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The Morphs
What do you think the most profitable morph is. In need to buy the cages and incubator too. I want to start breeding but i dont think normals have any money in them. So what morph sells fastest, what morph will get them most money and which one meets in the middle. Im not only doing this to make money but dont want to loose money. Thanks
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Re: The Morphs
Well...
...Good luck!! :salute:
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Re: The Morphs
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Originally Posted by Kaspar825
What do you think the most profitable morph is. In need to buy the cages and incubator too. I want to start breeding but i dont think normals have any money in them. So what morph sells fastest, what morph will get them most money and which one meets in the middle. Im not only doing this to make money but dont want to loose money. Thanks
You wont make any money for years. Your gonna be in the hole for years to come from buying all the snakes raising them, feeding them and all the electricity.
But any snake is profitable as you receive money for it in which you didnt have before, = profit. You shouldnt look at snakes/hobby as $$$ and a fast way to make money. You will get way in over your head and end up making squat.
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The most profitable Morph right now is the one that you buy, and deal with it not eating, escaping, not growing, taking 5 years to breed and then only getting 3 eggs..
You don't want to lose money I suggest you stay out of any business all together..
What is the fastest selling morph.. I move normals 10 at the time so for me normals.
What morph will bring in the most money.. I'd say something like a Banan Spinner blast.. but you better get ready You'd have to have 75K+ to even think about getting your hands on one.
On top of the cages and incubator you need to feed them & their off spring, figure out a Marketing strategy and budget, While they are popular remember everybody had the same idea only they had it 5 years ago and even a hobbyist needs to market I don't care who you are .
Even small time means big time if you want to turn a profit..
It can be done but it isn't cheap, easy, or fast..
I have close to 50K invested in snakes alone care to guess what my total sales my first year were??? 800.00 not profit just sales. So out of 50K I've made back 800.00 of it..now that's my rat food budget for 6 months..
Care to guess how much profit I've made this year.. 0.00
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I agree you will not make money back for some time unless you have about 100k to drop on alot of adult balls. Then you could get nice morphs and produce soon, but who can do that.
I have been breeding for 4 years now and expect to show a profit next season. I work full time and I am a low to middle class citizen. I have spent anywhere from 10-15 k a year building a collection and still end up about 5k in the hole each year. Next year I will have enough females raised up to produce a profit if everything goes well. This year I should get close.
This is not a fast turn around buisness. I love reptiles and I like to look at it as a hoby more then a business. One day I might be able to do it full time, but for now those are only dreams.
I will try to answer your question though. Co-dom/Dom morphs will bring you the fastest money, but their value drops faster then you can produce them. Ressisve genes take longer, but their value stays stronger. White snakes will always sell, but they are a dead end project. Double and triple morphs will bring you even more but cost more to produce. The more snakes you have the more it cost to keep them. So pick what you like, have fun breeding them and one day they might return the favor.
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Originally Posted by Kaspar825
What do you think the most profitable morph is. In need to buy the cages and incubator too. I want to start breeding but i dont think normals have any money in them. So what morph sells fastest, what morph will get them most money and which one meets in the middle. Im not only doing this to make money but dont want to loose money. Thanks
From the looks of it then it sounds like all business in your world. And I can only agree to most of the things that have been said. It is a hobby (pasttime activity from busy life in college and (besides from 3 - 4 worksout a week)) in my case. And I'm doing it to create a never before seen mutation in the ball python world.
The big breeders appear to make a pretty penny from selling reptiles of all sorts but they also have bills to be paid for. Electricity, water, vet-bills, ect. With that said - they don't appear to rolling in a huge pile of cash if you narrow it down. Even some breeders in Denmark can't get rid of their animals and sell them for a very low price.
I would recommend you to invest your money and time in something else. Go to college - knowledge is power. Or you could start a business of some sort that hasn't been used up entirely.
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Re: The Morphs
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Originally Posted by Kaspar825
What do you think the most profitable morph is. In need to buy the cages and incubator too. I want to start breeding but i dont think normals have any money in them. So what morph sells fastest, what morph will get them most money and which one meets in the middle. Im not only doing this to make money but dont want to loose money. Thanks
As others have already mentioned - you WILL lose money while you're raising up your babies to become breeders, and you probably won't turn a profit for many years. While you're raising up your "profitable" morph, the prices will drop each year. And there's no guarantee when you breed that you'll produce babies, or even that the babies will be the morph that you are breeding for (out of 10 lemon pastel eggs, I produced 2 lemon pastels and 8 normals my first season - one I held back, the other I traded for another animal).
