New Year's Puppies

There are 8 pups total, all black and white, 1 dark brown and white. They are Austrailian Shepard/Catahoula/Border Collie mix. She had them yesterday, and this will be her second (and last) litter. I'm really looking forward to seeing which ones will be long hair, and which ones will have blue eye(s).
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I love the miniature cow :8: on the right with the white head : (first pic)

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I love the miniature cow :8: on the right with the white head : (first pic)

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Me too! :D You can see a heart on its side (on the first pic.) I have a feeling that one is going to have two blue eyes.

Cool looking puppies :gj:

They are so cute Jason! Momma is very beautiful also!

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I love it when people claim to love dogs and then produce mutts when there's TONS of homeless pets in shelters and rescues everywhere. NOW I remember why I don't look at this section. Don't care if I rained on your parade either. People need to get their freakin heads out of the clouds, or wherever else they may be.

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Originally Posted by Repfanaticlady28

I love it when people claim to love dogs and then produce mutts when there's TONS of homeless pets in shelters and rescues everywhere. NOW I remember why I don't look at this section. Don't care if I rained on your parade either. People need to get their freakin heads out of the clouds, or wherever else they may be.

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Wow, you must be like super smart or something. :gj:

I'm not going to dive too deeply on this situation, but in short..Not everyone who breeds dogs are careless. As I stated on an older thread I believe, we make sure to find good homes for all of them, and if we can't find a good, loving home we keep them. And I also stated that, this is also her last litter, after this she's getting fix.

They are so adorable! Good luck with raising those puppies, they look fantastic! I have an Australian Shepherd mix, but he looks more German Shepherd (his other half) and his body type is more German Shepherd-looking.

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I'm not going to dive too deeply on this situation, but in short..Not everyone who breeds dogs are careless.

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No need to dive anywhere. Allowing mutts to breed in this already overpopulated country equals careless. Good for you! You are finding good homes for the puppies that shouldn't have even been produced so now those families will not adopt the homeless dogs/puppies in shelters. I bet you're not getting the puppies spayed/neutered before they go to new homes (contracts are not a guarantee). Yay! Thousands more accidental litters helping to fill up animal shelters even more.

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And I also stated that, this is also her last litter, after this she's getting fix.

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Congratulations on finally figuring it out. Too bad it's 2 litters too late. If you had gotten her fixed before her first heat then I'd commend you. Now you could be dealing with some major health issues because you allowed her to breed. No commendation for that. Play it however you want to make yourself feel better. I know how it really is. I've been to high kill shelters many times over. You obviously have no idea where the dogs that don't find homes go or you could just care less. Since you and many others on this forum think they're not your problem and keep adding to it I, and many others like me, have a lot of work to do. Thank you very much! Have fun with your puppies. I hope I don't see them in the shelter someday.

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Originally Posted by Repfanaticlady28

No need to dive anywhere. Allowing mutts to breed in this already overpopulated country equals careless. Good for you! You are finding good homes for the puppies that shouldn't have even been produced so now those families will not adopt the homeless dogs/puppies in shelters. I bet you're not getting the puppies spayed/neutered before they go to new homes (contracts are not a guarantee). Yay! Thousands more accidental litters helping to fill up animal shelters even more.

Congratulations on finally figuring it out. Too bad it's 2 litters too late. If you had gotten her fixed before her first heat then I'd commend you. Now you could be dealing with some major health issues because you allowed her to breed. No commendation for that. Play it however you want to make yourself feel better. I know how it really is. I've been to high kill shelters many times over. You obviously have no idea where the dogs that don't find homes go or you could just care less. Since you and many others on this forum think they're not your problem and keep adding to it I, and many others like me, have a lot of work to do. Thank you very much! Have fun with your puppies. I hope I don't see them in the shelter someday.

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You don't have to be rude about this. I'm sure he'll get these puppies to good homes and have none of them ending up in the pound. A person breeding mutts isn't considered careless. There are people who breed pure breds and are careless to the point the puppies get skinny and have external/internal parasites. Everyone is different, but I'm sure many people who breed their dogs aren't careless. There are people who breed snakes that are careless to what happens to those snakes by selling them to pet stores, just like there are people who give their dogs to pounds. I think it was best for you to not comment if you did not like this thread.

