0.1 Borneo & 1.0 Sumatran

So after googling, asking around & lots of reading..

I introduce, My Female Borneo Blood (P. Breitensteini)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2728/...12293c2f_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2686/...e4deb81c_b.jpg

She is still a baby at 110-grams.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/...c61a0b53_b.jpg

And my Male Sumatran Blood (P. curtus)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/...147f993d_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4003/...11f47dd5_b.jpg

He is just shy of 80-grams.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2797/...10deb2c1_b.jpg

Hope i got their IDs correct. :rolleyes:

beautiful!

That first one isn't a Borneo....

Thats a Blood Python, Python Brongersmai.

2 different species.

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

That first one isn't a Borneo....

Thats a Blood Python, Python Brongersmai.

2 different species.

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Looks like one to me also.

Nice snakes though! :P

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

That first one isn't a Borneo....

Thats a Blood Python, Python Brongersmai.

2 different species.

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That what confusing me.. I asked in another post.

How can you tell? a difference between a brong & a breit? cause like i say, i google, ask & "read"..

here I made a video. So a brong or a breit?
YouTube - 2010-01-05 Blood Python

I would say that is a Malysian red blood python, So Brong, your second one looks like a Sumatran Black blood python, a nice one too. Actually both are nice, congrats! ~Caylan.S.~

Unless this was sold as a "Malaysian" it's more than likely of Sumatran decent. \

That's a RED BLOOD PYTHON, through and through. I can tell by the coloration alone.

Also, Sumatran Short Tails are known as just that, Sumatran Short Tail Pythons, NOT Black Bloods. The second animal also is indeed a Sumatran Short Tail.

There's a lot of confusion as to what these snakes are really called and I'm trying to help clear it up, nothing personal:D

So it's....

Red Blood Pythons-Python Brongersmai

Borneo Pythons-Python Breitensteini (these are the ONLY Python species to come from Borneo)

Sumatran Short Tail Python-Python Curtus

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Originally Posted by Inugohan

I would say that is a Malysian red blood python, So Brong, your second one looks like a Sumatran Black blood python, a nice one too. Actually both are nice, congrats! ~Caylan.S.~

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Really? Well then thank you very much for correcting me. I thought that sumatran black blood was also acceptable, but from now on I will refer to them as short tails. Also as for the Red Blood I guess Malaysian was a little specific so thanks again for correcting me, I'm sure it really helps the original poster. Sure helped me out. ~Caylan.S.~

thanks..
I live on the island of Borneo. But the bloods came from indonesia. and the seller there name them differently (english over their native languange), thanks again for the proper IDs of this beauty.. so how do i edit & correct the title...

Oh how I envy you!

I'd like to take a trip over to your part of the world:D

I believe MOST Blood Pythons over there are born and raised in Indonesia.

If you check out www.bloodpythons.com, there's a couple members over there that are from Indonesia:gj:

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Originally Posted by EdShal

thanks..
I live on the island of Borneo. But the bloods came from indonesia. and the seller there name them differently (english over their native languange), thanks again for the proper IDs of this beauty.. so how do i edit & correct the title...

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Are u 100%n guarantee that the red blood is indeed Brong? I Have the same pair too..got is from same source from Borneo.. SO basically, That cant be Malayan Blood Python.. my 1st argument. 1st, That Blood was purchase in Island of Borneo so assume it must be a BST. 2, The eyes was so different from Malayan blood. 3rd. I seen a Wild Caught blood in Borneo and I'm from Borneo and it look exactly the same. I know u guy maybe an experience Blood Breeder, but I'm telling u guy That Is BST, I have Better view at that snakes and I seen it personally who else can tell that is BST except U seen it personally and U urself from Borneo and seen exactly same specimen in the wild..

You make some good points.

I however still stand behind what I think it is.

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Originally Posted by Viper76

Are u 100%n guarantee that the red blood is indeed Brong? I Have the same pair too..got is from same source from Borneo.. SO basically, That cant be Malayan Blood Python.. my 1st argument. 1st, That Blood was purchase in Island of Borneo so assume it must be a BST. 2, The eyes was so different from Malayan blood. 3rd. I seen a Wild Caught blood in Borneo and I'm from Borneo and it look exactly the same. I know u guy maybe an experience Blood Breeder, but I'm telling u guy That Is BST, I have Better view at that snakes and I seen it personally who else can tell that is BST except U seen it personally and U urself from Borneo and seen exactly same specimen in the wild..

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http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/IMG_0706.jpg

This is one of the sibling..Do u still think it Brongersmai? Or breitensteini?

Brongersmai

AKA Red Blood Python

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

Brongersmai

AKA Red Blood Python

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Wow you're good... Both of my borneos look completely different from each other but I never would have been able to tell that this persons snake was not a borneo. Nor could I tell you that mine were not bloods. If I didnt know the breeder was reputable even I would not know LOL.

Thankfully my borneos are primarily my pets. I'll stick to BP and locality boa genetics for now :rolleyes:

I agree with Trevor 110%. Those are P. brongs. The dark one is a P. curtus. Nice snakey's.

later
Jordan

Def a brong.

If it is a brong.. can u please clearly explain it, Coz Im sure that is breit. I wonder if brong can swim from the sea to reach Borneo Island from West Malaysia. tell me the different step by step..Maybe u can edit those image of that pic that i post n explain..

Before. u explain. I stood my opinion. That Is a breit..Im from Borneo, I got It from Breeder In Borneo and That is Borneo short Tailed.

