"High Contrast albino"...yeah right.

This is the biggest load of crap in the bizz. Doesn't it seem like everyone says this..... and 9 out of ten grow up to look like any old albino. That's because that's exactly what they are......any old albino.

BG is not making this post because of anyone's snake in particular. It's always been a pet peeve(should put it in the thread) of Big Gunns. Big Gunns is gonna give everyone a leeetle advice. Unless you see the parents, your "high contrast" albino is probably just a regular old albino. Don't pay a nickel more for that "high contrast" label. BG has only seen a couple lines that he would consider true "high contrast".

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

This is the biggest load of crap in the bizz. Doesn't it seem like everyone says this..... and 9 out of ten grow up to look like any old albino. That's because that's exactly what they are......any old albino.

BG is not making this post because of anyone's snake in particular. It's always been a pet peeve(should put it in the thread) of Big Gunns. Big Gunns is gonna give everyone a leeetle advice. Unless you see the parents, your "high contrast" albino is probably just a regular old albino. Don't pay a nickel more for that "high contrast" label. BG has only seen a couple lines that he would consider true "high contrast".

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Spill...Which lines..

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Spill...Which lines..

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Professional breeders here is their website www.probreeders.com . The other one is top secret.:D

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

Professional breeders. The other one is top secret.:D

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:8: Aawww come on....I figured the "All Knowing" would relish the chance to flex the mental muscle of knowledge and rain upon us some of his mystical enlightenment only spoken of in hushed and reverent tones..

I only ask cause quality is a huge thing with me..

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

:8: Aawww come on....I figured the "All Knowing" would relish the chance to flex the mental muscle of knowledge and rain upon us some of his mystical enlightenment only spoken of in hushed and reverent tones..

I only ask cause quality is a huge thing with me..

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BG gave you one where you'll pay top dollar. It needs to be from their original line though.

Which lines?

Would BG be willing to post comparison pics of a true "High Contrast" adult verses a normal albino adult for us newbies? Thanks in advance.

What if you photoshop it? *LOL*

I see one problem with your post BG, and thats the fact that there was alot more truth to this 5 years ago. Now that HC albinos are pretty much everywhere including your small time breeders. I have to disagree with you when you say only the "professional breeders" can be trusted. Id also like to mention that making snakes go boom boom is like making high quality macaroni, and anyone can have the knowledge, and do it effectively.

I realize theres more to it then what ive put into this simple post, but just had to voice my opinion on the subject.

I love albinos....but when it comes to determining what is high contrast or not...I let my eyes be the judge. It is ,however, sometimes difficult to distinguish between good photography and a good snake...and in that case I just have to trust the seller's integrity. :cool:

Every single one of my snakes is high contrast and probably the best example of the morph ever produced.

I've noticed this too, so I just ignore the "high contrast" label and look at the snake and its parents. It's really annoying sometimes 'cause I'm always on the lookout for low-contrast Albinos...but if I look at just the headlines, no one has "low-contrast" Albinos!

I've seen some fantastic, extremely high-contrast Albinos for sale, but I don't think they're limited to only certain breeders....

Well here is a VPI line albino that I have and I would consider this high contrast. Compared to some other adults I have this one blows them away. Im not trying to say your right or wrong BG cuz even from the short time Ive been here I know that never happens LOL..Im just a leeetle guy but I would be curious on your opinion...

http://i46.tinypic.com/jt525t.jpg

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

Professional breeders. The other one is top secret.:D

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It seems like an awful lot of 'paradox albinos' come from that line too. I wonder if one has anything to do with the other?

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Originally Posted by Tyler_Royality

I see one problem with your post BG, and thats the fact that there was alot more truth to this 5 years ago. Now that HC albinos are pretty much everywhere including your small time breeders. I have to disagree with you when you say only the "professional breeders" can be trusted. Id also like to mention that making snakes go boom boom is like making high quality macaroni, and anyone can have the knowledge, and do it effectively.

I realize theres more to it then what ive put into this simple post, but just had to voice my opinion on the subject.

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Big Gunns way laying in bed and realized that a lot of people were gonna be confused with his post. It seems at least three people were....Tyler, and the 2 people who thanked him.

"Professional breeders" is a company name. http://www.probreeders.com/

Tyler also kinda proved BG's point with his post by saying...... "high contrast albinos are pretty much everywhere". BG is here to tell everyone. They're not. A lot of babies look it, but without knowing it's lineage, you don't know what it will look like as an adult.

Can a mod please add this link to BG's original post. www.probreeders.com

Big Gunns is now sure that most noobs will be confused what BG is saying without it.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

Tyler also kinda proved BG's point with his post by saying...... "high contrast albinos are pretty much everywhere". BG is here to tell everyone. They're not. A lot of babies look it, but without knowing it's lineage, you don't know what it will look like as an adult.