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Originally Posted by Repfanaticlady28

I love it when people claim to love dogs and then produce mutts when there's TONS of homeless pets in shelters and rescues everywhere. NOW I remember why I don't look at this section. Don't care if I rained on your parade either. People need to get their freakin heads out of the clouds, or wherever else they may be.

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A little bit rude are we :rolleyes:? Why not just avoid these threads if you can not be nice next time :weirdface

I think Repfanaticlady28 is being a tad rude, but I do agree with her statements.

Later, Matt

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Originally Posted by Repfanaticlady28

No need to dive anywhere. Allowing mutts to breed in this already overpopulated country equals careless. Good for you! You are finding good homes for the puppies that shouldn't have even been produced so now those families will not adopt the homeless dogs/puppies in shelters. I bet you're not getting the puppies spayed/neutered before they go to new homes (contracts are not a guarantee). Yay! Thousands more accidental litters helping to fill up animal shelters even more.

Congratulations on finally figuring it out. Too bad it's 2 litters too late. If you had gotten her fixed before her first heat then I'd commend you. Now you could be dealing with some major health issues because you allowed her to breed. No commendation for that. Play it however you want to make yourself feel better. I know how it really is. I've been to high kill shelters many times over. You obviously have no idea where the dogs that don't find homes go or you could just care less. Since you and many others on this forum think they're not your problem and keep adding to it I, and many others like me, have a lot of work to do. Thank you very much! Have fun with your puppies. I hope I don't see them in the shelter someday.

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First off, I don't disagree with what you are saying, but you are not going about this the right way. Being very rude, and making assumptions doesn't help your arguement.

Actually, yes we do get the puppies fix, and we get them their shots too.:O Along with that we check on the dogs every few months to make sure they are being taken care of, if they are not, then we take the dog back and refund their money (as it states in the contract.) Also before we even put any of the pups in the new owners hands, we make sure that the environment they are being place in is suitable to their needs.

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You obviously have no idea where the dogs that don't find homes go or you could just care less.

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Actually yes I do. :omfg: I've even seen what happens to animals when are under the care and supervision of an abusive owner. Which is why we go out of our way to make sure that every single animal that we give away adopt out/sell etc. is being care for and loved.

There is always a right way and a wrong way to go about things. Anyone can spit your arguement back at anyone who bred their pets, even someone who is breeding their snakes. So if you have such a problem with this, then why don't you make your own thread and rant all about it.

While I can understand your argument, not everybody wants a puppy from a shelter.

Better bet is getting all the puppies microchipped so if they do end up in a shelter you get notified. Only 1 in 4 dogs end up in it's first home, too many people move or have a baby or just plain don't think a dog matters that much, they'll just get another. I'm sure whoever bred my dogs thought their buyers were great owners too. One got rehomed on Craigslist due to a move and the other ended up in a kill shelter with no one to claim him.

In the past 4 months I've fostered 3 mixed breed puppies, one the local vet even recognized because the buyers had brought her in several times, didn't care enough to come pick her up at the pound though. I just don't see the point in breeding more pet quality dogs and mutts, 4 million dogs put down every year isn't enough? Not like anyone that wanted a mutt couldn't find one without you adding to it.

Sorry but breeding mutts=irresponsible.
35 million dogs die every year in shelters.

And Im glad you find them good homes... Do you have contracts stating you will take the dogs back should the owners ever need to get rid of them?
Did you health test your dogs to ensure you are not passing on genetic diseases? (hip and elbow testing, eyes and ears? whatever else is relevant to your breeds of dogs?)
Did you title your dogs to prove that they are of breeding quality? That they possess more traits then being a nice dog that can be passed down to the pups ?

Sorry. But when millions of dogs die every year in shelters, I cannot sit back and let people who breed irresponsibly think they are not doing something wrong.

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Originally Posted by starrlamia

Sorry but breeding mutts=irresponsible.
35 million dogs die every year in shelters.

