Is this a Normal or Cinamon?

what do u guys think?
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l.../Striped-2.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l.../Striped-1.jpg

Cinnamon

What did the person who sold it to you say it was?

Cinny... Faded head, back stripe and floating alien heads. :)

Cinnamon..

A head the color of powdered cinnamon, some striping (common with lots of cinnys) and abberant circle pattern along sides. Belly should be clear too.

I bought this male last year here in México with the only guy who sold snakes and ball python morphs, like an strange normal with a cut striped, and i paid more than a normal, but im always thinking that its a cinnamon, bacause his head is very dark, but his not with a clear belly. :confused: :confused:

looks like a cinny...what was it sold as? if you dont mind me asking..what did you pay?

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Originally Posted by adrenalinejunkie

looks like a cinny...what was it sold as? if you dont mind me asking..what did you pay?

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160 usd or 2 mil pesos.. (1 dolar = 12.5 pesos)
Here in Mexico Normals are arround 56 usd

Maybe you misunderstand "clear". Are the center belly scales (the largest ones) white with no markings going across them or down their center?

A cinnamon should have a clear white and marking free belly. Meaning the larger center belly scales.

Otherwise it really does look like a cinny.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Maybe you misunderstand "clear".

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:D lol

I got 3 Belly Pics.. what do u guys think?
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...ed-belly-1.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...ed-belly-2.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...ed-belly-3.jpg

Woah!!


What's with that line right down the middle? :O

Is it mostly just colouration aside from the belly button or is it actually split scales all down the belly?


dr del

It looks like it just got cut coming out of the egg. My cinnamon male has 2 spots like that on his belly from just that. It may look a little weird but if the baby tried to come out of the egg and the hole wasnt cut bigger, it probably just happened when it hatched.

As for the color of the belly. It does look a little "dirty" in color but no real markings so Im not really sure.

It DOES look like a cinnamon but there is always the possibility that it is a normal with amazing cinnamon similarities.

I just dont know. It also has a few nice flames. Its probably a cinny but try to get a few better pictures with a better quality digital camera. Something with a good high speed setting so you dont get the blur.

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Originally Posted by dr del

Woah!!
What's with that line right down the middle? :O
Is it mostly just colouration aside from the belly button or is it actually split scales all down the belly?
dr del

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He came with this deformity, i think something when he born, but he eats well and shed well, i think hes fine :oops: , do u think he is a cinny?

ok 2 more
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...-Jun-08-2B.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...s/IMG_0702.jpg

Its gotta be a cinnamon. Did the guy you got it from produce it his self? If he has the parents and they are both normals then it is a normal. If he is not sure where it came from then I say cinnamon. You cant have "het" for cinnamon though. At least one of the parents had to be a cinny for yours to be a cinny.

Cinny's also have a different shaped head. Its subtle but they seem to have a longer and more rounded head. Yours has this head too.

Hi,

His head certainly looks like a cinny to me - I'd like to see better pictures of the side pattern, especially the neck area but that's just me being curious. :)

But people who know far more than me have already said it is a cinny so I should take their word for it. :D


dr del

It looks like a CH odd normal to me.

Dave

Breed him to a normal female and you'll find out pretty quick.

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Originally Posted by Kevin_Hornby

Breed him to a normal female and you'll find out pretty quick.

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Ok thats a good answear
I made that question because i really like pewters, and i have a female pastel in 2,250 gms. but im not sure what to do, i can make Bumbles with my Spider, Pastaves with my mojave and super pastels with my pastel, but thats why im asking...
Thanks to all of u guys for ur Answears

Hi,

Well if it is a cinny then all those males are either co-dom or dom - so why not run all of them through her and shoot for a "who's yer daddy" clutch? :D

It's not like you would be puzzling over hets or anything. :gj:


dr del

why dont set him to all the girls? so u can get pastaves, bb, pewters and super pastels. or did i miss something (i mean thats its a girl)...

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why dont set him to all the girls? so u can get pastaves, bb, pewters and super pastels. or did i miss something (i mean thats its a girl)...

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hes a Male, and i just have a female pastel ready to get pewters

Cinnamon For a Fact!

Daniel

I think it looks exactly like a normal...

Cinnies have a lot more blushing and a much more faded head. The fact that it doesn't have a clear belly gives it away.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=45652

Personally I also think it looks like an odd normal. But the only way to know for sure is to breed him and see what you get. Anything else is just guessing.

It's the head and snout to me, that suggest cinnamon more than anything else.
It's definitely worth a try to prove him.

Big Gunns has bred snakes just like this and got nothing but normals. You going to need to breed it and see what you get like some people said. BG has never bred them back to see if they were hiding anything though, so they could possibly be het for something strange.

Wow you guys saved me a post, I have an identical snake I rescued from Craigslist and mine does have clear belly scales. 3000 gram female will be put to good use, best $40 I spent in a while. Good luck with yours

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Cinnamon For a Fact!

Daniel

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well there you go it must be!!!

well in my opionion i really dont think its a cinny, its belly is not clear enough, and its missing the flames and its color is just a little off. but again thats my opionion, i have been working with cinnys sense the begining and there my favorite morph so i have seen alot of them, i geuss you will just have to breed it to find out, GOOD LUCK

Well, I love his dorsal stripe, anyhow--he's a good dinker. I would say put him with a girl and see what pops out. I would put him with a normal girl, though.

Ive never seen a cinny that looks like that. The head is faded but the body just doesn't match.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Ive never seen a cinny that looks like that. The head is faded but the body just doesn't match.

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thank you!! your right on!

At first I thought an odd normal for sure, but that belly really does look clear. Maybe it is a cinny, just a crappy line of cinnys and it was easily missed by inexperienced breeders. I've noticed that it's quite hard to find really nice looking cinnys. If that's a cinny, boy did you get a good deal! Put him with your pastel female! The worst you'll get is a bunch of pastels and normals. If he's actually a cinny you might luck out and get a pewter!!! Good luck!

I agree with some of the others that noticed the funny shaped head cinnys have.

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Originally Posted by Isis

At first I thought an odd normal for sure, but that belly really does look clear. Maybe it is a cinny, just a crappy line of cinnys and it was easily missed by inexperienced breeders. I've noticed that it's quite hard to find really nice looking cinnys. If that's a cinny, boy did you get a good deal! Put him with your pastel female! The worst you'll get is a bunch of pastels and normals. If he's actually a cinny you might luck out and get a pewter!!! Good luck!

I agree with some of the others that noticed the funny shaped head cinnys have.

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Its belly does not look clear at all.

The snake lacks the markers for being a cinny. No blushing, almost no flames, a semi-faded head, and no clear belly.

Just a faded head does not make it a cinny. It makes it a cool normal. It is a great looking snake but you are going out on a far limb to call it a cinny. Prove it out and see for sure.

The first set of photos almost looks like a cinny, but after see the belly shots I would say normal all the way.

After seeing the body shots, I have to say normal now..

Its a brown head stripe. Some lines have proven codom with a super.

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Originally Posted by Mike@OutbackReptiles

Its a brown head stripe. Some lines have proven codom with a super.

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PM me if you want a female to breed him to ;) A friend of mine has a female that he might part with.