An Eerie Glimpse of Whats to Come

Just finished my daily read of the Humane Society of the United States blog written by the HSUS CEO Wayne Pacelle.

Yesterday, Wayne and the HSUS graded President Obama for his efforts in 2009 promoting animal protection. They gave him a B minus.

Of particular interest to anyone that owns a "non-native" or "exotic" pet (these animals include all reptiles, all amphibians, most caged birds, many small mammals, and almost all fresh and saltwater aquarium fish) ... The HSUS stated:

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"At the Department of the Interior (DOI), led now by Secretary Ken Salazar, the Department sustained a ban on the import of sport-hunted polar bear trophies into the United States and also submitted a proposal to provide greater protections for polar bears by moving the species to Appendix I of CITES, which would halt the international trade in polar bear skins. DOI has also actively supported legislation to list nine species of large constrictor snakes as injurious, which will prohibit imports and interstate commerce, based on a comprehensive risk assessment by the U.S. Geological Survey. The Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) is now considering how to improve the process for listing species as injurious. The agency has also dropped its appeal of a U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia decision overturning FWS’ rule allowing canned hunts of endangered species."

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Of course they mention the python & boa ban, but more importantly and what should be of concern to most is the comment about FWS improving the process for listing species as injurious. What they are talking about is HR 669. It may not have any activity currently, but the ideas that created it and the drive to pass it are still very active. This spring, the Senate will take it's turn to try and get something passed that will give FWS unprecedented powers that could result in many commonly kept pets being listed as "injurious" with only a couple of hours of consideration by a graduate student working for the government part time.

I hate to give the join/donate/get your cr@p together speech because I know that you've all heard it time and time again, but I'll say it a little differently than you've heard it before. It's time that we all started thinking about making an investment in our own future. If you normally make $10,000 a year selling snakes that you produce, 5% of that is $500. That's not a lot to ask to secure your future. If someone offered you an animal normally worth $10,000 for $500, you'd give that money up in a heartbeat if you were in love with the animal because it's an awesome deal. Well, giving that $500 to USARK, or PIJAC, or NATPET, or whoever so that those organizations can secure your future is a great deal too. 5% of your gross a year so that you can keep doing what you love for the rest of your life is a GREAT deal.

Just some food for thought.

Thank you to everyone for being involved and making calls and sending emails and arranging meetings and everything else that you're doing. That's an investment as well and it is appreciated more than you'll ever know.

Respectfully,
Adam

Monitor lizards are on the radar of senator Nelson as well in his BS testimony.
YouTube - Nelson implores lawmakers to pass a ban on Burmese pythons
He sounds more like the puppet Bert from sesame street everytime i hear him.

A very famous quote I'm changing to fit our current endever

Reverend Martin Niemoeller, quotes about Nazi (changed to fit our current fight):
In America, the government first came for the Burmese, Retic and Rock Pythons , and I didn't speak up because I had none. Then they came for the Monitor Lizards, and I didn't speak up because I had no monitors. Then they came for the whole of the Python species, and I didn't speak up because I kept none. Then they came for all the exotics, but I didn't speak up because I was a dog person. Then they came for my dog, and by that time there was no one left to speak for me.

Speak up now or there may be no one left when they come for your pet's..

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

A very famous quote I'm changing to fit our current endever

Reverend Martin Niemoeller, quotes about Nazi (changed to fit our current fight):
In America, the government first came for the Burmese, Retic and Rock Pythons , and I didn't speak up because I had none. Then they came for the Monitor Lizards, and I didn't speak up because I had no monitors. Then they came for the whole of the Python species, and I didn't speak up because I kept none. Then they came for all the exotics, but I didn't speak up because I was a dog person. Then they came for my dog, and by that time there was no one left to speak for me.

Speak up now or there may be no one left when they come for your pet's..

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I think this is one of the best posts I have seen on any forum! AMEN to that !

bill nelson...... when he speaks I can feel my iq drop. They have fangs with fish hooks on them. And there hunting the florida panthers! And I still dont believe that snake killed that baby. Burmese pythons are not hunting people in the everglades.