And Im glad you find them good homes... Do you have contracts stating you will take the dogs back should the owners ever need to get rid of them?
Did you health test your dogs to ensure you are not passing on genetic diseases? (hip and elbow testing, eyes and ears? whatever else is relevant to your breeds of dogs?)
Did you title your dogs to prove that they are of breeding quality? That they possess more traits then being a nice dog that can be passed down to the pups ?

Sorry. But when millions of dogs die every year in shelters, I cannot sit back and let people who breed irresponsibly think they are not doing something wrong.

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I'm sure Jyson didn't breed irresponsibly. Wanna hear of a real irresponsible breeding?

My oldest dog, Max, was bred from a guy who bred his German Shepherd and Australian Shepherd together. My oldest sister really wanted a dog, and my mom said she could get one when she has straight A's. She got the straight A's, and went almost everywhere in town looking for a dog. She did not like any of the dogs she saw, until my mom brought her to the guy's house who bred the two dogs. There were two puppies left, chained tightly to the fence. The mother was also chained to the fence. To the point they could barely go anywhere. My sister picked the puppy she liked, and we took him home. We took him to the vet because Max was infested with fleas. Today, Max is turning 14 on January 13. He is a very healthy dog and still likes to act like a puppy sometimes. Jyson doesn't have his dogs and puppies infested with fleas and chained to a fence outside. So if you think Jyson is breeding irresponsibly, that statement is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Swingline0.0.1

While I can understand your argument, not everybody wants a puppy from a shelter.

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Puppies and dogs from shelters can have kennel cough. Three dogs of mine have had it, and Max almost died from it at age 9 because my dog Buddy had it. My other dog Lily had it so we did not introduce her to Buddy until it was completely gone, we didn't want any of our dogs getting kennel cough again. It is a definite nightmare. Max got it real bad--he was throwing up a lot, pooping/peeing everywhere, had snot everywhere.. it was just horrible. That's one of the main reason why it isn't that great to get a dog from a shelter, even though you are giving a dog a new home and stuff, sometimes it's not worth it if the dog can die from kennel cough.

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Originally Posted by Repfanaticlady28

I love it when people claim to love dogs and then produce mutts when there's TONS of homeless pets in shelters and rescues everywhere. NOW I remember why I don't look at this section. Don't care if I rained on your parade either. People need to get their freakin heads out of the clouds, or wherever else they may be.

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And I don't think you're being rude about it. Life isn't all cotton candy and gumdrops. This is REALITY.

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

Puppies and dogs from shelters can have kennel cough. Three dogs of mine have had it, and Max almost died from it at age 9 because my dog Buddy had it. My other dog Lily had it so we did not introduce her to Buddy until it was completely gone, we didn't want any of our dogs getting kennel cough again. It is a definite nightmare. Max got it real bad--he was throwing up a lot, pooping/peeing everywhere, had snot everywhere.. it was just horrible. That's one of the main reason why it isn't that great to get a dog from a shelter, even though you are giving a dog a new home and stuff, sometimes it's not worth it if the dog can die from kennel cough.

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Puppies and dogs from anywhere can have anything. It's not only an animal shelter problem.

Dogs from reckless breedings can have loads of defects that can't be cured. That's why breedings shouldn't be done without the proper health testing.

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Originally Posted by starrlamia

Sorry but breeding mutts=irresponsible.
35 million dogs die every year in shelters.

And Im glad you find them good homes...
Did you health test your dogs to ensure you are not passing on genetic diseases? (hip and elbow testing, eyes and ears? whatever else is relevant to your breeds of dogs?)
Did you title your dogs to prove that they are of breeding quality? That they possess more traits then being a nice dog that can be passed down to the pups ?

Sorry. But when millions of dogs die every year in shelters, I cannot sit back and let people who breed irresponsibly think they are not doing something wrong.

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Yep, a local vet comes once a year to do checkups on our horses and our dogs. All clean bills of healthiness.;)

A majority of the people who adopted the pups from the last litter were farmers looking for a good herding dog or two. And the pups (breed-wise) are perfect for the job. As for traits, they definitely live up to their breeds: smart as a border collie, hyper as a catahoula, and chases anything that moves just like an austrailian shepard. :D

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Do you have contracts stating you will take the dogs back should the owners ever need to get rid of them?

