Help , My ball regurged while cleaning :SS

ok so today i putted my ball python in a temp vivarium after handling so i clean her viv. after some hours she started pooping alot and then my girlfriend found a regurged mouse.

i found some splashing on the newpaper but i dont know if its from the poop or vomit wich i dont hope so since i heard thats dangerous, i don't know if i can post pics of the scene if so i will.

i must mention that last meal was after 6days instead of 7days since the meal before i couldn't go buy the mice so i fed her wednesday instead of tuesday and then i fed her last tuesday wich was after 6days since the meal before the last one was wednesday. i don't know if 1day can make a difference but well i leave this to the experts. i already had regurgs accidents with my corn wich now he;s doing and eating meals fine and i don't want to pass the same thing again.

EDIT:also i have to mention that i had to touch her 24hours after eating her last meal since she shedded the days after eating and had a piece stuck on her tail

so it could be one of those reasons but i dunno.

This reminds me of a post where someone claimed a BP regurged after 8 days.

If you fed her 5 days ago, there shouldn't have been anything to regurgitate.

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Originally Posted by Elise.m

This reminds me of a post where someone claimed a BP regurged after 8 days.

If you fed her 5 days ago, there shouldn't have been anything to regurgitate.

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ok then explain me how the regurged mouse ended up in the temporary vivarium wich isn't used by any animal other then my snakes when im cleaning there primamry aquarium (i own a small corn and a ball, and the ball is the only one that eats adult mice)

i will post a pic of the regurged mouse and and the scene where it happened , but if there's another explanation how the regurged adult mice ended up in the container other then regurging (walking dead mice? or maybe it came out of the other end not completly digested? ) pls tell me.

P.S im not trying to make fun of things, i just can't find an explanation, and yes im thinking the same as you how come it regurged 6days after she ate...

ok your post is a little hard to read since it seems like you are totally freaking out.

But it sounds like you fed her one day earlier than you normally do...which should not be a big deal. But 24 hours after she ate you took her out due to a shed issue.


Is that right?

If so...I bet she did that due to the handling too soon after she ate. But then again....I have not been doing this that long. As far as a shed issue ....I probably would of waited to handle that until after the 48 hours had passed. Digesting her food is way more important than some shed left on her tail.

But keep this thread going so someone with more experience can reply.

If its in fact a mouse regurge after 5 days then be glad the snake threw it up.

This is a sign of bad temps if the mouse has not digested after 5 days and if it were to stay in her, the mouse would only rot in the stomach.

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

If its in fact a mouse regurge after 5 days then be glad the snake threw it up.

This is a sign of bad temps if the mouse has not digested after 5 days and if it were to stay in her, the mouse would only rot in the stomach.

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That would be the only other reason she would still have a mouse in her belly after 5 days. What are your temps and how are you tracking them? Oh, and are you using a heat lamp or an UTH?

Im totally confused....maybe its just a blonde moment for me...happens often!! How long ago did your snake eat?

OK OK, So sorry for being so freaked out first things, but after my bad expirience with my corn snake regurg wich now hopefully passed i don't want this to happen to my ball.

so i will try to explain better, but my english is bad so i don't know how to perfectly explain in english since i live on an island called malta and english is not my language.

i feed my snakes on Tuesdays. not last feeding, but the feeding before i fed on wednesday instead. and then last feeding i fed on tuesday like usual. so between 2 feedings ago and the last feed there were 6days instead of 7.

now, for heat i use a UTH. and for controlling the temps, i know im gonna get shouted at but im controlling them with a kitchen decorative thermometre. i know , i should get a tempgun , and i bought it already at 3rd december wich was shiped to malta from hong kong on 5th december and is still not here (alot of things to ship for christmas maybe) but should be here this week hopefully. temps are fine on the kitchen thermometre but yeah i know its not reliable, but if it where temps issues wouldn have she regurged in her last 4feedings too? but well i'll leave that to you guys.

im gonna upload pics in some minutes, thanks for the help so far and i hope i explained the situation better.

Are you sure it wasn't just a fuzzy poop?

Need to know TEMPS not how you control them right now.

And yes snakes can not digest fur so they poop is out.

Had you recently treated the snake for anything? Mites or anything? Did it come in contact with any chemical? What kind of substrate are you using?

If the warm side of the enclosure is up around 90 degrees and the ambient is 80 or higher then there is some other reason the mouse was not digested.

