Wow is all I have to say

http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/...ile_trade.html

Read it completely through

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Originally Posted by thegoalie22

http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/...ile_trade.html

Read it completely through

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WOW! I am shocked by the negative slant on that article. I had no idea that the HSUS took that stance....I don't believe that information is accurate....I'm still whirling...

They will stop at nothing and use every angle they can. Reptiles now, dogs and cats still to come (or go, as it were).

Yes sir same old argument about the aoonotic diseases. So here is the full list for that.
Common Zoonoses Source: http:www.cdc.gov/healthypets/browse_by_animal.htm
Birds
Chlamydia psittaci Infection (psittacosis)
Cryptococcus Infection (cryptococcosis)
Salmonella Infection (salmonellosis)
Cats
Campylobacter Infection (campylocacteriosis)
Cat Scratch Disease (Bartonella henselae)
Coxiella burnetti Infection (Q fever)
Cryptosporidium Infection (cryptosporidiosis)
Dipylidium Infection (tapeworm)
Hookworm Infection
Leptospira Infection (leptospirosis)
Plague (Yersinia pestis) Infection
Rabies
Ringworm
Roundworm
Salmonella Infection (salmonellosis)
Tapeworm (flea tapeworm)
Toxocara Infection (toxocariasis, roundworm)
Toxoplasma Infection (toxoplasmosis)
Dogs
Brucella canis Infection (brucellosis)
Campylobacter Infection (campylobacteriosis)
Cryptosporidium Infection (cryptosporidiosis)
Dipylidium Infection (tapeworm)
Giardia Infection (giardiasis)
Hookworm Infection
Leishmania Infection (leishmaniasis)
Leptospira Infection (leptospirosis)
Lyme Disease
Q fever (Coxiella burnetti)
Rabies
Ringworm
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Roundworm
Salmonella Infection (salmonellosis)
Tapeworm (flea tapeworm)
Toxocara Infection (toxocariasis, roundworm)
Farm Animals
Bovine spongiform encephalopthy (BSE, mad cow disease)
Brucella Infection (brucellosis)
Campylobacter Infection (campylobacteriosis)
Cryptosporidium Infection (cryptosporidiosis)
Escherichia coli O157:H7
Q Fever (Coxiella burnetti) Infection
Rabies
Ringworm
Salmonella Infection (salmonellosis)
Yersinia enterocolitica (yersiniosis)
Fish and Amphibians
Salmonella Infection (salmonellosis)
Horses
Campylobacter Infection (campylobacteriosis)
Cryptosporidium Infection (cryptosporidiosis)
Leptospira Infection (Leptospirosis)
Rabies
Ringworm
Salmonella Infection (salmonellosis)
Reptiles
Salmonella Infection (salmonellosis)
Wildlife
Baylisascaris Infection (raccoon roundworm)
Brucella Infection (brucellosis)
Giardia Infection (giardiasis)
Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome (hantavirus)
Herpesvirus simiae Infection (B virus)
Histoplasma Infection (histoplasmosis)
Lymphocytic Choriomeningitis
Mycobacterium tuberculosis Infection (TB)
Plague (Yersinia pestis Infection)
Rabies
Tularemia
Pocket Pets
Salmonella
Lymphocytic Choriomeningitis Virus

It looks like reptiles are the only pets that carry one disease. It's just the common public not liking or being afraid of reptiles.

That is amazing that the HSUS just completely say dont own reptiles at all. Its gotten to the point that the own society we go to to protect our animals, we now have to fight against. They are completely unreasonable and i can't believe they even published this article.

People need to read this. I think its just rediculous. If you disagree with all said on this link below, reply, "Herps forever, back down we will never!"

http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/...ile_trade.html

Herps forever, back down we will never! :salute:

im not surpirised nor amazed with the HSUS stupidity.
nor would it shock me that they would post garbage.
come on guys look at all the hokie news reports about snakes being found all over the place. and being found in boxes on street corners, then you have that hsus crackhead that was supposedly "held hostage in her car".

this is exactly what this group is about its no big secret. look at all the investigations on both the hsus peta and the many other crackpot groups

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WOW! I am shocked by the negative slant on that article. I had no idea that the HSUS took that stance....I don't believe that information is accurate....I'm still whirling...