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Originally Posted by Denial

bill nelson...... when he speaks I can feel my iq drop. They have fangs with fish hooks on them. And there hunting the florida panthers! And I still dont believe that snake killed that baby. Burmese pythons are not hunting people in the everglades.

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Given what we know about burms and snakes in general.. there are some things that don't add up..

1: Burm that big bites anyone with a feeding response..your going to hear a scream and there is going to be loads of blood..
2: The report says that the animal was laying on top of the baby and defensive.

Here's what I think happened. Snake escapes, finds its way in to baby's room, snake is cold, baby is warm, snake curls up on baby like a heat pad, snake weighs so much baby can't breath due to the weight sitting on its chest, baby (tragically) dies, dad rushes in see the snake and baby dead, dad gets aggressive, snake get aggressive, dad grabs knife wounds snake, snake runs off, dad's not sure what happened due to adrenaline and flat not being there when it all went down..

It use to happen with cats..people with cats know they like to sleep on peoples chest..well you get a 10lb cat sleeping on baby's chest it can't breath. Mom comes in finds dead baby under cat..POOF!! old wives tail starts that cats steal babies breath when they sleep..

In truth its call positional asphyxiation, same principle used in crucifixion and other old forms of execution.

Just food for thought.

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Originally Posted by Denial

bill nelson...... when he speaks I can feel my iq drop. They have fangs with fish hooks on them. And there hunting the florida panthers! And I still dont believe that snake killed that baby. Burmese pythons are not hunting people in the everglades.

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I'm just trying to find the source that he is talking about when he says they have teeth with fish hooks on them. WTF!!!

Ugh...I think I want to move to FL just to vote this guy OUT of office.

Even before this man speaks I look at him and kind of get the creepies....really!!

and by the way...hasn't it been proven that they are NOT at the top of the food chain. They do have predators????

Birds, cats (native and feral), gators, etc... pretty much any animal that eats other snakes is just as likely to eat burms... After a certain size though, that list will narrow itself down, and some of those might actually become prey of the burms (mainly feral cats of that list). At the largest size it will probably only go down to just gators beating them out as top predators, and I'll tell you something. A 13 foot gator goes up a 13 foot python in the water, the gator wins hands down. It will weigh probably 5 times what the snake does. I'd go after a 13 foot burm by myself, but you're not getting me after a 13 foot gator without at least one other person helping.

well they are also talking about these big cats found in the belly of a burm???? Were those babies? I don't see anyting of that size with those claws NOT being able to tear up a snake. Maybe its just me being a newbie but.....that doesn't make sense to me.

The baby had a bite from the snake on the crown of its head, so it appears that for whatever freak reason, the snake did constrict the baby. Animals are not predictable. It shouldn't have happened logically, but it did. It wouldn't have happened if the door to the room the snake was in had been closed, and the snake was in a secure cage.

As for the Key Largo Wood Rats, two were found in the belly of a burm. Florida panthers were SPECULATED to be a potential target, by assuming a burm could eat panther kittens, but no such situation has been observed.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

The baby had a bite from the snake on the crown of its head

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Just FYI ... That was not the only animal bite on the little girl. The investigation is still on going. There is more to it than has been published publicly.

-adam

It already occurred to me that using a rat to make the child smell like food to the snake would have been the perfect murder.

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

I'm just trying to find the source that he is talking about when he says they have teeth with fish hooks on them. WTF!!!

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he says it in the video above.

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

well they are also talking about these big cats found in the belly of a burm???? Were those babies? I don't see anyting of that size with those claws NOT being able to tear up a snake. Maybe its just me being a newbie but.....that doesn't make sense to me.

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I agree. I very highly doubt a burm would consider an adult florida panther a food source. And if for some reason they did I highly doubt the burm would win. Those are some large cats. and like you said those claws are huge

I watched a documentary on andacondas and during the video there was a fight between a 20ft andaconda and a jaguar ( or similiair big cat) and the snake got worked. If a 20ft andaconda can't take down a big cat then a burm has NO chance.

