balls at their best!! ''LESSER & LEMONS''.....

some new pics of my ''lesser platinum'' female.....:cool:
she's my favorite, i think she's drop dead gorgeous...

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding751.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding750.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding749.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...lding117-1.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding748.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding763.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding773.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding787.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding786.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding782.jpg

and some pics of my ''lemon pastel'' couple, both amazing and some really nice blushings going on, especially the male....:cool:

the male...

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding147.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...lding148-1.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding776.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding774.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding784.jpg

the female....

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding766.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding761.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding759.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding756.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding767.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding768.jpg

Beautiful animals! Your lemon looks more Graziani to me though, than lemon. Lemons tend to be more stark black with less blushing and crazier patterns - the Graziani's have more brown tones and more blushing with patterns more like your kiddo!

I cant wait for my little boy to grow up :3

Beautiful pastel couple and I love that lesser :gj:

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Beautiful animals! Your lemon looks more Graziani to me though, than lemon. Lemons tend to be more stark black with less blushing and crazier patterns - the Graziani's have more brown tones and more blushing with patterns more like your kiddo!

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hehehe i know what you mean bro, i love the lemons for keeping better collor with aging, and graziani's for their blushing, but this are 100.000% lemon pastels with the quality of blushings to, seen many lemons with blushings and many graziani's without blushing, so not much to say about the quality's of both the lines, i have a pic of the grandpa and the father to, maybe that will clear things up......

grandpa:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ptiles/OPA.jpg

father:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...iles/VADER.jpg

my couple of kiddo's:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...astelman-1.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...npastelman.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...astelvrouw.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...stelvrouw2.jpg

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

I cant wait for my little boy to grow up :3

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know what you mean....:cool:

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Originally Posted by Boanerges

Beautiful pastel couple and I love that lesser :gj:

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thanks m8, post more pics of your bee when she's settled....:gj:

Oooooh I'm jealous!!

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Originally Posted by Quiet Tempest

Oooooh I'm jealous!!

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hehehehe thank you very much!...:gj:

super lookin snakes....awsome..

Very beautiful snakes! I'm really loving that lesser!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Beautiful animals! Your lemon looks more Graziani to me though, than lemon. Lemons tend to be more stark black with less blushing and crazier patterns - the Graziani's have more brown tones and more blushing with patterns more like your kiddo!

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I have to agree with rabernet. That looks very much like a Graziani -which isn't bad at all. :)

Have a look at some lemon pastels at NERD: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Beautiful animals! Your lemon looks more Graziani to me though, than lemon. Lemons tend to be more stark black with less blushing and crazier patterns - the Graziani's have more brown tones and more blushing with patterns more like your kiddo!

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This is why i say a pastel is a pastel !

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

I have to agree with rabernet. That looks very much like a Graziani -which isn't bad at all. :)

Have a look at some lemon pastels at NERD: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

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have you seen my before answer to rabernet with the pics of the father and grandpa?, like i said, these are 100.000% nerd lemon pastels, the person who bred these even wrote a book that is in stores, he knows what hes doing and what he's working with, he also breds graziani pastels, i bought this couple cause they looked very different for a lemon pastel, with the busy pattern and the many and big blushings, i will show and post some more pics of the little sisters and brothers, and a other clutch from the same father later on...;)

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

This is why i say a pastel is a pastel !

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like i said, ive seen many lemons with blushing, and many grazianis without blushings, lemons should have better coloration with aging, but ive seen graziani's that will putt a lemon to shame, both lines have many similarities....

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

I have to agree with rabernet. That looks very much like a Graziani -which isn't bad at all. :)

Have a look at some lemon pastels at NERD: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

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do you see much differences?, some of the pastels in the link also have the needfull blushing going on, the breeder saw this thread to and also emailed me that they are 100% lemon pastels, he also contacted the breeder he has them from years before, and again, 100% lemon pastel bought from mike willbanks, the sisters and brothers of my couple had the more typical pattern and less blushing where you and rabernet are talking about, pics will follow...

as promised some pics of some youngsters of the same ''lemon pastel'' father
the last one is from the same clutch as my couple, so rabernet and ouroboros take a look again, cause some of them look exactly the same as the lemons shown in the link to the page of nerd, and i have to say that its also not wise to use one example of a breeder for the whole line(in this case N.E.R.D), cause not all lemons are exactly the same.....;)


photo credits: ton v mersel....
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...onvmersel1.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...onvmersel2.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...onvmersel3.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...onvmersel4.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...onvmersel5.jpg

i just been on your website robin and saw youre ''lemon'' pastels, strange thing is that they arent that different of my couple, and i saw that they also have enough blushing, sure they aint ''graziani's???........