I asked the other questions because sometimes after treating for mites or infection etc.. They can get the "runs" and the poop might look like a half digested mouse. If it is clearly an undigested mouse then either the snake is sick and could not properly digest it, or it was not warm enough to digest. Maybe there was something wrong with the mouse?? IDK

Whatever you do, if it was a regurge, do not feed the snake for a couple weeks. Give it a chance to recover before attempting to feed again.

I hope you get it figured out.

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Are you sure it wasn't just a fuzzy poop?

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That's what I'm thinking. Plus, are you controlling the UTH with a thermostat? I don't think changing the feeding schedule had anything to do with this, neither does feeding 6 days after instead of 7. Some people feed their snakes every 3 days, and some others will feed theirs every 5, so I know that it not the case. I would consider getting a digital thermometer, those are very accurate. Stick it on the bottom of the enclosure right above the UTH and tell us the temps. If you do not have it controlled by a thermostat your snake can get burns and can also die from overheating.

OK here are the pic of the regurged mouse, you can see his brain shape as far as i can see but well anyways maybe its not a regurg? but it feels like meat to me. not some high quality camera but should be enough to identify if its a regurg or no i think.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...8/2/regurg.jpg

here's the zone where she regurged.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...urg_zone_2.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...gurg_zone1.jpg

i hope this helps, also i forgot to mention i poped her this week if it has anything to do with it , i think she's a female since i poped my corn 2 and he showed his hemiphenese but thats for another thread where i'll post some pics. this is more serious.

im taking the temps now with my thermometre. and also for some people that told me to buy a thermometre in the last few posts as i already said my tempgun (infrared thermometre gun) is on the way being shiped.

thanks for the help so far.

the second piic shows the splashing

Looks like poop to me.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Looks like poop to me.

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Thats poop with fur since snakes cant digest fur

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Looks like poop to me.

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it doesn't to me. it pooped 2times before that, black poop (its shown in one of the pictures the second one or maybe thats what you saw? ) only the first picture shows the mouse. the second shows the scene with poop and splashing on the news paper and the third shows a close up on the splashing and part of the poop. i made the second and the third pics as a reference to show the splashing maybe somebody can identify if its vomit or not.

but i assure that the first pic doesnt show poop, it feels like meet, it doesnt break up too unless they can poop undigested mice anyway.

btw, should i leave her 15days without food and then start feeding her again like with corns?

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it doesn't to me. it pooped 2times before that, black poop (its shown in one of the pictures the second one or maybe thats what you saw? ) only the first picture shows the mouse. the second shows the scene with poop and splashing on the news paper and the third shows a close up on the splashing and part of the poop. i made the second and the third pics as a reference to show the splashing maybe somebody can identify if its vomit or not.

but i assure that the first pic doesnt show poop, it feels like meet, it doesnt break up too unless they can poop undigested mice anyway.

btw, should i leave her 15days without food and then start feeding her again like with corns?

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If you ever had a cat throw up a hair ball its the same thing sometimes when snakes poop out a hair ball since they cant not digest fur. that is not a regurge, as a regurge you would not be playing with it as it will stink up the whole room to where you would be gagging

It looks like poop to me also. I find that my snakes have different "kinds" of poop. Sometimes they come out looking brown and like regular poop. Sometimes all they are all hairy... And no the hairy ones won't just break apart if you touch it. Don't ask me how I know this. :)

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Sometimes all they are all hairy... And no the hairy ones won't just break apart if you touch it. Don't ask me how I know this. :)

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Ok sorry but that was funny!

it kind of looks like a funky urate in a way but the pic is blurry and hard to tell.

I think the key here is that you handled the snake 24 hrs after feeding right? You should not handle for 48 hours...espcially if you gave it a bath or something. Either way...and I am by no mean super knowledgable.....I would probably wait the 2 weeks to feed again just in case it was a regurge. But that is just me and I am typically a paraniod mom.

By the way...I think Coolio Tiff was asking if you have a thermometer on your UTH...making sure it is controlling the UTH. Otherwise those UTH's can just get as hot as they want.

I think she understood that you have a temp gun on the way.

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

Ok sorry but that was funny!

it kind of looks like a funky urate in a way but the pic is blurry and hard to tell.

I think the key here is that you handled the snake 24 hrs after feeding right? You should not handle for 48 hours...espcially if you gave it a bath or something. Either way...and I am by no mean super knowledgable.....I would probably wait the 2 weeks to feed again just in case it was a regurge. But that is just me and I am typically a paraniod mom.

By the way...I think Coolio Tiff was asking if you have a thermometer on your UTH...making sure it is controlling the UTH. Otherwise those UTH's can just get as hot as they want.

