Regurgitated

hi i need some help . i fed my bp 2 mice .. hours apart and i think one of the mice were a lil too big but he got it down.. but could hardly move around and was on a side then 3days later he brought back up the first one so i hadto clean the tank because of the decomposing smell:( then i went sleep and woke up this morning and the other badly decomposed mouse was in the corner of the tank.. will the snake be alright? and when next should i feed him?

From what you've described it sounds like you fed the snake way too much. How old is this snake? What are your temps and humidity? What are you using for heat? When is the last time the snake fed successfully?

There can be other reasons for regurges other than a large meal; but a bp should not be hindered in movement after eating a meal. You should wait at least 2 weeks before trying to feed again and feed a smaller than usual prey item. Feed one mouse smaller than what you usually give. Regurging takes its toll on a snakes system so you definitely want to wait 2 weeks.

wait a couple of weeks to feed a gain, but also wait for BigGunns to view this because he should be of more help them me....

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

From what you've described it sounds like you fed the snake way too much. How old is this snake? What are your temps and humidity? What are you using for heat? When is the last time the snake fed successfully?

There can be other reasons for regurges other than a large meal; but a bp should not be hindered in movement after eating a meal. You should wait at least 2 weeks before trying to feed again and feed a smaller than usual prey item. Feed one mouse smaller than what you usually give. Regurging takes its toll on a snakes system so you definitely want to wait 2 weeks.

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the snake is 4months and the temps are good since its in the caribbean

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Originally Posted by reptidude1

wait a couple of weeks to feed a gain, but also wait for BigGunns to view this because he should be of more help them me....

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thanks alot will do plus i'd wait 2weeks

I agree with the above. I just had the same thing happen to me on two different snakes on the same day. Say the least I was completely freaking out. I thought I got some bad feeders.

I waited two weeks then I fed a smaller than I normally would animal to them.

So far they seem fine.

I did call a close friend and he told me the same thing wait a couple of weeks before feeding again.

Good Luck, I know its nerve racking,

Scuba...

If you've never had this problem before, you should be OK by waiting a couple of weeks and feeding it a small meal. Use must then wait for it to digest it, and crap it out. Although it may not seem that bad, this can be fatal if not taken seriously. Regurgitating a meal can take a lot out of your snake. Make sure it's well hydrated and wait 2 weeks like people said.:gj:

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Originally Posted by bajeboy

the snake is 4months and the temps are good since its in the caribbean

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Temps are NOT good then.
What are the exact temperatures? You can not just assume that your ambient temperature is enough because you live in a warmer climate. They need a proper temperature gradient in their cage.

The warm side should be 90-95F and the cool side should be 80-85F with an ambient temp of 80-85F. Do not guess.
Are you using any heating elements in your enclosure? If so, how are you controlling them?
Get your hands on some good digital thermometers with probes to measure exact temps in your cage.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Temps are NOT good then.
What are the exact temperatures? You can not just assume that your ambient temperature is enough because you live in a warmer climate. They need a proper temperature gradient in their cage.

The warm side should be 90-95F and the cool side should be 80-85F with an ambient temp of 80-85F. Do not guess.
Are you using any heating elements in your enclosure? If so, how are you controlling them?
Get your hands on some good digital thermometers with probes to measure exact temps in your cage.

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This is why BG shouldn't be lazy and read the whole thread.:D If he never had a problem before, it's probably because he fed it a large meal. However, his snake would be much better off taking BlackC's advice on husbandry.

BG does know people that do keep their snakes at room temp when they live in warmer climates with no problems though.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

If you've never had this problem before, you should be OK by waiting a couple of weeks and feeding it a small meal. Use must then wait for it to digest it, and crap it out. Although it may not seem that bad, this can be fatal if not taken seriously. Regurgitating a meal can take a lot out of your snake. Make sure it's well hydrated and wait 2 weeks like people said.:gj:

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Should the animal see the vet, or is this something that is common with BP's?

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

This is why BG shouldn't be lazy and read the whole thread.:D If he never had a problem before, it's probably because he fed it a large meal. However, his snake would be much better off taking BlackC's advice on husbandry.

BG does know people that do keep their snakes at room temp when they live in warmer climates with no problems though.

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Yes, and this is fine when the keeper is experienced, knows what temperatures the animal needs, and isn't having problems like this. :P

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Yes, and this is fine when the keeper is experienced, knows what temperatures the animal needs, and isn't having problems like this. :P

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The problem some people have in these areas is they can't get the proper things to care for them. It's hard to find a UTH in some countries. If a baby snake is raised without one from birth, they can live a perfectly normal life. However, if they had one before, they'll need one again.


BG knows a lot of people in other countries(near the equator) that use no heat source at all and have no issues. There temps are close to 90 all the time though. BG does not suggest this. He does know a big time boa breeder that keeps his baby boas at 90 all the time with super high humidity(BG heard this) and has no issues. "No issues" until he sells them that is.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

The problem some people have in these areas is they can't get the proper things to care for them. It's hard to find a UTH in some countries. If a baby snake is raised without one from birth, they can live a perfectly normal life. However, if they had one before, they'll need one again.


BG knows a lot of people in other countries(near the equator) that use no heat source at all and have no issues. There temps are close to 90 all the time though. BG does not suggest this. He does know a big time boa breeder that keeps his baby boas at 90 all the time with super high humidity(BG heard this) and has no issues. "No issues" until he sells them that is.

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Are there any websites that will ship to the Caribbean? If he got this snake from a pet store down there, I'm sure the petstore would provide some sort of heating supply, even if it's a lamp it may be better than nothing.