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Yea, your going to get sea sick before you head stops whirling about H.S.U.S. They are NOT in the least bit our allies. Shame on them! They are supposed to be in the corner of the animals, supporting good husbandry, educating about proper care. Instead they have seen the dollars signs of special interests, JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH PIT BULLS and totally disregarded the animals involved. I really didn't understand what they were all about until I had a Pit Bull years ago either. Pretty sad huh! Just one small step down the ladder from the nuts at P.E.T.A.

Herps forever, back down we will never!


Never give up.

Never surrender!

Someone just posted the same thing.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...14#post1225714

The problem BG sees with this is the fact that a lot of what they say is in fact unfortunately TRUE.

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Originally Posted by snakemastercanada

Yes sir same old argument about the aoonotic diseases. So here is the full list for that.
Common Zoonoses Source: http:www.cdc.gov/healthypets/browse_by_animal.htm
Birds
Chlamydia psittaci Infection (psittacosis)
Cryptococcus Infection (cryptococcosis)
Salmonella Infection (salmonellosis)
Cats
Campylobacter Infection (campylocacteriosis)
Cat Scratch Disease (Bartonella henselae)
Coxiella burnetti Infection (Q fever)
Cryptosporidium Infection (cryptosporidiosis)
Dipylidium Infection (tapeworm)
Hookworm Infection
Leptospira Infection (leptospirosis)
Plague (Yersinia pestis) Infection
Rabies
Ringworm
Roundworm
Salmonella Infection (salmonellosis)
Tapeworm (flea tapeworm)
Toxocara Infection (toxocariasis, roundworm)
Toxoplasma Infection (toxoplasmosis)
Dogs
Brucella canis Infection (brucellosis)
Campylobacter Infection (campylobacteriosis)
Cryptosporidium Infection (cryptosporidiosis)
Dipylidium Infection (tapeworm)
Giardia Infection (giardiasis)
Hookworm Infection
Leishmania Infection (leishmaniasis)
Leptospira Infection (leptospirosis)
Lyme Disease
Q fever (Coxiella burnetti)
Rabies
Ringworm
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Roundworm
Salmonella Infection (salmonellosis)
Tapeworm (flea tapeworm)
Toxocara Infection (toxocariasis, roundworm)
Farm Animals
Bovine spongiform encephalopthy (BSE, mad cow disease)
Brucella Infection (brucellosis)
Campylobacter Infection (campylobacteriosis)
Cryptosporidium Infection (cryptosporidiosis)
Escherichia coli O157:H7
Q Fever (Coxiella burnetti) Infection
Rabies
Ringworm
Salmonella Infection (salmonellosis)
Yersinia enterocolitica (yersiniosis)
Fish and Amphibians
Salmonella Infection (salmonellosis)
Horses
Campylobacter Infection (campylobacteriosis)
Cryptosporidium Infection (cryptosporidiosis)
Leptospira Infection (Leptospirosis)
Rabies
Ringworm
Salmonella Infection (salmonellosis)
Reptiles
Salmonella Infection (salmonellosis)
Wildlife
Baylisascaris Infection (raccoon roundworm)
Brucella Infection (brucellosis)
Giardia Infection (giardiasis)
Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome (hantavirus)
Herpesvirus simiae Infection (B virus)
Histoplasma Infection (histoplasmosis)
Lymphocytic Choriomeningitis
Mycobacterium tuberculosis Infection (TB)
Plague (Yersinia pestis Infection)
Rabies
Tularemia
Pocket Pets
Salmonella
Lymphocytic Choriomeningitis Virus

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I hope you don't mind. This post is so great, I had to pass it on in a few other forums!

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The problem BG sees with this is the fact that a lot of what they say is in fact unfortunately TRUE.

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Well true it may be, we still have to beleive in what we love.

ITs ALL LIES AND PROPOGANDA I SAY!~!!

id like to see where they got their 1 million reptiles imported data from.