I think she understood that you have a temp gun on the way.

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48 hrs is general rule but i hold many 24 hrs after at times no ill effect what so ever. Then again i feed smaller prey more often to keep them content rather full.


and your thinking of thermostat which controls heating, a thermometer only reads the heat.

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and your thinking of thermostat which controls heating, a thermometer only reads the heat.

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oh yea...duh...blonde moment. Poor OP....he already has trouble with english and then I post...:rofl:

Ok , So this may be seem disgasting (well actually picturing myself doing it it is...) while drinking my cup of green tea and smoking my last cigarette before going to sleep and reading these posts about people saying it looks like fair from the blured crapy picture i posted and i was 99% sure it was a regurg i said dang it, i'll try to scretch it , and i did. it broke apart and looks like fur to me too so i think it is fair fur or however it spells.

well now im 99% sure its fur or whatever and i got scared for nothing. well i'll feed her again tomorrow its the only way to be sure, if she regurgs i'll shoot myself lol. thanks for all the help!! and sorry for being over alarmed again but as i said i had bad expirience with regurgs and my corn snake never pooped fur.

Definitely poop with some built up fur. Poop doesn't always look the same. ;)

Since the original issue was resolved I have a couple things here that I am worried about. If you could answer these questions for me, I would really appreciate it.

What size tank is your snake in?

How old is your snake?

Are your ball python and corn snake in the same cage?

What kind of hides do you use?

What substrate do you use?

Is there anything directly hooked up to the UTH to control it? You said thermomete, which I'm guessing you mean a thermometer, which reads the temperatures themselves. You need some of those to know what temperatures are in the cage, and you also need a thermostat which is what is hooked up to a UTH to control it. Sometimes, you can also use rheostats.

Feeding a day early would not be an issue at all. Many people feed ball pythons every 5 days or every 7 days. Either is acceptable.

Thanks, and best of luck!

Quite honestly, if it was regurg the easiest way to tell would have been the smell, especially after 5 days. Regurg has a smell like none other and it can be smelled from a long long ways away. Yeah, sometimes the poops are messy or stink or whatever, but the smell of regurg is simply unmistakable.

Glad you got it all sorted out.

LOL that is definately a fur poo!

Your snakes will usually eliminate a normal looking "turd" that looks just like small dog poo. Sometimes you get the white urates and some other times you may get that "hairball" type poo. Thats totally normal and it just shows you that everything is working fine inside your snake :D

Dont worry about him and feed him like normal. He's fine.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Definitely poop with some built up fur. Poop doesn't always look the same. ;)

Since the original issue was resolved I have a couple things here that I am worried about. If you could answer these questions for me, I would really appreciate it.

What size tank is your snake in?

How old is your snake?

Are your ball python and corn snake in the same cage?

What kind of hides do you use?

What substrate do you use?

Is there anything directly hooked up to the UTH to control it? You said thermomete, which I'm guessing you mean a thermometer, which reads the temperatures themselves. You need some of those to know what temperatures are in the cage, and you also need a thermostat which is what is hooked up to a UTH to control it. Sometimes, you can also use rheostats.

Feeding a day early would not be an issue at all. Many people feed ball pythons every 5 days or every 7 days. Either is acceptable.

Thanks, and best of luck!

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What size tank is your snake in?
its not in a tank , its on a shelf vivarium wich i built myself and no i didnt fill it water to see how much litteres it holds, its enough for her for now. size is gonna be increased since i have to buy a new viv cause im moving out.

How old is your snake?
4/5months

Are your ball python and corn snake in the same cage?
definitly NO

What kind of hides do you use?
i make hides myself using cardboard or pieces of boxes wich i throw away after somedays and make new ones, its fun making new hideouts ;)

What substrate do you use?
was using wood shavings, changed to newspaper yesterday when i cleaned.

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Quite honestly, if it was regurg the easiest way to tell would have been the smell, especially after 5 days. Regurg has a smell like none other and it can be smelled from a long long ways away. Yeah, sometimes the poops are messy or stink or whatever, but the smell of regurg is simply unmistakable.

Glad you got it all sorted out.

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my corn snake regurged 4times and it never had smelled as much as you're describing it. i hope it wasn't furballs too that he regurged, but experts on the cornsnake forums never mentioned that to me anyway.

Last March not too long after I got my BP and before I realized how important it was to keep ambient temps up, we had a freak late cold snap here in Houston (it got down to low 30's, IIRC). A day or 2 later, my BP passed a partially digested mouse, caused a prolapse. Looked a lot like your furry turd.