help... is it mojave or butter

few months ago i bought a ball python and paid for a female butter morph(see pic below)
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...0/DSC_2480.jpg

after she shed today i notice she look like a mojave rather than butter, then i place her next to my male mojave and to my suprise they are almost identical.

my question is ... did a got a mojave or a "low" quality butter or i dont have to worry because she will change color as she gets older?

below are my male mojave and fem "butter"

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...0/DSC_0331.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...0/DSC_0326.jpg


i need your opinion guys TIA :)

Looks like a mojave to me...like dead on Mojave. I find that butters are harder for me to distinguish from lessers, but mojaves are easier to pick out from the BEL trio.

that looks nothing like a butter...mojave is more like it, alot of people on kingsnake have been selling these as butters.... sucks.

Seems mojo IMO.

Looks rather mojoish to me. It could be a very low quality butter but they are a lot lighter looking. May I ask who you got it from you can PM me if you do not want to post it publicly. On the up side its a very pretty snake none the less.

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Originally Posted by sg1trogdor

Looks rather mojoish to me. It could be a very low quality butter but they are a lot lighter looking. May I ask who you got it from you can PM me if you do not want to post it publicly. On the up side its a very pretty snake none the less.

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this sucks...

...oh well :)


im from the Philippines and i bought her at a local importer but i dont know where she got her

Hi,

I agree with everyone else - it's a mojave.

It is however a very nice one.


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Def a mojo.

It's not a big deal, mojos, butters, and lessers are all pretty much the same snake, they all make BELs.

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Originally Posted by Isis

It's not a big deal, mojos, butters, and lessers are all pretty much the same snake, they all make BELs.

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It can be a big deal if he paid a bit more money for something he didn't receive.
They may all make BEL's but the crosses made with either definitely look different.

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Originally Posted by Isis

Def a mojo.

It's not a big deal, mojos, butters, and lessers are all pretty much the same snake, they all make BELs.

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It is a big deal. One is really dark compared to the other. Both do make BEL but one BEL is brighter than the other. Also Butters tend to cost more.

Its a Mojave without a doubt.

Yeah, to pay butter prices on a mojave especially as an import to the PI is unfortunate. Mojaves don't do to combos what butters do, especially if youre a breeder who prefers making lighter colored morphs.

Here is my baby butter that is also a het ghost...

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../0/8/3/new.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...0/8/3/new2.jpg

Unless the breeder bred a butter to a really dark "normal" and got a really dark butter, which is pretty unlikely, that's a mojave.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

It can be a big deal if he paid a bit more money for something he didn't receive.
They may all make BEL's but the crosses made with either definitely look different.

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Yep....Butters cost about twice as much as mojaves.

yup butter cost almost twice huhuhu , average price of mojave here is 500usd against 800usd for butter :(

Id call the breeder ASAP with a complaint.

However, I am rather fond of its look.

Ok so I was trying to compare yours to mine. I was also taking a look at the Nerd site. Keep in mind that I am super super new to this. I got my snake for a super reputable breeder so I have NO DOUBT it is what I was sold.

What I did see is that a butter has light eyes (I know that mine does) while a mohave looks like it has dark eyes. Not sure if this is is across the board. I am sure someone could inform me better.

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

Ok so I was trying to compare yours to mine. I was also taking a look at the Nerd site. Keep in mind that I am super super new to this. I got my snake for a super reputable breeder so I have NO DOUBT it is what I was sold.

What I did see is that a butter has light eyes (I know that mine does) while a mohave looks like it has dark eyes. Not sure if this is is across the board. I am sure someone could inform me better.

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heres my "butter"'s eye shot :)

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...0/DSC_0340.jpg

whatyathink?

I'm not an expert but it looks a very nice mojave for me.

I've never seen a lesser/butter that is that dark, I would have to say mojave, would like to see you breed it to a known mojave and see if it makes super mojaves or BELs. That would tell you right away 100% what it is.

it is indeed a mohave. but that is one of the nicest ones i have seen.

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Originally Posted by Pedy9970

yup butter cost almost twice huhuhu , average price of mojave here is 500usd against 800usd for butter :(

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Holy cow!!! I eat my words then! I would be pretty upset, yikes.

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yup butter cost almost twice huhuhu , average price of mojave here is 500usd against 800usd for butter :(

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Ahhh moj's are realisticly around 300, and butters around 450 from what i have seen.... but still thats 150 of your money........ I think I would make a call... on the other hand it is a very nice mojave

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heres my "butter"'s eye shot :)

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...0/DSC_0340.jpg

whatyathink?

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It looks pretty dark. :( (I don't know if the whole lighter eye thing is true...just something I noticed) I am sure that there are other that can tell better. I also noticed that her dark is black or really dark brown. Mine is much lighter than that. I am really sorry about that. I can tell you in the future....if you do want a butter...I know a breeder that is awesome....and he will not rip you off.

Probably not make you feel any better but she is very very beautiful!!

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Originally Posted by jjmitchell

Ahhh moj's are realisticly around 300, and butters around 450 from what i have seen.... but still thats 150 of your money........ I think I would make a call... on the other hand it is a very nice mojave

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Crappy Butters are around 450,the better looking ones go for around $500-600.

Also, he does not live in the US, so prices are much more different.

Like I said, Contact the seller, and see how they will fix it.

maybe the seller sent the wrong one?

I contacted my importer, she said she already talked to the exporter and reassured me that what i got is a butter (a low grade one) , it was from butter x normal pairing


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Hi,

I would point out to her that, respectfully, the side pattern on mojaves is distinctly different than on lessers and butters as well as the differences in colour.

She sent you a mojave - and, as mentioned, a nice one. It is definately not a low grade butter.

The only way that came from anything butter to a normal would be from a Blue eyed leucistic that was created by a mojave to butter breeding. That way half the offspring would be butters and half mojaves.

Show her pictures of the side patterns of mojaves and lessers/ butters then show her the side patterns of yours.


dr del

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Originally Posted by MPenn

It can be a big deal if he paid a bit more money for something he didn't receive.
They may all make BEL's but the crosses made with either definitely look different.

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Mojave..nice though

Mojo. I'm guessing you paid more than you would have paid for a mojo too.

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Originally Posted by singingtothewheat

Mojo. I'm guessing you paid more than you would have paid for a mojo too.

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

I would point out to her that, respectfully, the side pattern on mojaves is distinctly different than on lessers and butters as well as the differences in colour.

She sent you a mojave - and, as mentioned, a nice one. It is definately not a low grade butter.

The only way that came from anything butter to a normal would be from a Blue eyed leucistic that was created by a mojave to butter breeding. That way half the offspring would be butters and half mojaves.

Show her pictures of the side patterns of mojaves and lessers/ butters then show her the side patterns of yours.


dr del

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ill try to talk to her again


thx :)