 on food before they are big enough to breed, plus added $$ for utilities. Produce your first clutch of 1-2 albinos at $600 pr. and some giveaway pos. hets and you're still in the hole. After advertising, box costs, etc....I haven't bought a ball for my collection in several years.

Cmon you people crying about possibly losing money please remember this .If you get into ball pythons for the money YOU WILL FAIL! If you invest in your hobby and have the pride and love for the creatures you are working with YOU WILL SUCCEDE! :gj:

Joe has the right idea.

All of my pythons I've bought for one of two reasons: 1) I think that particular morph is beautiful or 2) a combo I can make with said python is beautiful. And then I went out and tried to get the prettiest examples of each morph I wanted. Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I don't care if someone else thinks my snake is ugly.

So my recommendation is to get a morph and/or combo you like (preferably females, since you're male-heavy) and get the best/prettiest example you can find. However, if you want a specific example, with the snakes you already have, I'd definitely go with a nice Pewter, if you like those.

:D:carrot:

if you only buy animals that are "worth" having in your collection then your overhead will be significantly lower than your profits. i.e. instead of having a bunch of single morph males, get double codoms, codom+ hets, etc.

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if you only buy animals that are "worth" having in your collection then your overhead will be significantly lower than your profits. i.e. instead of having a bunch of single morph males, get double codoms, codom+ hets, etc.

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Josh a good friend of mine told me.. "I got in this because of the animals I like, I'm able to stay in business because of the animals my customers like..It's simple I let them by me the stuff I like and we're both happy"

well, i am on a very limited budget, but i have 3 snakes in mind, a male 09 spotnose het hypo(200)
08 male orange ghost (150)
09 female orange ghost(150
09 female sable(250)

there are also some awsome deals i wish i could take like this 06 pied female proven breeder paired with her het pied mate for 1200!

please tell me witch i should get ( all the balls in my sig are not breeders (acept the female normals) so dont base the desishion on them.:banana:

p.s. is anyone thinks theres a better dead on a better snake! tell me please!!!!

witch is the best deal?

150 for a male or female hypo
250 for a female sable
200 for a male vanilla het hypo
200 for a male dubble het hypo clown
if anyone has a better deal than the above and the same or difrent snakes ,please tell me.

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witch is the best deal?

150 for a male or female hypo
250 for a female sable
200 for a male vanilla het hypo
200 for a male dubble het hypo clown
if anyone has a better deal than the above and the same or difrent snakes ,please tell me.

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Depends on what they look like..some of those prices might make me question them..but if I had to choose I'd buy the female hypo..

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Depends on what they look like..some of those prices might make me question them..but if I had to choose I'd buy the female hypo..

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THEY ARE ALL REPUTABLE, ok so the female hypo, 1 vote, im thinking of getting her or the vanilla het hypo male :/. id the sable a good price?

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witch is the best deal?

150 for a male or female hypo
250 for a female sable
200 for a male vanilla het hypo
200 for a male dubble het hypo clown
if anyone has a better deal than the above and the same or difrent snakes ,please tell me.

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Keep in mind theres not much point in buying male hets unless you can afford a female to pair him with... sure there are plenty of good deals on DH clown/ghost males but a female will set you back a bit!

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THEY ARE ALL REPUTABLE, ok so the female hypo, 1 vote, im thinking of getting her or the vanilla het hypo male :/. id the sable a good price?

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You missed his point. A hypo that barely looks like a hypo I wouldn't "invest" in, even if it is priced that low.

You may have missed my earlier post - forget about price - decide what morphs you want to work with, then TAKE YOUR TIME to shop around for the very best LOOKING animal that you can find - and pay a little extra if you have to, to get that animal. While you're taking your time to find that great example, you can be socking away extra money. Honestly - it will pay off in spades by the quality of the animals that you will produce.

Like my signature says - you buy cheap, you get cheap - you buy quality, you get quality