Piebald x Piebald??

Hi there. I was just searching through this part of the forum to find out what you'd produce when combining a visual pied to a visual pied, but most of the threads were about combos of different morphs.

What would you get if you crossed a pied with a pied? Would it be 100% pied clutch? I'm new at this genetics thing.

Thanks!! :)

Yes 100% pied's

With recessives visual bred to visual everything will be visual morph
visual recessive to normal (or anything non albino) everything will be het
visual recessive to het every egg has 75% chance of being visual

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Originally Posted by jjmitchell

visual recessive to normal (or anything non albino) everything will be het
visual recessive to het every egg has 75% chance of being visual

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albino works the same way as every other recessive, since in fact it is a recessive morph

and recessive x het is 50% visual, 50% het.

I have just put my pied female to a pied male..but just to double my chances I have also put her to a bp pewter..not fussed who's the daddy got to be a win win situation either way..tbh am really hedging for the pewter allthough the pied would be instant results..might put the pied male to a pastel for hets lol!

It would produce 100% Pied!

-Superb Exotics

Stay with the pewter....its a longer term project but more rewarding...

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Originally Posted by hmj75

Stay with the pewter....its a longer term project but more rewarding...

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I don't know. I sure would be proud to find 6 pieds pipping one day.
$6000 + worth of babies isn't too bad either.

Jim Smith

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

I don't know. I sure would be proud to find 6 pieds pipping one day.
$6000 + worth of babies isn't too bad either.

Jim Smith

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I agree!! :)

But to eventually have super black pastel pieds and Silver Streak Pieds ;)

Which would be more rewarding in the long term?

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Originally Posted by Mike@OutbackReptiles

But to eventually have super black pastel pieds and Silver Streak Pieds ;)

Which would be more rewarding in the long term?

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Breed your pieds together. Get 4-6 babies every year. Keep one female and sell the rest. After 3 years you've got 8-12 babies every year. Every year after that, you iincrease your breeders by one which means every year you increase your babies by 4-6. Now that's presuming everything goes well each year. Keep going like that and within 12 years, you've got a small fortune and then you can buy a super black pastel pieds pair or a Silver Streak Pieds pair. Thus accomplishing both tasks, becoming a pied god as well as setting up a future breeding plan without having to deal with the problems of working out a new morph.

Just one man's opinion,
Jim Smith

Let's just say a 4 egg clutch.

A) 4 Pied

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B) 1 Pewter Het Pied, 1 Black Pastel het Pied, 1 Pastel Het Pied, 1 Het Pied.


I think clutch B would probably sell for more money as well as do more to advance your breeding options down the road.

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Originally Posted by JayCee

Let's just say a 4 egg clutch.

A) 4 Pied

or

B) 1 Pewter Het Pied, 1 Black Pastel het Pied, 1 Pastel Het Pied, 1 Het Pied.


I think clutch B would probably sell for more money as well as do more to advance your breeding options down the road.

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But he was not talking about hets. It will take 6 + years to even think about Pewter pieds or black pastel pieds.

Now if you're just wanting het for pieds, then there's a big difference.

Jim Smith

He said he was putting his Pied male and his Pewter male to his Pied female.

If he produces a Pewter Het Pied male or Black Pastel Pied male, either could be bred back to mom and produce Pewter Pied, Pastel Pied or Black Pastel Pied the following year. It would require some luck, but it would be possible.

Or you could produce a bunch of pieds and sell them for $800 each next season ;)

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Originally Posted by JayCee

He said he was putting his Pied male and his Pewter male to his Pied female.

If he produces a Pewter Het Pied male or Black Pastel Pied male, either could be bred back to mom and produce Pewter Pied, Pastel Pied or Black Pastel Pied the following year. It would require some luck, but it would be possible.

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Like Jay stated it can take as little as a year with luck..pewter h pied male can easily be ready for the next year...plug that to the female and prey to the ball python gods...I say this route cause pieds are out there already but not many pewter pieds and its also a multiple gene snake....simple gene snakes are becoming a thing of the past.......Again nothing wrong with an entire batch of pieds but you have to be ahead of the game with so many people into ball pythons....just my 0.02 cents...

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

But he was not talking about hets. It will take 6 + years to even think about Pewter pieds or black pastel pieds.

Now if you're just wanting het for pieds, then there's a big difference.

Jim Smith

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Not necessarily. I have 3.0 Pewter het Pieds currently breeding multiple Pied, Pastel het Pieds, and next year they they'll be breeding my Pewter het Pied girls. This is a 2-4 year project depending on what sexes you get. I hope to produce the first Pewter Pieds or Sterling Pieds in 2010....and I think 1.0 breedable Pewter het Pied is worth more than 6 Pieds. Good luck getting $1000+ out of them when so many others are selling them at $800. Wish me luck.

Good luck with the project...since its co-dom with recessive your odds are a bit better that double recessive....post pics if you break the odds..

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Originally Posted by hmj75

Good luck with the project...since its co-dom with recessive your odds are a bit better that double recessive....post pics if you break the odds..

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Thanks Hector! My current group of co-dom het pieds is:
3.2 Pewter
0.3 Pastel
1.1 Cinny

Not a bad group to start with. I decided to focus on Pied combos about 3 years ago and it's looking good so far. I'll be sure to post pics if I hit any good odds.

Thanks again.