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Yep, a friend of ours who owns a rescuing facility that helped us find good homes for our first litter typed up the contracts. She's been adopting out animals for years and had over that time perfected a detailed contract.

I agree with Brook. I do not understand why anyone would ever breed or buy dogs when there are so many dying every day in shelters.

If you people want to ride the OP behind because he bred his dogs.Why not speak up to the pet stores that sell mutts as $2000 designer breeds? These idiots are buying mixed breed dogs for idiotic prices instead of rescueing one from the pound :rolleyes:.Now back to our forum :D

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I agree with Brook. I do not understand why anyone would ever breed or buy dogs when there are so many dying every day in shelters.

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I think another major thing that has to do with that is people not finding the right dog when they visit shelters. Some people want pure bred dogs, or nice looking mutts, and dogs that have a clean record. Clean record meaning no abuse, no parasites, etc. People are weird with Pit Bulls, since they are claimed to be born "fighters" when of course they are not, so they won't buy one from a shelter if they think it won't get along with the family or other family pets if it was used for fighting. The point is that some people want to get their dogs from top quality breeders so they have a nice dog without a bad history and know it came from someone with top notch breeding dogs.

People are starting to build non-kill shelters (these shelters are HUGE too, and have parts where the separate the new dogs from the already established dogs that got over sicknesses and got rid of parasites) so the dogs don't have to die, and so that most will get a good home.

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If you people want to ride the OP behind because he bred his dogs.Why not speak up to the pet stores that sell mutts as $2000 designer breeds? These idiots are buying mixed breed dogs for idiotic prices instead of rescueing one from the pound :rolleyes:.Now back to our forum :D

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We do. Against pet stores, the Hunte Corp, Amish puppy mills, backyard breeders and the morons who create a new "designer dog" every other day etc...

At least he hasn't named them Austrialian Border Houlas ;)

And didn't she just have the other litter back in August??? That is in NO way, shape or form a responsible thing to do. It is hard enough for the female to have a litter every year but twice in one year. DISGUSTING!

I'll just say this.... for a site that is so incredibly particular about where snakes come from and how they're kept (I agree totally, BTW).... there sure are a lot of irresponsibly bred, BYB, totally unwarranted litters of dogs that are welcomed with open arms.

Here, I'll make a comparison that might be understood. Buying from a BYB is like buying a skinny hatchling from Petco. Supporting a BYB's decision to breed untested, untitled mixed breed dogs with no purpose other than to be pets is like *supporting* Petco's sale of skinny hatchlings.

Not all shelter dogs are ill - in fact, most are healthy. Kennel cough really isn't a big deal, as long as it's treated correctly. If kennel cough is someone's main excuse for not considering a shelter dog... yeesh.

I may be poo-pooed for this post... I have one snake, nothing fancy or pretty, just a plain, normal rescue. I know enough to keep him happy and healthy.... but I don't know nearly as much about BPs that many members here do.

What I DO know is dogs.... and this isn't the first time I've noticed the double standard regarding dogs here.

Perhaps I'm just a "snooty show person", but rest assured that the two show dogs I do own have extensively health tested parents and grandparents (and beyond) - and my dogs have health testing of their own. They are pets first and foremost, but they are also performance dogs with correct temperaments and very specific breeding. My corgi is from a health tested, stockdog-bred performance pedigree. And our 2nd corgi is on the way, 3 weeks old - from a fully health tested, responsible bred litter specifically brought into this world for performance and conformation.

Notice a trend? Extensive health testing, and from litters bred with a purpose in mind... not untested pets, bred to see what fun colors come out. Perhaps that's how it's done in snakes, but there's a lot more to dog breeding that having fun with color.

Just my two cents.

