Lemon Pastel VS Regular Pastel

So What are the differences between Lemon Pastel and regular Pastels?

Or does it have to do with lines

if you bought it from NERD its a lemon pastel

anywhere else, including someone who bought it from NERD making it a lemon pastel, but that snake had offspring not produced by NERD, those offspring pastels are not technically lemons.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

if you bought it from NERD its a lemon pastel

anywhere else, including someone who bought it from NERD making it a lemon pastel, but that snake had offspring not produced by NERD, those offspring pastels are not technically lemons.

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What? As long as it can be directly traced back to a NERD line lemon - it can be called a lemon. Winston is a lemon pastel produced from a NERD lemon purchased from NERD. I can link him directly through 8ballpython stock to NERD.

His genetics paperwork also classifies him as a lemon pastel.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

What? As long as it can be directly traced back to a NERD line lemon - it can be called a lemon. Winston is a lemon pastel produced from a NERD lemon purchased from NERD. I can link him directly through 8ballpython stock to NERD.

His genetics paperwork also classifies him as a lemon pastel.

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Selective Breeding in order to maintain the integrity of that linage appearance is just as important. If I can't tell your Lemons from my Jungles you better not be calling them Lemons..

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

if you bought it from NERD its a lemon pastel

anywhere else, including someone who bought it from NERD making it a lemon pastel, but that snake had offspring not produced by NERD, those offspring pastels are not technically lemons.

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So if I bought a Lemon Pastel from NERD, bred the lemon to a normal...or anything else for that matter...the pastel offspring would not be Lemons because they were produced in my home rather than at the NERD facility...?

However, if I did the exact same pairing at the NERD facility, the pastel offsprings would then be Lemons?

What if Kevin bred his Lemon Pastels at my house...? Would or wouldn't they be Lemons?

What is going on here...:confused:

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Selective Breeding in order to maintain the integrity of that linage appearance is just as important. If I can't tell your Lemons from my Jungles you better not be calling them Lemons..

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If she has the proof of genetics on hand...why wouldn't they be lemons...if they are offspring of lemons?

I understand the selective breeding aspect you speak of...but, how do you know if you are breeding the Lemon to and acceptable normal? Do you have to verify it with Kevin before you breed them?

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

If she has the proof of genetics on hand...why wouldn't they be lemons...if they are offspring of lemons?

I understand the selective breeding aspect you speak of...but, how do you know if you are breeding the Lemon to and acceptable normal? Do you have to verify it with Kevin before you breed them?

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Because Lemon isn't a separate gene from the Jungles/Blondes,Grazani, Bell ect.

Lemon describes an overall appearance and quality of an animal. So a lemon that is "indistinguishable" from a Jungle or a Bell or other lines is no longer a Lemon Pastel, It is merely a pastel. They were selective bred to produce a certain look..As such that look must be maintained in order to maintain the name..We know this because NERD offers two different types of Pastel, Lemons and Jungles they can do so because while they are the same gene they are different examples of it through selective breeding.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Because Lemon isn't a separate gene from the Jungles/Blondes,Grazani, Bell ect.

Lemon describes an overall appearance and quality of an animal. So a lemon that is "indistinguishable" from a Jungle or a Bell or other lines is no longer a Lemon Pastel, It is merely a pastel. They were selective bred to produce a certain look..As such that look must be maintained in order to maintain the name..We know this because NERD offers two different types of Pastel, Lemons and Jungles they can do so because while they are the same gene they are different examples of it through selective breeding.

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So if you purchase a Lemon Pastel and you would like to produce Lemon Pastels from the animal you purchased from NERD, how do you go about it?

Do you have to ask NERD what to breed it to?

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

So if you purchase a Lemon Pastel and you would like to produce Lemon Pastels from the animal you purchased from NERD, how do you go about it?

Do you have to ask NERD what to breed it to?

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If I was serious about maintaining the look of that animal...Yes I would ask what to look for in a counterpart when thinking about pairing. That's where the selective breeding thing comes in..

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

If I was serious about maintaining the look of that animal...Yes I would ask what to look for in a counterpart when thinking about pairing. That's where the selective breeding thing comes in..