I love the whole salmonella angle..never mind that there are more things in the local produce and meat section of your neighborhood Wal-mart that have a higher risk of carrying that and far worse..But see that's not a creepy slimy snake..it would be eggs, steak.. I mean you don't see the Strawberry industry fighting for their life after 32 kids caught Hepatitis A from strawberrys at school now do you.. Or all the lead poisoning from China products nope they just slap their wrist and keep on collecting that pay check.

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Originally Posted by steveboos

That is amazing that the HSUS just completely say dont own reptiles at all. Its gotten to the point that the own society we go to to protect our animals, we now have to fight against. They are completely unreasonable and i can't believe they even published this article.

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Don't confuse the HSUS with the ASPCA. The ASPCA (the society that protects animals), actually went head to head the HSUS a while back; they were taking donations and not providing promised care to animals.

HSUS is kind of like PETA. They are all talk and want all the credit they can possibly get and do no work. The ASPCA are the "good guys", so to speak. They actually step in and help the animals. As far as I know, the ASPCA also doesn't make a stance one way or another towards exotics pets. Any opinions I've ever gotten from them were individual and generally all felt "if you can care for it properly, we're okay with that."

We should compile a list of all the bad things that happen when people are irresponsible with mammal and bird pets. Like not getting proper shots, not spaying/neutering, dog fighting, chicken fighting, how many animals are euthanized because they can't find homes, stray cats, etc....

I bet our list would be a whole lot longer and more detrimental than that tiny thing. Just 6% of salmonella cases is all you got? They get bigger and live long lifes? What happens when you buy a cute little husky puppy and it gets to be 150lbs?

There's no reason we should be held accountable for wild caught animals just because there's no humane animal treatment rules in the countries they are caught. Put restrictions on import companies and hold them to a standard, like Nike using children to make their shoes.

The constitution protects minorities from the majority or is supposed to anyway.

This is pathetic...it's so...stupid. I don't know whether to laugh or cry...both I think.

Doesn't surprise me one bit. They'll use any angle they can, and spread any falsehood they can, to get their way.

Y'know what's even better? They don't like the entire pet trade. The following quote is taken directly from their website.

"The HSUS opposes the sale of dogs, cats, and other animals through pet stores and other commercial operations."

So...they don't want any animal bought or sold. Interesting. I wonder just what they want to do with them, then....

I've perused their spendatures from last year (they post their tax papers on their website). It's sad where most of their money seems to go: salaries and lobbying. And on another paper (accessible from their website) they state multiple times that in 2008, they helped just over 70,000 pets. I thought that a rather pathetic number for a company whose assets total nearly $200 million (again, from tax papers).

Let's take a huge leap of faith and assume that this article from HSUS is accurate (difficult, I know): "Estimated number of cats and dogs entering shelters each year: 6-8 million." Wow, they helped 70,000 pets. That's really something to brag about for a group supposedly devoted to helping animals....

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It is my personal opinion that people with weak immune systems should be outdoors a bit more often around all the "harmful" bacteria and disease. That's how the immune system works; exposure.

And salmonella my foot! I never wash my hands after handling snakes (with the obvious exception of QT'ed snakes, but that's for their health, not mine) and have let them hang out in the kitchen and dining room for years and the only person in my household who has ever had salmonella acquired it from undercooked eggs.

The only thing in this article that I do not believe to be BS is the bit about importation. I am 100% for banning WC reptiles. Imo it's cruel and brings parasites into existing collections. But the rest of this article is nonsense.

I think this reptile ban is much bigger than anyone realizes. Anyone remember HHR669? I do, this bill wanted to ban ALL invasive non- native species of animal. This is scary. Just think of s373 as a precursor to ALL of our pets going bye-bye.
On one of the first hearings I watched for this bill, I remember the HSUS spokesperson mention that they wanted to go straight for banning ALL species of python so they didn't have to come back and make amendments. What will stop them from adding bans to other animals as well?