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Most of the hardcore herding folk I know get their herding dogs from proven, potent herding lines... not mixes from their neighbors. But I suppose they're snooty working folk. ;)

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As far as health testing on these puppies.... basing what I know of the three breeds in their makeup, I'd expect the following tests:

OFA Hips
OFA Elbows
Shoulder consult
BAER
Holter (performed annually, and before each planned litter)
annual CERF
TNS test
annual thyroid panel (through MSU or other OFA accepted lab)
Optigen (for collie eye anomaly)
MDS screening through WSU VCPL

And no, these tests are not included in yearly checkups. ;)

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Originally Posted by sekaiNdobes

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As far as health testing on these puppies.... basing what I know of the three breeds in their makeup, I'd expect the following tests:

OFA Hips
OFA Elbows
Shoulder consult
BAER
Holter (performed annually, and before each planned litter)
annual CERF
TNS test
annual thyroid panel (through MSU or other OFA accepted lab)
Optigen (for collie eye anomaly)
MDS screening through WSU VCPL

And no, these tests are not included in yearly checkups. ;)

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A dog wouldn't need those tests if it's very healthy. Some people like to feed their dogs dinner scraps which posses a higher risk for things to come later when the dog is old, but if the dog is walked each day, fed the right amount, never really fed scraps, active, brushed, bathed, etc. (which most people are willing to do those things for their dog(s)) I don't see the need for any of those tests. Though, the reasons why I wouldn't personally want to own a dog is:
-Have to do extra hard work to keep it healthy
-Pay expensive vet bills
-Get it shots
-Feed it everyday
-Let it outside
-Clean up the crap
-Clean up the puke
-Walk it
-Train it so it actually listens

I'm not a dog person at all, but I do find dogs to be very adorable. I just don't have the desire to own one when I'm on my own. It's just going to be me and the reptiles. That's all. I don't need anything else to satisfy myself. Snakes are 100x easier to care for IMO:P:D:gj:

I really tried not to comment on this post, but it is ridiculous to berate the OP like you have. Do any of you people that posted badly about this have kids? If so, are they all adopted? If the answer is no, then why not? There are millions of children that need a good home, and are in orphanages. Think that sounds crazy? So does making a big deal when somebody shows you the beautiful puppies they have.

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A dog wouldn't need those tests if it's very healthy. Some people like to feed their dogs dinner scraps which posses a higher risk for things to come later when the dog is old, but if the dog is walked each day, fed the right amount, never really fed scraps, active, brushed, bathed, etc. (which most people are willing to do those things for their dog(s)) I don't see the need for any of those tests. Though, the reasons why I wouldn't personally want to own a dog is:
-Have to do extra hard work to keep it healthy
-Pay expensive vet bills
-Get it shots
-Feed it everyday
-Let it outside
-Clean up the crap
-Clean up the puke
-Walk it
-Train it so it actually listens

I'm not a dog person at all, but I do find dogs to be very adorable. I just don't have the desire to own one when I'm on my own. It's just going to be me and the reptiles. That's all. I don't need anything else to satisfy myself. Snakes are 100x easier to care for IMO:P:D:gj:

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Are you kidding me? Wow. Health checks Should be done on EVERY dog no matter if they are deemed healthy by your vet or not. You cannot see if you are passing on some genetic problems. Dogs with hip dysplasia arent always bad enough to show symptoms, but that doesnt mean it should be bred.
What constitutes a good food to feed your dog anyway in your opinion?

Are your dog working farm dogs? I cant see a farmer who wants a true working dog, esp a herding dog buying an unproven puppy. NVM are all of the people you sold puppies to aware of the fact that border collies need a job and can be extremely neurotic and distructive if they are not given adequate amounts of exercise?

Honestly there is absolutely no way you can justify this litter of dogs, if you dont have health testing (not vet checks) and proven working ability they are like every other mutt on the planet, great pets but adding to the overpopulation problem.

BTW reputable shelters and rescues are not full of sick animals. If the animals are sick they are being treated. Kennel cough is not generally a big deal unless you are dealing with an animal with a supressed immune system. Plus, you can find pure breds in shelters, about half of all shelter dogs are purebreds.

