Help With Morphs

I'm starting to get into cornsnakes and was wondering if my BP.net friends would be able to help be identify these four morphs. They are my son's snakes and I'm curious as to what kinds they are:

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...8/hpim2013.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...8/hpim2021.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...8/hpim2023.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...8/hpim2025.jpg

I'm no expert, so don't quote me on this... but from what I can tell, here's what you have.

1: Ghost, maybe Charcoal
2: Amelanistic (aka "Amel" or albino)
3: Normal?
4: Striped Amel

Very nice looking snakes, especially that little striped! :)

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Originally Posted by Lolo76

I'm no expert, so don't quote me on this... but from what I can tell, here's what you have.

1: Ghost, maybe Charcoal
2: Amelanistic (aka "Amel" or albino)
3: Normal?
4: Striped Amel

Very nice looking snakes, especially that little striped! :)

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I say the same(first one ghost) but the third one throws me :P.Not sure on it

The 3rd one looks like a Crimson Corn Snake.

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Originally Posted by DarkComeSoon

The 3rd one looks like a Crimson Corn Snake.

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I think you're right about that... here's a crimson from Serpenco: http://www.serpenco.com/pics/crimson02.jpg
Looks just like him/her! :gj:

Better pics would help, if possible in natural sunlight. But from those pics:

1. Anery
2. Amel (possible motley?)
3. Normal
4. Normal stripe

Number three, could be a crimson/miami, but from those pics doesn't look it. But again, with better pics it could help. And the amel has a motley like pattern, at least on its top dorsal side. Does the belly have checkers? And the last one is just a normal stripe, not an amel stripe. Eyes are the giveaway.

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Originally Posted by Blue Apple Herps

4. Normal stripe

And the last one is just a normal stripe, not an amel stripe. Eyes are the giveaway.

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Oh yeah... I thought they were red because of the flash/reflection, but now I see they're dark. Cool! :D

i'll try my hand at identifying.

1. Charcoal
2. Amelanistic looks Motley
3. Crimson
4. Stripe looks a bit bright for normal

I just found out that the person my some got #3 from called it an okeetee. I did a little bit of research but am wondering - Is crimson a specific type of okeetee?

Okeetee is originally a locality snake. However, its been shifted to describe a normal with thick black borders and vibrant oranges/reds. So some snakes are called okeetees even though they didn't originate from okeetee county, which is where the vibrant snakes originally came from. Genetically its just a line bred normal. Yours doesn't make the cut.

A crimson is a hypo miami corn; a miami corn is another locality corn thats genetically just a normal.

Okeetee corns originated in the area of the Okeetee Hunt Club, which I think was in Northern Florida somewhere (not very sure on that...). They are known for having bright reds and oranges, as well as wide black borders. Some people will use the term Okeetee for any corn snake that shares this look. Others prefer to reserve the term for those corns who can trace their lineage back to corns from the hunt club, and will somewhat jokingly refer to snakes that look like Okeetees but don't originate from that area as Lookatees. Yours doesn't have that Okeetee look, and since you don't know its lineage, I would not call it an Okeetee.

Miami corn snakes originated in the area of Miami, FL, and have red saddles with silver or grey background. Crimsons are a hypo version of Miamis. I think your snake looks much closer to a crimson or Miami than an Okeetee, but without being more sure of its background, my choice would be to just call it a normal.

To answer your specific question, no crimson is not a type of Okeetee.

As for the others, before I read this thread my guesses were:
1 - anery or possibly ghost
2 - definitely amel, possibly motley as well
3 - normal
4 - normal stripe or possibly hypo stripe (eyes are a giveaway it can't be amel, but also the amel stripes I have seen have been more red and less brown in their stripes)

Now that I've read the whole thread, I say just go with what Matthew (Blue Apple Herps) says, because he is one of the most knowledgable people who posts on this forum when it comes to corns.

EDIT: Of course, Matthew was posting while I was and he typed faster, so again I'm just saying "what he said". :rolleyes:

3 looked more like a hypo to me than a normal.

Ghost
Amel
normal
Hypo Stripe

My 2 cents

Can you take pics without the flash? It is hard to tell with the glare. My guess with the glare is:
1. anery
2. amel
3. normal ( it doesn't look like an okeetee to me)
4. striped normal

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Originally Posted by Aeries

3 looked more like a hypo to me than a normal.

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That's exactly what I was thinking. A pic of the eyes would help.

The one that makes me do a double take is the first one. Couldn't that possibly be a Lavender? I know that some of the Lavenders look like Ghosts and vice versa. Reason I ask is because I have a Lavender hatchling, so was wondering if that's what my little guy will look like when he's all growed up. :D

But I definitely agree with Big Apple on the other three. Would love to see a full body pic of the 2nd pic....because that really does look like it could be a motley. Lovely group, though!

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Originally Posted by Becca Granger

The one that makes me do a double take is the first one. Couldn't that possibly be a Lavender? I know that some of the Lavenders look like Ghosts and vice versa. Reason I ask is because I have a Lavender hatchling, so was wondering if that's what my little guy will look like when he's all growed up. :D

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That first one is definitely NOT a lavender. Lavenders have a lot of variability when they grow up, but yours won't look like that. He may look similar as a hatchling but will change.

Here's a little "fast fact" history lesson: when lavenders first appeared, they were originally called mochas because as hatchlings they had a somewhat brownish mocha look to them (not all do; again lots of variability with lavenders!). It wasn't until they were adults that they took on a more lavender color. It was realized that mocha was an ill suited name for them as they didn't look anything like mocha color as adults.

So yours may be one of the more mocha looking ones, especially if its a hatchling. But if it is in fact a lavender, it will definitely look lavenderish in color, nothing like the OP's 1st snake.

Ok, cool. :) Well, I got my Lavender at the Reptile Expo here in Utah back in October-ish? Somewhere around there. The guy I bought him from had him labeled as a Lavender. I've had people comment on him and say he looks more like a Ghost hatchling, so initially I was worried. But the bigger the little guy gets, the more lavender-ish he gets, so I think I didn't get bamboozled. I hope. LOL!

Odysseus didn't look very "mocha" when I got him, though. He looked more pale lavender. But a mocha Corn would be awesome, in my opinion. :D Thanks for the clarification, BA.

Anery, amel, normal, normal stripe.

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