Del. Set To Regulate Exotic Animals

DOVER, Del. (AP) ¯ New regulations regarding the sale and possession of exotic animals in Delaware are still subject to public comment.

Anyone wishing to weigh in on the regulations has until Tuesday to do so.

State agriculture officials say comments at a public hearing last February led to substantial changes to the proposed regulations. The revised proposal prompted more comments, which led to yet more changes in the proposed regulations.

Officials are now proposing the regulations for a third time, with comments due to the state veterinarian by Dec. 1.

The regulations would govern the permitting process, possession, sale, rehabilitation and exhibition of live wild mammals, hybrids of wild mammals and live reptiles not native to or generally found in Delaware.
wjz.com/wireapnewsmd/Comment.deadline.approaching.2.1335612.html

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Originally Posted by ER12

DOVER, Del. (AP) ¯ New regulations regarding the sale and possession of exotic animals in Delaware are still subject to public comment.

Anyone wishing to weigh in on the regulations has until Tuesday to do so.

State agriculture officials say comments at a public hearing last February led to substantial changes to the proposed regulations. The revised proposal prompted more comments, which led to yet more changes in the proposed regulations.

Officials are now proposing the regulations for a third time, with comments due to the state veterinarian by Dec. 1.

The regulations would govern the permitting process, possession, sale, rehabilitation and exhibition of live wild mammals, hybrids of wild mammals and live reptiles not native to or generally found in Delaware.
wjz.com/wireapnewsmd/Comment.deadline.approaching.2.1335612.html

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here a link to post a comment I just found out on WBOC.com web site ( local news) and they don't even give a link which I found so all please send a commment and read the so called changes. The removed a breeder permit ( which would allow you to house mutlisnake ) and more less mean you can't prove out hets and other morphs for a lot of reptiles.

http://www.delaware.gov/eGov/rpcs.ns...%2011-01-09.fm

if passed it means I would have to buy 22 permits just for th snakes ( and possible more for the asf colonies I trying to breed) last I check the permit is 25 bucks each soI am looking at at least 600+

Apparently they define "giant snakes" as any snake with an average body length of over 5 feet.

Corn snakes would probably just about fall into the "giant" category.. lol..

Did I read this right they do not have any birds listed as exempt so no cage birds or parrots maybe let some of the bird forums know about this one.

well unless listed the animal would need a permit and so far these are theonly listed animals

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6.1 The following exotics are exempt from the permitting requirement of the Department:

6.1.1 Mammals: Chinchillas, Degus, Ferrets, Gerbils, Guinea pigs, Hamsters, Hedgehogs, Mice, Norway rats, Possums, Rabbits and Sugar gliders.

6.1.2 Reptiles: Anoles, Agamas, Asian Water Dragons, Basilisks, Bearded dragons, Chameleons, Geckos, Iguanas, Skinks (except the five-lined skink), Swift lizards, and Tegus.

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I'm wondering how tegus got onto the exemption list and not some snakes. :confused:

I can see it now if they pass this as is a lot of pets will be getting dumped, tossed on criagslist, wboc classified section cause a lot of people don't meet the requirements( in kent and new castle county you must have 1arce of land ot get a permit for a ballpython). and these animals will either have ot suffer a painfull/ slow death or end up in the wrong hands of a person trying to make a quick buck off otherpeoples bad luck. I would most likey be forced into getting rid of my entire collection as I could not afford the 550+ in permits, and if I get the right under standing it they have to be renewed every year or 3years. heck I have to save up all year to pay for the permits. not counting trying to keep supplies ( which will be hard until spring since i was forced to replace my truck.) I was hoping to prove out my het pieds so I can put any mney from sellnig a pied or 2 aside to make supply aquiring easier. bu t by the new regs I can't even attmept to prove them, my het axanthics, or work on making a combo morphs (like a butter pied, pinstipe butter, or a pinstripe pied. ) or even attempt anything with the albino bp I got.