Not only do you have the investment in the animals, caging, thermostats, incubator, you need to figure in feeding, veterinary care, marketing costs. If you're not someone that people know, it's going to be much harder to move your animals, than someone who people have seen and know and trust to buy their animals from. Doesn't mean you have to be a "big name", just means that people need to get to know you and see that you are reputable in your words and your actions.
I also see from your first post that you are 13 years old. You are also going to have a very difficult time finding people willing to enter into a non-binding contract with a minor (a sale is a contract - if anything goes wrong with an animal that they purchase from you, they have no legal recourse).
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IM NOT IN THIS FOR MONEY! I told you that!
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Originally Posted by Kaspar825
IM NOT IN THIS FOR MONEY! I told you that!
No one is saying you are..
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I want to start breeding but i dont think normals have any money in them. So what morph sells fastest, what morph will get them most money and which one meets in the middle. Im not only doing this to make money but dont want to loose money. Thanks
My friend Breeding is fun rewarding and profitable..but you can't say your not focused on the money when your only post on the matter has said the opposite..You don't have to defend yourself but please don't act like we can't read..
Not once did you mention..looks, most appealing, easiest to get a hold of ect ect ect.. you told us what animals you weren't dealing with cause there "no Money in them" and proceeded to ask which morphs will be a get rich quick venture.
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Originally Posted by Kaspar825
IM NOT IN THIS FOR MONEY! I told you that!
I beg to differ, if not in this for money they why ask what snake makes the most?:rolleye2:
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If i was i would stick to my lemonade stands i made $100 last year in a week.:gj: Thats how i got into reptiles. Sorry about the last post. I got mad.
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Re: The Morphs
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Originally Posted by Kaspar825
What do you think the most profitable morph is. In need to buy the cages and incubator too. I want to start breeding but i dont think normals have any money in them. So what morph sells fastest, what morph will get them most money and which one meets in the middle. Im not only doing this to make money but dont want to loose money. Thanks
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Originally Posted by Kaspar825
IM NOT IN THIS FOR MONEY! I told you that!
:rolleyes:
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In general
Fact one you will lose money, it will take you a few years to break even and then make a profit so you can either afford to take the dive or not.
Fact two not many people will be willing to enter a contract with someone who is underage therefore it will affect your ability to sell.
Fact three if you cannot take constructive criticism and easily snap at people, you will have a hard time conducting business successfully, people will not conduct business with someone who has a temper tantrum for no reason.
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Now when it come to your "plans" I am curious, what will your initial investment be? What is your business plan?
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Originally Posted by Kaspar825
If i was i would stick to my lemonade stands i made $100 last year in a week.:gj: Thats how i got into reptiles. Sorry about the last post. I got mad.
$100 in a week isnt much, but how is this the way you got into reptiles? The Lemonade stand profits for reptile pets? Minimum wage jobs would produce far more money for your time than the lemonade stand... Anyway, turning a profit on BP's from everything everyone on here has reported takes a while.
How much can you put in? If it's just from Lemonade stands then you likely wont be able to afford a large base of breeders in any morph at $100 a week.
Also if you are only 13 not many would be willing to enter into non-binding agreements (as stated before) for such large purchases. Are you intending to sell locally?
Also are you going to hire an accountant or do you know how to fill out self employment taxes for such things(equipment, expenses, etc)? (This also makes me curious how all of you do the taxes part... Hobby loss deductions so you dont have taxable hobby income?)
As a business person you will not be able to let your temper take over otherwise you'll get very little to no repeat business.
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Originally Posted by flameethrower
I beg to differ, if not in this for money they why ask what snake makes the most?:rolleye2:
Good point. :)
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There is alot to breeding these animals man. Like everyone has said be prepared to not turn a profit for years. I am new to the breeding scene but it's not about the money it's a hobby for me.
Maybe you should start off with a normal and a pastel. You wont have much money into it that way and it will get you started. You never know what will happen. You may or may not like breeding, you may or may not have any luck. Dont look at it as a money maker just yet you have a long road ahead of you.
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Buy yourself a pair of Pastels and a pair of Mojaves or YBs. Get a couple of adult normal females too.