Unfortunately, the keeping of reptiles as pets isn't as mainstream as we would like it to be. We've never had a burm save little Timmy when he fell down a well, nor have we had a retic find it's way to his family's new home 500 miles away.

I'm sorry to say that we'll never get our congress critters to feel for our cause. I don't know what to do. I don't know what it would take to defeat this bill.

The last thing I want to do is to preach to the choir, so I guess I'll leave it at that. We need a miracle I truely believe.

Jim Smith

Wow :O I think I need to send them a picture of my 83 yr old mom..who has a pace maker playin with my snakes. Or even better maybe my friends 5 year old that sits on the floor and plays with the snakes. Good grief!

YouTube - HSUS care about animals?

HSUS is JUST as crazy as PETA, they're just being a little more careful and not letting as much crazy out at a time.

I think we should go to the news/media with this too.

They did/are still doing the same thing to pit bulls and other bully breeds. Painting every animal (species) with the same brush. Giant snakes are giant but they arent prewired to go on a people killing spree. NEITHER ARE PITS. imagine that.

These people need to be exposed for the lying, cheating, agenda-ed scum bags they are, just like some of the people in the gov. right now, the ones trying to take our pets away.

we dont need any miracle. We need people to stand up for what they believe in and fight for there rights to own whatever animal they are capable of caring for.

I wonder if everyone e-mailed the attorney general of each state asking for an investigation on fraud the HSUS is responsible for what would happen. A few thousand e-mails and they would probably have to look into where the money went.

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id like to see where they got their 1 million reptiles imported data from.

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here you can see which species of pythons were imported and how many of them were imported

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/b....htmlstory

well, i do agree about the turtles... they are pretty dirty and require alot of attention.. most families with small children dont do enough research and in return are hurting the turtle with improper care.. i recently rescued a RES from a family and his condition was almost fatal.. its a great feeling giving them the proper nutrition and seeing his shell grow back but maaaaaann is he dirty and alot of work to keep clean..

as far as these humane society nerds categorizing ALL reptiles in this one category is not only stupid but stubborn and selfish! i know most of you on here could care less about Canada.. but you should take some time and read this article about the Humane Society in Toronto.. it got raided and there was numerous arrests made for animal cruelty and poor condition's.. there was even a MUMMIFIED cat found in the ceiling!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it just goes to show you that these HS idiots dont know :rage: :rage: :rage: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1378385/

But there are already laws in place for res turtles. We are all aware of the dangers of salmonella in reptiles. But how many people have actually gotten it? Ive never heard of any one I know get it from a snake. There are TONS of ways to get salmonella so why not ban all them to? Ban all our food products because we can get diseases from them also.

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"The HSUS opposes the sale of dogs, cats, and other animals through pet stores and other commercial operations."

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This makes a lot of sense if you look at it from their angle. And honestly, I agree with it, to an extent.

Have you ever worked at an animal shelter? like, a real rescue center?

Dogs and Cats ARE over populated, and there are disgusting puppy mills out there that help to drive that commercial industry. Little Sue has to have that $1,000 dollar puppy at the puppy mart because it just looks so cute. 6 months later, we'd receive it at the SPCA.

There are a LOT of good animals in shelters - and I learned that first hand.

Now, I DON'T discount good dog breeders with high standards. They do exist, and I know that there are good people that are willing to pay top dollar for an animal with lineage records. I get that, and don't hold any ill feelings towards reputable breeders and people that want history. After all, we do that all the time in the reptile industry :gj:

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Originally Posted by Denial

we dont need any miracle. We need people to stand up for what they believe in and fight for there rights to own whatever animal they are capable of caring for.

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I don't mean to play the devil's advocate, but we don't have the "RIGHT" to keep our herps. No where in the Constitution does it ensure we can keep reptiles as pets. I'm a firm belliever in an article of the Constitution that is clearly covered in written words and we're losing a little bit at a time, the second amendment.

So how are we, as herp collectors or pet owners, ever going to "stand up" for something that we believe in? That and $1 will get you a small cup of coffee.