Do you want to read a thread which I think encompasses why people are so passionate about irresponsible breeding?

http://pitbullforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=27224

And one last thing. Seka- thank you. I doubt most of the people on here would buy a random snake from their next door neighbour who thought it would be cute and fun to have baby snakes and to make a quick buck.

Both sides are very VALID points.

Shelters for one have a huge ass book you have to complete before they allow anything to be adopted. They have strict rules about where the dog can live and so on.

I recently this past year when to the local shelter as there was a sheppard puppy listed, i went to adopt him and they had a 15 page application on adopting a dog that had a death date in 2 weeks. Im sorry but 15 pages to adopt a dog that is set to be killed in 2 weeks is ridiculous.

I even had my father with as i was adopting this for him as he loves sheppards. They denied him cause of his location and his back yard was not suitable. Mind you my fathers back yard is 2 acres and fenced in. So rather adopt him out they denied every person application and the dog was sadly put down.


So there for im sick of shelters and will only buy from breeders who dont make you sit for 2 hours filling out paperwork to just get denied.

Edit: To add to this they even denied my mother a adult cat cause my 9 month old neise often visits my mothers house, but doesnt live or sleep there. They have a list of demands never met.

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Both sides are very VALID points.

Shelters for one have a huge ass book you have to complete before they allow anything to be adopted. They have strict rules about where the dog can live and so on.

I recently this past year when to the local shelter as there was a sheppard puppy listed, i went to adopt him and they had a 15 page application on adopting a dog that had a death date in 2 weeks. Im sorry but 15 pages to adopt a dog that is set to be killed in 2 weeks is ridiculous.

I even had my father with as i was adopting this for him as he loves sheppards. They denied him cause of his location and his back yard was not suitable. Mind you my fathers back yard is 2 acres and fenced in. So rather adopt him out they denied every person application and the dog was sadly put down.


So there for im sick of shelters and will only buy from breeders who dont make you sit for 2 hours filling out paperwork to just get denied.

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Some places go to far IMO, which makes it hard to adopt out the animals. But I wouldnt let that deter you from shelters or rescues. They have the animal's best interest in mind and the applications are to ensure that you can provide what the dog needs. ive read a ton of stories of people adopting pets and either bringing it back to the shelter because OMG it acts like a dog, or trying to find a home for it on kijiji/craigslist for the same reasons.

Reputable breeders will have an application just as long as most shelters. And if they dont have any applications/contract at all, they arent worth buying from.

At the very least I hope all the puppies will be spayed and neutered before being sent to their new homes. :mad:

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

I think another major thing that has to do with that is people not finding the right dog when they visit shelters. Some people want pure bred dogs, or nice looking mutts, and dogs that have a clean record. Clean record meaning no abuse, no parasites, etc. People are weird with Pit Bulls, since they are claimed to be born "fighters" when of course they are not, so they won't buy one from a shelter if they think it won't get along with the family or other family pets if it was used for fighting. The point is that some people want to get their dogs from top quality breeders so they have a nice dog without a bad history and know it came from someone with top notch breeding dogs.

People are starting to build non-kill shelters (these shelters are HUGE too, and have parts where the separate the new dogs from the already established dogs that got over sicknesses and got rid of parasites) so the dogs don't have to die, and so that most will get a good home.

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Your ignorance on this subject is truly astounding.

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Originally Posted by starrlamia

Some places go to far IMO, which makes it hard to adopt out the animals. But I wouldnt let that deter you from shelters or rescues. They have the animal's best interest in mind and the applications are to ensure that you can provide what the dog needs. ive read a ton of stories of people adopting pets and either bringing it back to the shelter because OMG it acts like a dog, or trying to find a home for it on kijiji/craigslist for the same reasons.

Reputable breeders will have an application just as long as most shelters. And if they dont have any applications/contract at all, they arent worth buying from.

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Thats true but my mother tired 2 different shelters and they all had different excuses as to why she cant have a cat.

I looked at shelters and rescues and they were either sick or not what my father wanted.

I ended up buying a Sheppard puppy from a local breeder for my father and hes been happy and the breeder still comes by and visits the dog.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...75f1189035.jpg

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

Thats true but my mother tired 2 different shelters and they all had different excuses as to why she cant have a cat.