Also, we have to consider that hey may have the AC on too.

wow doesnt 2 mice seem a little big for a little 4 month old bp?

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Muffin's

Should the animal see the vet, or is this something that is common with BP's?

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If it does it a second time, it should see a Vet. If you've never had a problem before, you need to check all your husbandry practices to make sure they're right, then wait two weeks to feed.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Are there any websites that will ship to the Caribbean? If he got this snake from a pet store down there, I'm sure the petstore would provide some sort of heating supply, even if it's a lamp it may be better than nothing.

Also, we have to consider that hey may have the AC on too.

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A Lamp is better than nothing. It will be very costly to ship to some places. We(Big Gunns shoulda) probably should have asked exactly how he has it set up also so we can see if it's correct.

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Originally Posted by PolkaDotPenguin

wow doesnt 2 mice seem a little big for a little 4 month old bp?

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Not really. I started giving my normal girl two mice after she was about 300-400g which was when she was about 4-6 months old.

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Originally Posted by PolkaDotPenguin

wow doesnt 2 mice seem a little big for a little 4 month old bp?

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Depends on how big the bp is at 4 months. Some could handle it fine.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

If it does it a second time, it should see a Vet. If you've never had a problem before, you need to check all your husbandry practices to make sure they're right, then wait two weeks to feed.

A Lamp is better than nothing. It will be very costly to ship to some places. We(Big Gunns shoulda) probably should have asked exactly how he has it set up also so we can see if it's correct.

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I completely agree. :gj:

I have a 2 month old that is eating 2 small adults and handling it just fine. My 3 month old is eating 2 medium size mice.

Although I did feed my 5 month old 2 large mice and I have to say...never again....it was too much food and she looks miserable. Shes ok...but in the future I will switch to one large once a week or every 4 days.

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

I have a 2 month old that is eating 2 small adults and handling it just fine. My 3 month old is eating 2 medium size mice.

Although I did feed my 5 month old 2 large mice and I have to say...never again....it was too much food and she looks miserable. Shes ok...but in the future I will switch to one large once a week or every 4 days.

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I prefer to feed a properly sized single item in the first place. It helps to prevent any problems too since they only have to worry about one piece. Some of my animals need to constrict before they eat and constricting after already eating something can lead to a regurge.

Pounding too large a prey can lead to health issues. I've always been a proponent of feeding smaller prey, just feed more often. I'm not saying the mouse/rat should be really small, I just don't believe in pounding the snake with prey that is difficult to eat. I've got friends that are big time breaders that pound their snakes with large meals twice a week. They do this to get the snake to the size where they can be bred, but in my opinion, if it's just a pet, smaller is better.

Just one man's opinion.
Jim Smith

No I totally agree! The two smaller ones do fine with what I am feeding them and seem to have a normal size bulge. My bee has always been a huge piggy. But I freaked out when I got my scale and weighed my 5 month old. She was really small...so I panicked thinking I was not feeding her enough. Gave her the two large ones. Now I feel I made a mistake and in talking to BG...I think it is better to do a twice a week feed. I am not trying to "power feed" or overfeed......I was just trying to satisfy her. She did not have any problems eating it....only took her a few minutes. But to look at her...ugh. I feel like the mom that lets her kids watch tv and eat cookies all day getting fat. Bad mom! :colbert:

I promise...there might be a learning curve here but I will get this down to a science!!

And please no pounding on me....I feel like a total animal abuser already!

Sorry to hyjack....

well i have bad news.. this morning when i woke up he was dead :(... an in front of his mouth was something coming out of his mouth ;(

Sorry to hear about your loss.

Jim Smith

Oh my goodness...I am so so sorry to hear that!!!

i think you fed him to much. and when i feed i always have a higher temp and i have had only one snake reguritate a mouse

That's terrible, I'm so, so sorry. Wasn't expecting the thread to end like this. Will you have a necropsy done?

hey. no im not getting a necro. done but here are some of the last pics. you be the judge as to if it was too much food
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9...0912020402.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9295/fatbelly.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7...0912020402.jpg

You fed him WAYYY too much.

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Originally Posted by bajeboy

hey. no im not getting a necro. done but here are some of the last pics. you be the judge as to if it was too much food

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I am sure you meant the best for your snake but it is ridiculous that you fed him like that. Please do more research before buying another snake.

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Originally Posted by bajeboy

hey. no im not getting a necro. done but here are some of the last pics. you be the judge as to if it was too much food
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9...0912020402.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9295/fatbelly.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7...0912020402.jpg

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WOW that's Horrible!!!

Looks like a lot more than 2 mice???

its only 2mice plus i find these pics are making it look bigger than it really was

bajeby sorry to hear about your snake.

On a related note I thought that if the snake wasn't hungry they wouldn't eat. Would it be smarter to offer food over a period of time rather than all at once?
I mean, we humans can eat a lot before our "full belly" signal kicks in. Is it the same with snakes?

If you are wanting to get your snake to grow faster, feed every couple of days. Maybe every 3rd day if he'll eat like that. I do not know how much you fed your snake, but he's got an overly full belly. Maybe he was also impacted. I don't know.

Jim Smith

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Originally Posted by bajeboy

hey. no im not getting a necro. done but here are some of the last pics. you be the judge as to if it was too much food
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9...0912020402.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9295/fatbelly.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7...0912020402.jpg

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Thank you for sharing these photos. I am NOT going to make the assumption that you are entirely responsible for what happened to this animal, and I don't think anyone else should either. You have suffered a very painful and sad loss.

My thoughts are with you.