Very interesting information Adam, the thought being that maybe the child was abused and the snake is the scapegoat?

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Originally Posted by Kysenia

Very interesting information Adam, the thought being that maybe the child was abused and the snake is the scapegoat?

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The Florida authorities already settled on the idea that it was a bizarre case of child abuse. Last I heard, the parents are doing hard time in the state pen.

So if this is the case, that they are convicted of child abuse, where are the stories about this? I am curious as to how anyone can use a case as such if abuse was involved and use a snake in the home as the fire that has put the reptile and pet ownership nation under the scope. I know we are dealing with HSUS but if this is the case would it not make sense to expose this in testimony and how this situation is being used to represent reptile keepers, snakes etc as a whole?

Thats exactly what I was talking about in a post the other day! They did post a news article about finding it suspicious that the man didnt answer the question when asked if he was abusive to the little girl and if there had been an incident that night. Before the snake was found on her.

What gets me about the reports now is they are saying the little girl had multiple bites. One on her forehead and others on her arms.. That doesnt make any sense. None at all. If she had that much damage from the tiny tiny little teeth that even a 10 ft Burm has.. Something is not right. Someone is lying about something. Ive been bit by these guys before. They do not have teeth like a retic. They are little bitty pin prick teeth. Even on the big guys!

And at first they say its 12 ft but then they say it was 8 ft? Every report I can find says something different. Why cant they just republish it and tell the truth? That they are suspicious and never believed from the start that the snake actually killed her

That post bt Wildmoprhs is AWESOME btw. I borrowed it. Hope you dont mind. We need to find a way to open the eyes of the mammel owners.

I wonder how we can find out how many people in senator nelsons family have a pet?

Bill was doing semi ok at first, up until the point where he makes the statement that pythons will migrate all the way across the southern states to California.

You have to be a complete idiot, because I live in California, and while it gets hot as hell here, it does not get humid and wetlands are not common here whatsoever. In short, the environment is unlike Burma and Florida.

It's always funny how the so called authorities give advice on subjects they know nothing about.

You see this with Catholic priests giving marital advice, when they have no idea what marriage is like, or when a politician like Bill, talks about snakes, yet he has probably never owned one and is relying on the U.S. Fish & Wildlife, who uses al la carte made to order so called scientific papers to back up the desired result.

Is it just me, or is this criminal?

Brandon

It is but with the way the world governments are, what isnt?

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Originally Posted by BrandonsBalls

Bill was doing semi ok at first, up until the point where he makes the statement that pythons will migrate all the way across the southern states to California.

You have to be a complete idiot, because I live in California, and while it gets hot as hell here, it does not get humid and wetlands are not common here whatsoever. In short, the environment is unlike Burma and Florida.

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I'd also like to see how the snakes would cross New Mexico and Arizona. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by BrandonsBalls

U.S. Fish & Wildlife, who uses al la carte made to order so called scientific papers to back up the desired result.

Is it just me, or is this criminal?

Brandon

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im sure that paper was paid to order!
just like the last one.

you know if anyone wit hhalf a brain could just take the info to a csi and with the basic training they have they could prove that the snake was or was not the killer of the child. I also Think it a smart move on the sentor part to leave out that the owner of the snake that killed the child had it illegaly since ther a permit and the snake required to be chiped in florida. ( remember ed that much from the news report.) I be the sentor in question never handle or seen one of these snakes up close that was properly caged and cared for.

The ban will not solve the problem in his state just pentlize the rest of us.

IT like I said about the current and proposed reptile regulation changes how they gonig ot enforce them since they don't enforce the current ones.

I bet there are many people that don't have the old regulations followed let alone the proposed new ones. I have had snakes over 15 years and only visits I get are from people bringing me snakes or looknig to adopt. and then the DNrece guys are dropping off nonnative snake to me lol I have an open door pocily want o look/inspect my snakes, rack, reptile stuff come in no problem just call to make sure I am home.