I looked at shelters and rescues and they were either sick or not what my father wanted.

I ended up buying a Sheppard puppy from a local breeder for my father and hes been happy and the breeder still comes by and visits the dog.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...75f1189035.jpg

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Thats unfortunate and surprising.
Were the parent's health tested? GSDs are prone to hip dysplasia. Cute pup.

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Thats unfortunate and surprising.
Were the parent's health tested? GSDs are prone to hip dysplasia. Cute pup.

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Everything was tested and the breeder brings the mother and father of the pup with him when he visits. Both parents are 5 and 6 years old.

When i bought him i got many vet paper work with all types of testing done including the dewclaw removal when young. Never once had a problem with him at all. I hardly get to see the lil guy but my father has trained him now for tracking down deer in woods. He also only listens to commands in german.

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Everything was tested and the breeder brings the mother and father of the pup with him when he visits. Both parents are 5 and 6 years old.

When i bought him i got many vet paper work with all types of testing done including the dewclaw removal when young. Never once had a problem with him at all. I hardly get to see the lil guy but my father has trained him now for tracking down deer in woods. He also only listens to commands in german.

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Sounds like a great dog, and it is nice to hear of a GSD being given a job to do. They are great working dogs.

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And didn't she just have the other litter back in August??? That is in NO way, shape or form a responsible thing to do. It is hard enough for the female to have a litter every year but twice in one year. DISGUSTING!

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Yep. Less than 7 months ago (6-22-09) she had 10 puppies. Large litter and very little time to recuperate before she was irresponsibly bred again. And there are still idiots that will reply saying it's not irresponsible. These people either know nothing, or would rather stick up for their "friend" rather than look out for the well being of the dog. Here comes another interesting tidbit from the last litter's thread. Quoted from post #10 (which is a post by Jyson).

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Tell me about it, and even more shocking is that this is her FIRST(and only) litter!

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Hmmm. Looks familiar. So, how many "last" litters are you going to make her suffer before you either get her spayed, or she dies?
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=94628

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So if you have such a problem with this, then why don't you make your own thread and rant all about it.

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What's the point when you've already made one for me with examples? Thank you, BTW. <-------I might be rude, but at least I show my gratefulness.

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

A dog wouldn't need those tests if it's very healthy. Some people like to feed their dogs dinner scraps which posses a higher risk for things to come later when the dog is old, but if the dog is walked each day, fed the right amount, never really fed scraps, active, brushed, bathed, etc. (which most people are willing to do those things for their dog(s)) I don't see the need for any of those tests.

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Ok, seriously, don't open your mouth if you don't have a clue what you are talking about. These are GENETIC disorders, meaning if the parents have or carry the genes for them then it's highly likely the puppies will have issues down the line.

My boss has a mini schnauzer that at 2 years old developed cataracts and is now blind because he bought from some byb who didn't care about the issues that commonly plague the breed. My breed of choice, APBT stands at about 25% displaystic of dogs tested. I could show you xrays of a great dane puppy who was put down at 4 months old because his hips were completely out of the sockets due to careless breeding and he was in extreme agony.

But someone thought their dog just needed to be bred because it was cute or they wanted one just like it. They don't bother to think or care what happens to those dogs over the rest of their lives or how many more dogs are produced as a result of their litter. Out of sight, out of mind right?

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Ok, seriously, don't open your mouth if you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

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You really do not need to be so rude to people.

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

A dog wouldn't need those tests if it's very healthy.

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YES, they do.

I kjnow perfectly healthy dogs that were CERFed... turned out they had cataracts. Dogs were spayed/neutered. Not bred.

In my breed, a doberman can appear perfectly healthy, but be vWD affected. Then an idiot can breed that dog to another "perfectly healthy" dog, that also happens to be vWD affected. They produce a whole litter of vWD affected puppies. And half of them end up being clinical.

What would you tell those puppy owners, as they watch their puppies bleed to death from a simple scratch? Oh golly gee whiz, the parents were perfectly healthy!

Dogs with poor hips may never show signs of it... but they can pass it on, especially if bred to another dog with bad hips. Same thing with elbows.