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I can see it now if they pass this as is a lot of pets will be getting dumped, tossed on criagslist, wboc classified section cause a lot of people don't meet the requirements( in kent and new castle county you must have 1arce of land ot get a permit for a ballpython). and these animals will either have ot suffer a painfull/ slow death or end up in the wrong hands of a person trying to make a quick buck off otherpeoples bad luck. I would most likey be forced into getting rid of my entire collection as I could not afford the 550+ in permits, and if I get the right under standing it they have to be renewed every year or 3years. heck I have to save up all year to pay for the permits. not counting trying to keep supplies ( which will be hard until spring since i was forced to replace my truck.) I was hoping to prove out my het pieds so I can put any mney from sellnig a pied or 2 aside to make supply aquiring easier. bu t by the new regs I can't even attmept to prove them, my het axanthics, or work on making a combo morphs (like a butter pied, pinstipe butter, or a pinstripe pied. ) or even attempt anything with the albino bp I got.

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and this is why i stand against a permit system. remember you heard it here first

I think they did get this completely ass backwards, however I will play devil's advocate for a permit system. Some people are just irresponsible, period. The situation in Florida which is a repeat of past events illustrates this. A permit system puts state laws in place which mitigates the need for federal laws such as the proposed HR2811 and S373. If a permit system prevents morons from getting animals they are ill equipped or unable to take care of then I'm all for it. I've seen too many kids go into petco and buy a baby BCI, get a 10 gallon tank and a heat lamp and call it a day... Yeah... That animal has about 6 months before it winds up in a shelter, on craigslist or worse. If I have to get permits for my animals I'm ok with that, provided the permit fee is reasonable and there aren't ridiculous restrictions such as owning 1 acre of land for a BP in some parts of DE. That is just stupid and completely pointless.

This was the comment I sent: Prohibiting the breeding/owning of all giant snakes reaching over five feet including all Pythons (Ball Pythons only reach 5 ft when full gorwn) is unfair to responsible pet owners and breeders. Attempting to pass these laws is punishing law abiding citizens and not dealing with the actual problem. Responsible, law abiding citizens would never release any animal into the wild and those people that would do so will not apply for permits or be willing to take responsability for their animals in any case. These laws are no different are no different than breed ban legislation within the dog community and will deter irresponable parties from continuing to own, breed and distibute these animals. Please rethink this proposal and what it will mean to exotic animal owners who care deeply for their animals. You will asking these people to rehome their animals in a time when there are enough homeless animals due to the poor economy or euthanise healthy animals due to the fear of some people and the irresponsabilty of others. Please so not punish those of us that wish to care for animals in a responable way and instead seek ways of dealing with those that break current laws and will continue to do so regardless of whether or not these laws take affect.

Please tell me what you think since I have never done this before. Thanks in advance.

I think it fine Brunoheart. I know one guy small breeder, that got rid of all his ball pythons and got milk snakes to breed and I know they get close to 5ft ( not seen a n adult in person so not sure ) but even if I read the permit changes right he has to get them too and on top a business lic to breed and sell the young. I know of many a person that got a snake of some kind with out a permit and just don't give a rat about it. I got mine back in the mid 90's even befoer I had to have one I Igot it with my iguana and I never needed it. but i applied for a breeders permit cause i knew at some point I would get a pair of snakes that would make me interested in breeding ( never knew about all the bp morphs at the time), and it gone from there. I am so temped to go to the meeting if i get the info in time and ask to publicy speak about it. ( and I hate speaking infront of people).

If stuff like this passed in my state... I would be moving.

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If stuff like this passed in my state... I would be moving.

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I consider that too but I am not sure on how I could do so considering I have a number of eldery people relying on me to cut their grass( I see no point in an 70+ lady trying to push a yard( speically if over 1/4 acre) ) plus I got my grandmother, mother to worry about MY aunt and sister would bleed them dry tryingo t get gas money out of them every time you turn around. PLus the finaly straw is my disablity I am not sure on how/what I have to get it set up if I move to another state. mean if i get less/ more depending onthe area and I doubt I could survive on 600 a month when I paying 300 ( more less) on vechile. dang I need to win the lottery lol..

An privat message I just recieved on here today from the local paper and I post me reply to it as well.