If it was me, and I was starting over, I would do this: STAY SMALL. Rat bills add up quickly. I would buy animals in simple recessive trios, Ghost trio, Albino trio and Axanthic trio. I would get myself a Spider female or two, Super Pastel female or two, and a nice double Co Dom male, and go from there.
Dave
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Here are my thoughts:
You are 13. You have a long life ahead of you.
People here seem to have stressed that at that age you will have a hard time establishing customers. Maybe maybe not.
spend the next five to 10 years learning everything you can about ball pythons. Their home land habitat, breeding, husbandry, etc. etc.
Everything you can find out and learn. REMEMBER: KNOWLEDGE IS KING!
Get yourself a male and a female that YOU like and can afford. Don't wory about what others like or what is "hot" in the market today. It will be two to three years before you can start breeding.
If your successful in getting a clutch hatched, try selling them on craig list, to your freinds, or to pet shops. Don't try or worry about getting top dollar.
You are doing it for experience. REMEMBER: KNOWLEDGE IS KING!
Try to find a professional and successful breader in your area. Offer to work there after school or week ends for free to LEARN all you can. even if it is just cleaning the place up. REMEMBER: KNOWLEDGE IS KING!
Continue your education after high school.
Good luck, my friend. :salute:
Oh and BTW, learn to control that temper. You are only 13.
Hell, I have socks older than you.
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Originally Posted by Deacon240
$100 in a week isnt much, but how is this the way you got into reptiles? The Lemonade stand profits for reptile pets? Minimum wage jobs would produce far more money for your time than the lemonade stand... Anyway, turning a profit on BP's from everything everyone on here has reported takes a while.
How much can you put in? If it's just from Lemonade stands then you likely wont be able to afford a large base of breeders in any morph at $100 a week.
Also if you are only 13 not many would be willing to enter into non-binding agreements (as stated before) for such large purchases. Are you intending to sell locally?
Also are you going to hire an accountant or do you know how to fill out self employment taxes for such things(equipment, expenses, etc)? (This also makes me curious how all of you do the taxes part... Hobby loss deductions so you dont have taxable hobby income?)
As a business person you will not be able to let your temper take over otherwise you'll get very little to no repeat business.
That is only state based. In the state of Michigan hobbies do not neet any permits and or tax credits for anything unless you are registered as a business and filled out tax forms. You need to check your state laws and city ones as well as it is different in each state when it comes to selling live animals as a hobby and not a business.
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Originally Posted by Kaspar825
If i was i would stick to my lemonade stands i made $100 last year in a week.:gj: Thats how i got into reptiles. Sorry about the last post. I got mad.
What did you get mad about?
You're the one who in your first post asked:
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What do you think the most profitable morph is. In need to buy the cages and incubator too. I want to start breeding but i dont think normals have any money in them. So what morph sells fastest, what morph will get them most money and which one meets in the middle. Im not only doing this to make money but dont want to loose money. Thanks
and then you say:
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IM NOT IN THIS FOR MONEY! I told you that!
You do want to make money, or at least break even. All the advice given is letting you know that you're not going likely break even for YEARS. With that in mind, just buy the morphs that you want to work with, that you personally like, and don't worry about its value.
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If one were to start a poll asking; Did you make a profit last year from your breedings? Yes/No
I think you would be surprised by the small number of individuals here who actually make a profit from this hobby.
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Originally Posted by BILLB OKC
Here are my thoughts:
You are 13. You have a long life ahead of you.
People here seem to have stressed that at that age you will have a hard time establishing customers. Maybe maybe not.
spend the next five to 10 years learning everything you can about ball pythons. Their home land habitat, breeding, husbandry, etc. etc.
Everything you can find out and learn. REMEMBER: KNOWLEDGE IS KING!
Get yourself a male and a female that YOU like and can afford. Don't wory about what others like or what is "hot" in the market today. It will be two to three years before you can start breeding.
If your successful in getting a clutch hatched, try selling them on craig list, to your freinds, or to pet shops. Don't try or worry about getting top dollar.
You are doing it for experience. REMEMBER: KNOWLEDGE IS KING!
Try to find a professional and successful breader in your area. Offer to work there after school or week ends for free to LEARN all you can. even if it is just cleaning the place up. REMEMBER: KNOWLEDGE IS KING!
Continue your education after high school.
Good luck, my friend. :salute:
Oh and BTW, learn to control that temper. You are only 13.
Hell, I have socks older than you.
It got me into reptiles because i could buy them i had money for food for a year already.
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