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Actually when I said that "HC albinos are pretty much everywhere" I did mean that true HC albinos are very popular now. Its no longer just a hand full of breeders who have them.


I never said you were not correct with the message u wanted to get out to people. your right, there are alot of people trying to use the HC label as a selling point when in fact, they shouldnt be. Its up to the buyer to know better and investigate and look into what the breeder is actually selling.

I replied with the intent to agree with you in the fact that buyers need to be careful, but also like I said before, I disagree with the fact that only select few breeders offer these true HC albinos.

Its also a fact that you can get faded albinos from HC clutches. from what I know faded albinos, ur average joe albino, and HC albinos are not a different mutation, they are the same mutation with different results from selective breeding.

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Actually when I said that "HC albinos are pretty much everywhere" I did mean that true HC albinos are very popular now. Its no longer just a hand full of breeders who have them.


I never said you were not correct with the message u wanted to get out to people. your right, there are alot of people trying to use the HC label as a selling point when in fact, they shouldnt be. Its up to the buyer to know better and investigate and look into what the breeder is actually selling.

I replied with the intent to agree with you in the fact that buyers need to be careful, but also like I said before, I disagree with the fact that only select few breeders offer these true HC albinos.

Its also a fact that you can get faded albinos from HC clutches. from what I know faded albinos, ur average joe albino, and HC albinos are not a different mutation, they are the same mutation with different results from selective breeding.

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Yes there are only a "select few breeders" selling them. 9 outta 10(BG estimate) selling fakes proves that to BG. Once you see what BG considers a "true high contrast" albino...you'll know what BG is talking about. There are many pretty albinos out there, but not many that BG would consider "high contrast". Most are not.

Just curious. How do you know the "fact" that you can get "faded albinos" from a "high contrast" clutch? Sounds to me like you are going by what people have labeled a "high contrast" albino that produces ugly ducklings.

Albino's are just boring to me. Maybe its because it my first constricter was an albino burm and I got him in 1995. Albino everything has been around forever. The whole high contrast thing is a load of bull when you consider what they look like 5 years down the road. Like pastels or calicos. It doesnt matter what you call it as a baby. All babies look good. But is it gonna fade away? Brown out? Loose all its orange? etc..

This is why I went for the caramel albinos. SO much more you can do with them and they look good as adults.

Stay awy from the gigh contrast thing. Even if it was created starting with a very dark normal with solid blue/black markings and the babies look amazing. It just wont look that good as an adult.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Albino's are just boring to me. Maybe its because it my first constricter was an albino burm and I got him in 1995. Albino everything has been around forever. The whole high contrast thing is a load of bull when you consider what they look like 5 years down the road. Like pastels or calicos. It doesnt matter what you call it as a baby. All babies look good. But is it gonna fade away? Brown out? Loose all its orange? etc..

This is why I went for the caramel albinos. SO much more you can do with them and they look good as adults.

Stay awy from the gigh contrast thing. Even if it was created starting with a very dark normal with solid blue/black markings and the babies look amazing. It just wont look that good as an adult.

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You feel this way because of all the "high contrast" labels that have been put on most albinos. Look at the adult in the link BG posted. A really old animal may not look that great, but a true "high contrast" will stay nice as an adult.

As far as Caramels go, BG stayed away forever until he got a perfect(no kinks) wild caught male. He was too afraid of kinking.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

You feel this way because of all the "high contrast" labels that have been put on most albinos. Look at the adult in the link BG posted. A really old animal may not look that great, but a true "high contrast" will stay nice as an adult.

As far as Caramels go, BG stayed away forever until he got a perfect(no kinks) wild caught male. He was too afraid of kinking.

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Eh.. I still prefer the caramels and my 2 hets were produced by 8 Ball. Supposed to be a great line so Im hoping for no kinks. I think for me its because of the bees, lemon blasts etc.. All the yellow and orange gets to be too much lol. But the caramels, toffee, and your very own candy balls :rolleyes: in your own words.. Look good enough to eat :)

I know Eugene Bessette has HC Albinos

My het albinos come from Justin Kobylka's "high-contrast" line, and I have seen the parents... they definitely lost some of their contrast over time, but appear to still be quite stunning. :) And since I actually paid less than usual for my het pair, I don't really mind if their babies end up looking like normal albinos. And no, I won't charge extra for any albinos they produce - just going rate for the usual lines. :gj: But I get your original point BG, which is precisely why I studied their parent's pictures before buying.

I don't know if my adult male is as bright as the one on that web site , but I would consider this guy high contrast.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...G/IMG_1147.jpg