The only way to beat this is to contact our representatives and let them know that you will not vote for them again,if they vote for this bill and it passes. VOTES are what counts. Our representatives don't care what laws are passed, they only worry about passing a bill that will cost them votes.

You can call, fax, email or contact them any way you want. If you try to explain your point of view and expect them to understand and feel comnpassion for you, you've got another thing coming. Many times they don't read the bills presented to them. They may have as assistant read it, but most of the times, they find out what the senior representative is doing and they vote the same way.

They don't realize that the issue of releasing large boids is a regional issue and should NEVER be taken up for consideration within the Federal government. They are on point for some special interest group that for some reason has taken up this cause. I'm telling all of you that unless your representative feels his career is in jeopardy, they will not think twice about passing this bill.

I will tell you another thing. This bill will have so many amendments added, that will have nothing to do with the original bill. Many times this is why a bill is submitted. It's submitted without care if that particular bill is passed or not, but it's an avenue for them to add amendments to the bill that is their real interest.

I'd love to see what amendments will be tagged onto this one. Probably some type of Everglades cleanup, or something else like that.

Threaten your representative with votes is the only way this bill will fail.

Just one man's opinion.
Jim Smith

I really should have researched this ball python thing more before i got into it
:( My collection will be up for sale ............................i am so so stupided!!!

In the end, stand together, follow the lead of the established individuals in the snake and reptile industry, support or organizations and we will succeed:)!

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I really should have researched this ball python thing more before i got into it
:( My collection will be up for sale ............................i am so so stupided!!!

In the end, stand together, follow the lead of the established individuals in the snake and reptile industry, support or organizations and we will succeed:)!

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i thought ball pythons are not included in any of the banning of snakes?

Too bad HSUS doesn't care about science. They should take into account this study:

http://www.cdc.gov/enterics/publicat...94-merminj.pdf

...which says that out of ALL the salmonellosis cases in the U.S., about 6% of them are attributed to reptiles. What's more,

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Of all Salmonella serotypes, 40% have been cultured predominantly from reptiles and are rarely found in other animals or humans. Human infections with these serotypes frequently indicate a reptile source [14]. However, <1% of human Salmonella infections are caused by these “reptile-associated” serotypes [13].

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What I take that to mean is that, out of that 6% of "reptile-related" cases, most of them did not ACTUALLY originate from the reptile. So the vast majority of salmonellosis is NOT from reptiles. If HSUS is SO concerned about salmonella, why don't they work on banning meat and eggs? :rolleyes:

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And salmonella my foot! I never wash my hands after handling snakes (with the obvious exception of QT'ed snakes, but that's for their health, not mine) and have let them hang out in the kitchen and dining room for years and the only person in my household who has ever had salmonella acquired it from undercooked eggs.

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That's like saying, most people don't get killed in car accidents, so I'm going to drive recklessly without a seatbelt.

Please, be a little hygiene conscious. We don't want the salmonella statistics to go up because reptile owners were irresponsible.

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

I'm a firm belliever in an article of the Constitution that is clearly covered in written words and we're losing a little bit at a time, the second amendment.

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isnt the second amendment the right to bear arms?

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Originally Posted by bamf64

People need to read this. I think its just rediculous. If you disagree with all said on this link below, reply, "Herps forever, back down we will never!"

http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/...ile_trade.html

Herps forever, back down we will never! :salute:

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The humane society should offer fact-based information before they shoot off their mouths...

http://www.riobravoreptiles.com/care_fatalities.htm

SOURCES: National Center for Health Statistics, CDC; American Cancer Society; National Safety Council; International Federation of Red Cross
and Red Crescent Societies; World Health Organization; USGS; Clark Chapman, SwRI; David Morrison, NASA; Michael Paine, Planetary Society Australian Volunteers

This info was made available by Rio Bravo Reptiles, I just thought it was relevant to post it.