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Originally Posted by jp-reptiles

i just been on your website robin and saw youre ''lemon'' pastels, strange thing is that they arent that different of my couple, and i saw that they also have enough blushing, sure they aint ''graziani's???........

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Yes, I'm quite sure that mine are not Graziani's because I can trace mine back just two generations to NERD, where the father of my male was acquired directly from their lemon line.

I'm not certain why you are so fixated on my opinion though? If you can trace yours all the way back to an original NERD lemon then that's all that matters! :gj:

I simply stated my opinion that the pattern and blushing of yours more resembles the Graziani line (as well as the more orange coloration of yours vs most lemons).

Since you've seen my site, you can see that mine are more brightly yellow and black tones with more extremely blushed heads, rather than orange and brown tones like the examples that you've posted.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...DSC_0160-1.jpg

If you know for a fact that your are lemons, then my opinion really shouldn't matter! :gj:

yes im sure that my couple are lemons robin, and yep mine are somewhat darker then yours, but they are also younger, you also know what some sheds and growing up can do, the reason i got a little bit irritated is cause someone is labeling my lemons as beeing something else while this isnt the case, dont get me wrong, im not mad at all bro, just wanted the discussion to go further, its interesting, heres another pic of the female wich shows that her head is also very blushed out.....;)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding768.jpg

and again, the father and the grandpa, could you label these as ''graziani's???......

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ptiles/OPA.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...iles/VADER.jpg

Yeah honestly your pastels just look like regular Graziani pastels becuase of the real gold tone to them. Personally it doesn't look like a Lemon Pastel to me, but if you have proof then more too ya. The father and grandfather don't even have that bright of colors either, thats why it transferred to the offspring. Now Robin, the Lemon pastel on your website is AMAZING! I want it!

Just for the record, I'm not a "bro", I'm a "sis". :)

My honest opinion? Yes, the patterning of the first snake (not sure if grandpa or father) is more in line with the patterning of a graziani. But again, my opinion really shouldn't matter as long as YOU know what you have! :gj:

Love the Lesser. Amazing!

Daniel

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Just for the record, I'm not a "bro", I'm a "sis". :)

My honest opinion? Yes, the patterning of the first snake (not sure if grandpa or father) is more in line with the patterning of a graziani. But again, my opinion really shouldn't matter as long as YOU know what you have! :gj:

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oops!!:Dthe reason i defended it was because im really really sure that they are lemons ''sis'', but at the end, i dont care, the reason i bought them is because i liked them, not because they are from a specific line.....:gj::gj:
and indeed, you have a really really nice lemon ''sis''......:O

heres an example why i find it hard to describe a pastel to a specific line....
this is a ''graziani'' pastel from the same breeder as my couple came from
jetblack pattern, very bright, and a good blushed out head......:confused:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...2/mister-2.jpg

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Originally Posted by jp-reptiles

heres an example why i find it hard to describe a pastel to a specific line....
this is a ''graziani'' pastel from the same breeder as my couple came from
jetblack pattern, very bright, and a good blushed out head......:confused:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...2/mister-2.jpg

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I LIKE that one! I love reduced pattern though - you can ship that to me next week! :P

heheheghe i understand why, i also have regrets i havent bought him myself...:(

No matter what kinda pastels they are, they are definetly crazy looking imo!!
ESPECIALLY the male. Probaly the best i saw when it comes to blushing! :cool:

EDIT: oh, and your Lesser-lady kinda reminds me of my Lesser-babe :)

I'm the (very proud) owner of that Graziani pastel and I have seen the lemon's that JP is showing you. they have lots of blushings but are definately lemon NERD en no graziani ;)

here's some more picture's of my "mister" graziani

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/l...ie/mister1.jpg

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/l...ie/mister6.jpg

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/l.../mister2-1.jpg