Hi.
My name is James (but I go by "J.L.") Miller, and I'm a reporter with The News Journal.
I'm working on a story about the new proposed regulations regarding exotic animals in Delaware, and I saw your comments on the matter.
I'm only starting my reporting on this issue, and I believe your input could prove very helpful.
Today is Thursday, Dec. 10. I'll be here until 4:30 p.m., and I'll be in the office from 9 a.m. To 4:30 p.m. Friday, Dec. 11.
If you could get in touch with me either of those days, I would really appreciate it. I'll be going on vacation for a couple of weeks after that, but if you see this e-mail while I'm on vacation, I'd appreciate it if you'd send me an e-mail with your contact information. I suspect I won't be wrapping up this story by day's end Friday.
For some reason, my normal company e-mail address has gone kerflooie. (That's a technical term.) However, you can reach me at this rather clunky corporate address:
You also can reach me at (302) ********. I work in our Dover office.
Hope to hear from you soon!
--J.L. Miller
The News Journal


my reply to him


hello no problem Mom use to deliver the paper for you all might even know her (carol rogers)

Yeha the regulations changes will effect the few of us that do have the permits. I requested a chance at the meeting to talk but never heard back.

can call my at either *********** or

********** my cell to arrange a visit/ pictures of the snakes I not one the best reptile keepers and such but since the SPCA in delaware does not handle reptile issues My personal collection has gone from one or 2 snakes to over 13 ball pythons now. I have puchased het for some snakes cause I can not afford the high dollar mophs. I also have such snake that others were forced to give up as they found they could not get approve for the permit in Kent or New Castle counties.


I am hopingot get a copy of the news artical and will post it here .

The photo guy came today and got photos and video ( mainly were interested in my largest snake ) I point out that she was among many of my snakes were rescues and . the new permit regulations in DE would make people like me that do the rescues almost impossible to maintain it as a hobby. I was asked if i was a profit breeder ( one who breed and sell snakes for money ) and i said no cause I am not. my only breeding plans were t orpove out my hets and possible come up wit ha combo morph to check that ut later on. The way the guy talked the story should be in he paper tomorrow. I am going to be checking each day to see if it is, and if it done right

ok guy here the article in te news journal ( and yeah my ugly mug is holding 3 of the snakes in my small reptile room.)

http://www.delawareonline.com/articl...NEWS02/1020341


so let me and others know, the other reptile person Kinker( spelling?) own the one shop that closed but housed mutli snakes in a single cage... I want to try and find a way to contact the state vet and look into a meeting with them since the regulations were informed of for public meeting times posted ( like on the news and such only online and were/ are hard to find dates.)

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If stuff like this passed in my state... I would be moving.

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If only it were that easy. Sadly this is becoming a trend. There are more and mroe states passing legislations. I have a feeling in the next few years all states will regulate exotics to some extent

I think the states should regulate exotics to a degree. I think permits should be required for large cats, (sorry Denial) because they do present an elevated risk and it would screen out those who aren't prepared for the level of care they need. A lot of hots should require permits, again because of the high risk to the keeper, and the liability should the animal ever escape its enclosure. However, permits should be the exception, not the rule. There are way too many harmless, even highly social exotics to give them all exemptions, you'd have more animals exempt than regulated. Therefore, start with the dangerous animals, and leave the harmless ones like BPs and corn snakes alone.

No apology needed everyone is intitled to there own opinion.

I know Denial is knowledgable and capable enough to care for a lynx or a bobcat, but for every one Denial there are probably five joe shmoes off the street who want a tiger because it's cool. Just like with large snakes. Let's say there's a one time license fee of, oh, 125 bucks. That's how much it is to get a driver's license in the province of Ontario, and I'd liken the risk of owning a big cat or a severely venemous snake to the risk of driving a car - you probably don't have to worry if you know what you're doing and you're attentive, but the risk is there. After that, there's a periodical renewal, maybe at no cost, maybe with a negligible processing fee.

I think a system like that would go a long way towards keeping the public and the suits happy, without barring the animals entirely. The catch is. the people who would want to bar private citizens from obtaining permits.

ok I can't sleep stressing over this permit crap that I can't afford. as such I been up unable to sleep. http://regulations.delaware.gov/regi...0.htm#P43_5829 the new regs link






If I read this right since i had a permit before I should get a new one at no cost "6.4 Any existing permits issued by the Delaware Department of Agriculture will become void sixty (60) days after the effective date of these proposed regulations and must be renewed in accordance with regulations 6.3 and 9.0 at no additional cost to the owner or custodian." so if i read right I may be fine this round but I am still going to ask for a n appointment and see about a request for a mutli snake permit. I can't get a sale permit or a business lic due to being disable cause it would cause me to lose my disablity. I am unable to do most jobs since getting up and down ( bending over )