Responsible breeders do extensive health testing, because they feel that EVERY dog they produce should have the very best start in life. They love their breed, and want to improve their dogs by reducing health problems, increasing longevity, improving structure and perfecting the correct temperament.

Both points are valid, but here's what I don't understand.

Why are people getting on the OP's case for breeding and supporting people to adopt from shelters with thousands of homeless animals when they bought a purebred from a breeder themselves and not a shelter? I understand you wanted a purebred, but don't get on their case about shelters unless you are also doing your part to help out the shelters and adopt. Maybe you are, but this sure doesn't seem the case.

And seriously, whether people know what they are talking about or not, being so incredibly rude is not going to get your point across in a better manner. In fact, it shows a lot about you. I don't care how passionate you are about the issue, discuss it and display your side. Attacking others makes your side look a lot worse.

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Originally Posted by Swingline0.0.1

I really tried not to comment on this post, but it is ridiculous to berate the OP like you have. Do any of you people that posted badly about this have kids? If so, are they all adopted? If the answer is no, then why not? There are millions of children that need a good home, and are in orphanages. Think that sounds crazy? So does making a big deal when somebody shows you the beautiful puppies they have.

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Well come on, I'm sure his feelings won't get hurt over this.

There's also a difference between breeding dogs as a hobby and passing on your genes.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Why are people getting on the OP's case for breeding and supporting people to adopt from shelters with thousands of homeless animals when they bought a purebred from a breeder themselves and not a shelter?

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Because there's a huge difference between the OP and actual responsible breeders. Responsible breeders don't breed to produce pets for the "market", and take back dogs they produce at any time - i.e. they aren't directly contributing to the shelter population. They title their dogs to ensure they are breeding quality specimens, and do extensive health testing to ensure they're not taking their breed backward.

My cats are from a shelter, but my dogs are from breeders... because I show my dogs in conformation and performance events. Rescue dogs can be great for performance, but in my breed there are several very serious health problems and I want to do everything in my power to ensure I have healthy dogs with the correct temperament. I have a wonderful breeder that consistently produces the type of dog I need for the activities we do.

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Both points are valid, but here's what I don't understand.

Why are people getting on the OP's case for breeding and supporting people to adopt from shelters with thousands of homeless animals when they bought a purebred from a breeder themselves and not a shelter? I understand you wanted a purebred, but don't get on their case about shelters unless you are also doing your part to help out the shelters and adopt. Maybe you are, but this sure doesn't seem the case.

And seriously, whether people know what they are talking about or not, being so incredibly rude is not going to get your point across in a better manner. In fact, it shows a lot about you. I don't care how passionate you are about the issue, discuss it and display your side. Attacking others makes your side look a lot worse.

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All of my animals except my dog and bp are rescues. My bf was the one who wanted a dog, and he wanted a specific breed. So we got a dog from a reputable breeder who works his dogs and health tested/certified his dogs. This isnt a popular enough breed of dog to find in a shelter (there are only a handful of breeders in North America and none would ever let their dogs end up in a shelter). Otherwise we would have gone to a shelter or rescue.

I have no problem with purebred dogs or people buying purebreds from a reputable breeder. But the OP is neither a reputable breeder, or someone breeding purebred dogs, so a rescue is a much better option (and the ethical option)

All of my dogs and cats are rescues. I have never bought from a breeder and never will...reputable or not. I don't disagree with breeding purebred, health tested, show quality dogs, but that doesn't mean I'm going to buy them. I believe that if people are going to breed these dogs they need to contribute to their local humane society.

In the matter of this litter and the one from June it's just downright irresponsible and I'm not going to overlook an irresponsible mutt breeder that is posting on a dog forum and getting congratulated for his irresponsibility.
And for those who gave me bad rep points....waste of your time. I could care less what you think of me. I'd give you bad rep points for congratulating an irresponsible mutt breeder, but I know they'd just be taken away anyway since most of the idiots congratulating Jyson and giving me bad rep are mods. Needless to say I'm not a fan of this site and will gladly go back to RZ when I'm finished here.