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So then it is possible to produce Lemons on your own from a Lemon purchased from NERD?

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

If she has the proof of genetics on hand...why wouldn't they be lemons...if they are offspring of lemons?

I understand the selective breeding aspect you speak of...but, how do you know if you are breeding the Lemon to and acceptable normal? Do you have to verify it with Kevin before you breed them?

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I think his post didn't come the way he meant. He happens to own the very first Winston baby released from Robin's Nest Reptiles - a lemon pastel.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I think his post didn't come the way he meant. He happens to own the very first Winston baby released from Robin's Nest Reptiles - a lemon pastel.

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Did you ask Kevin what to breed your Lemon to?

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

Did you ask Kevin what to breed your Lemon to?

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No - but I do choose only my brightest normal females to breed Winston to, since I also believe that selectively breeding can only improve the morph. I daresay I think Winston's daughter that I held back is nicer than Winston.

OK wow I totally screwed the pooch here

Josh,,
I'm sorry if I confused you.. I own both Lemons and Jungles..

Please forgive me..

Being able to trace your founding animal back to a NERD produce "LEMON" is just as improtant as maintaining the look..of said line..

I'm even sure that came out right but I hope you get my drift..

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Originally Posted by rabernet

No - but I do choose only my brightest normal females to breed Winston to, since I also believe that selectively breeding can only improve the morph. I daresay I think Winston's daughter that I held back is nicer than Winston.

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Okay.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I daresay I think Winston's daughter that I held back is nicer than Winston.

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I agree..

I was just commenting in regards to the post below...

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

if you bought it from NERD its a lemon pastel

anywhere else, including someone who bought it from NERD making it a lemon pastel, but that snake had offspring not produced by NERD, those offspring pastels are not technically lemons.

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I believe that if you have a Lemon Pastel, with proof of genetics, one can produce lemons of their own. Yes, selective breeding is important to maintain the integrity of the line, but it CAN be done as Robin and many others have done.

You CAN purchase Lemon Pastels from breeders other than NERD if the previous apply...

EDIT* The same goes for Jungle Pastels too. :P

Now I don't understand, a pastel is a pastel obviously, lemons are selectivly bred to be high yellow bright snakes, no if I pair my lemon up to a dark normal and produce subpar babies... how does that make them a lemon anymore? A lemon is a lemon because kevin selectivly bred his snakes. whos to say you can't make nicer snakes?

go farther, why do we call different lines, different lines? whats to say they all didn't come from the same snake that bred in the wild, which i would assume? by what your saying, talking lineage, their all the same line coming from the same snake. or you could assume the exact same mutation happened in all these different wild caught snakes.

but just because it came out of the wild we call it a different line, even tho it could be directly related to another line. just because we can't prove it?

eigher way you argue it, line is just a marketing tool, alot of unknown line pastels are pretty nice. if you want to call your lemon offspring lemons go ahead, but it doesn't mean anything anyways

I have a pastel that was sold to me as a Lemon Pastel. For a while I was just calling her a pastel, since I have NO proof of her genetics other than the word of my breeder. After seeing so many pastels though, she does have a yellow that seems will stick with with her through adult hood... I hope. Also, I've read some about NERD lemons and they say that most of their lemons have a stripe on their neck. Snickets has a broken stripe... But that's most likely just coincidence.

If I produced offspring by her, I wouldn't sell them as Lemon Pastels. Unless the guy I got her from could give me paperwork, which I doubt, I would sell them as regular pastels.

The NERD Lemon line is just one line of Pastel from NERD. I am pretty sure they have a NERD line Pastel that is not a Lemon line.

Supposedly, the Lemon line is a bright yellow animal with dark black markings. This is in contrast to the flames or washed out look of the black on the Graziani Pastels.

If you breed a Lemon Pastel x normal, the resulting Pastels would be Lemon Pastels.

Too me, the only Pastel line worth paying a premium for is the Ruppel. Too me, the rest are just a line, no better or worse than any other line, and that includes the Lemon and Blonde line...it is just a name.

Dave