Brandon

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Originally Posted by icygirl

Too bad HSUS doesn't care about science. They should take into account this study:

http://www.cdc.gov/enterics/publicat...94-merminj.pdf

...which says that out of ALL the salmonellosis cases in the U.S., about 6% of them are attributed to reptiles. What's more,



What I take that to mean is that, out of that 6% of "reptile-related" cases, most of them did not ACTUALLY originate from the reptile. So the vast majority of salmonellosis is NOT from reptiles. If HSUS is SO concerned about salmonella, why don't they work on banning meat and eggs? :rolleyes:

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You beat me to it. It's infuriating how much false information this group tries to pass off as "science."

Captive Reptile related fatalities in USA (includes salmonella)

1-in-2,681,245

SOURCES: National Center for Health Statistics, CDC; American Cancer Society; National Safety Council; International Federation of Red Cross
and Red Crescent Societies; World Health Organization; USGS; Clark Chapman, SwRI; David Morrison, NASA; Michael Paine, Planetary Society Australian Volunteers

i think it is all absolute http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...3/bull-100.jpg

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It is my personal opinion that people with weak immune systems should be outdoors a bit more often around all the "harmful" bacteria and disease. That's how the immune system works; exposure.

And salmonella my foot! I never wash my hands after handling snakes (with the obvious exception of QT'ed snakes, but that's for their health, not mine) and have let them hang out in the kitchen and dining room for years and the only person in my household who has ever had salmonella acquired it from undercooked eggs.

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Your personal opinion is wrong. If your immune system is compromised that means that it doesn't work like a normal persons by exposing it to potentially infectious substances.

Just out of curiosity, did any of you contact HSUS regarding this article and the facts that contradict it?

http://www.humanesociety.org/about/contact

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Originally Posted by Quiet Tempest

Just out of curiosity, did any of you contact HSUS regarding this article and the facts that contradict it?

http://www.humanesociety.org/about/contact

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The National Pet Association currently has a couple of biology/herpetology students reviewing the HSUS websites information about pet reptiles and pet reptile ownership. Any inaccuracies will be noted and corrections will be offered with references cited to verify the accuracy of the corrections.

Afterward, a comprehensive package with all of the results and a letter asking the Humane Society to updated their website with correct information about pet reptiles and keeping reptiles as pets will be sent to members of the board of directors of HSUS as well as senior HSUS staff. Major national media outlets will also all receive a copy of the package.

Stay tuned.

www.natpet.org

Blessings,

-adam

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isnt the second amendment the right to bear arms?

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Yes, that's what I was saying, we have an amendment that covers the right of the people to own firearms and for years we've lost a little more of our rights every year. So, my point was, if the 2nd can be ignored, how can we expect our representatives to listen to a few thousand hobbyist talking about don't ban my snake, but the other snakes are okay to ban.

We need to speak their language, we have to tell them in no uncertain terms, if you vote for this bill, you will lose my vote.

We need to tell them that this is not the responsibilty of the Federal government. This is a state issue and does not need to be addressed by them.

Jim Smith

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

Yes, that's what I was saying, we have an amendment that covers the right of the people to own firearms and for years we've lost a little more of our rights every year. So, my point was, if the 2nd can be ignored, how can we expect our representatives to listen to a few thousand hobbyist talking about don't ban my snake, but the other snakes are okay to ban.

We need to speak their language, we have to tell them in no uncertain terms, if you vote for this bill, you will lose my vote.

We need to tell them that this is not the responsibilty of the Federal government. This is a state issue and does not need to be addressed by them.

Jim Smith

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This makes a lot of sense if you look at it from their angle. And honestly, I agree with it, to an extent.

Have you ever worked at an animal shelter? like, a real rescue center?

Dogs and Cats ARE over populated, and there are disgusting puppy mills out there that help to drive that commercial industry. Little Sue has to have that $1,000 dollar puppy at the puppy mart because it just looks so cute. 6 months later, we'd receive it at the SPCA.

There are a LOT of good animals in shelters - and I learned that first hand.

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I agree there are way too many dogs and cats, both in shelters and in the street. However, HSUS's own stance on pets seems to be that no animal should ever be bought or sold. Sounds like they're okay with adopting pets, but that's it. So what happens when there are no more animals to adopt? Oh, hey, cool, no more animals kept as pets! Hooray!