I can just tell by the color of the animal that its a Brongersmai.

My best guess, and the most logical one...

Whoever you got it from got it imported onto your Island.

These are both Borneo's. Male is the dark one, female is the light one. Even tho they are both on opposite ends of the color spectrum for borneos, I can see a big difference when I compare my 2 borneos to the one you are claiming is a borneo. I would really trust 2kdime and the others on here that say yours is a blood. They keep & breed both bloods & borneos so they should know what they are talking about.

~Male Borneo short tail~
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2.../MsPics039.jpg

~Female Borneo short tail~
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2.../MsPics041.jpg

~~~And your original post with the snake in question.. Make the comparison yourself...

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Originally Posted by EdShal

So after googling, asking around & lots of reading..

I introduce, My Female Borneo Blood (P. Breitensteini)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2728/...12293c2f_b.jpg

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

These are both Borneo's. Male is the dark one, female is the light one. Even tho they are both on opposite ends of the color spectrum for borneos, I can see a big difference when I compare my 2 borneos to the one you are claiming is a borneo. I would really trust 2kdime and the others on here that say yours is a blood. They keep & breed both bloods & borneos so they should know what they are talking about.

~Male Borneo short tail~
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2.../MsPics039.jpg

~Female Borneo short tail~
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2.../MsPics041.jpg

~~~And your original post with the snake in question.. Make the comparison yourself...

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Foshi: That pictures is indeed Borneo, coz i seen that in the wild too..A chesnut color Borneo.
I know u guy a reputable Breeder. But I seen the same Bst specimen in the wild, that same color like what i mention, Under Old wooden house when some contractor demolish a house to build new one. the same reddish color, Im not trying to judge u guy expertise. I got my reason why Im saying that is Borneo Short tailed. U guy probably agrees with me too if u urself seen it in the wild n u in Borneo. The same color the same eyes becoz the wild caught i keep them for few year before it starve itself to death. really u guy have never seen some other crazy morph of Borneo python in the jungle. Honest, I seen, I dont how to describe it, white color Borneo Blood python in the wild, I never did manage to catch it, coz that that time I was In shock and went in deep jungle.. I seen an wild albino retics in Borneo jungle too. and some other unknown snakes here. even though I tried to google but never posted..Im serious..

Did it look like this Viper?

http://www.vpi.com/galleries/images/180

Also, check out these galleries, there might be quite a few more animals over here in the states than you think.

http://www.vpi.com/galleries

No, not the same, It whiter, like leucistic, but not lucy, coz it got stripe yellow color

some thing like this.. but whiter

http://www.vpi.com/galleries/images/..._leucistic_337


and it behind is a line, something like that, not exactly the same, but stripe.

http://www.vpi.com/galleries/images/143

and it was i wild python..

This is the one, but the head is whiter..


http://www.vpi.com/images/60

Hey I guess it's possible since as you say, we do not live in borneo. So the best thing to do would be to send one of these weird color morph borneo pythons to one of us so we can breed it and make more :)

Yes if you are finding stuff like that in the jungle, then send us pics and someone may end up buying one.

All of the animals you listed, as well as the one you said that "is the one" are all Brongersmai.

Either you spotted a brand new morph, it was a Brongersmai in the wrong area, or it wasn't a Borneo Short Tail Python at all.

Think it could have been a Super Ultra/Ghost?

http://www.vpi.com/images/2113

as if i saw it on purpose, It was coincidence, unprepared.. but I wont be surprise If some one else too saw another of this blood or another crazy morph blood in deep jungle of Borneo.

I know some one did found a wc brong is Malaysia....

I think the snakes was heavily infested with tick, Picture not mine got it from malaysian forum..

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4131/image0087u.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3828/image0090a.jpg

Hmmmm.....hard to tell what it is!

It looks like a weird Ivory/Lucy.

What's the Malaysian forum you got that off of?

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

Hmmmm.....hard to tell what it is!

It looks like a weird Ivory/Lucy.

What's the Malaysian forum you got that off of?

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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1088879/+1640

that the site..U can see urself, as it was heavily infested with tick..So It not surprise to find those weird looking blood..Maybe u can offer him a price.He claimed that that blood might be the only one so far in the world..U might be the 1st to have it in the states maybe..Im sure u can sell it very expensive if the genetic is proven if she breed for u..

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/v...878_resize.jpg

I have no idea what that is.

Were talking about it on another forum though.

We thought maybe an Albino Ivory, possibly a T-Negative Ivory.

Trevor thanks for directing me to this site..
What hasn't been mentioned yet is that Borneos or P.Brietensteini will have granular preoculars where the red bloods will have their labials in contact with the eyes..On a second note I SURE would like to see some of the wild animals you guys find on the island of Borneo,, Borneos being my number one favorite snake with p.curtus taking second..

Can u direct me to the forum u guy mention..I sure wanted to know what is that too..thanks

www.bloodpythons.com

Come see the wide array of thickies posted and information available and PLEASE share your local critters with us..
Thanks,
Tim..

To get a little bit back on track....

I totally forgot about this, but....

If you guys want to post some pictures of the animals in questions bellies, I can tell you real quick if they're Borneo or Blood Pythons.

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

To get a little bit back on track....

I totally forgot about this, but....

If you guys want to post some pictures of the animals in questions bellies, I can tell you real quick if they're Borneo or Blood Pythons.

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U guy are right the blood from the original pictures from the post is indeed Brong, I was told by the owner is was red blood n totally different from mine..