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ok so today i went to my local petshop to buy my other 2 there weekly meal ... and the guy in reptile room kowing that im looking to add to my collection says to me hey chris look what i got and pulls out the outstanding looking early 09 spider ... they do not know the sex as of yet they are getting it sexed tomorrow .. and since they know me well they said that they would do a payment plan with me for 1 month untill its paid off ... so what im asking is if there asking price is reasonable they are asking $300 for it ... it has very high white bottom

but the sex is unknow as of now and i know that females are gennerally worth more than males in most cases ...

It's not a bad price if it's a female since you're at a pet store. If you go to a reptile expo you'll can save a few bucks, especially if it's a male.

Go to White Plains this weekend...you're not that far.

yea i was thinking about it... depends on if i have to work or not

Wow... $300 for a spider sounds pricey... Especially if it's a male.

I picked up a '09 male Spider this past weekend for $125 and he's superb.
Females were going for $200. Maybe if it's a really unique looking female Spider, I could see paying $300 for it but for an '09 hatchling, still seems pretty pricey to me.

Then again it's a pet store. Not that they're bad, they just charge alot more for their animals. I agree with Big Gunns. Grab one up from White Plains if you can.

Oh dear I just agreed with Big Gunns... :rofl:

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Oh dear I just agreed with Big Gunns... :rofl:

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lmao ... yea i figured it was a bit pricey .. it is really nice looking and the white on the bottom end looks very high white and it has no wobble as of now

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Originally Posted by Karbon

Wow... $300 for a spider sounds pricey... Especially if it's a male.

I picked up a '09 male Spider this past weekend for $125 and he's superb.
Females were going for $200. Maybe if it's a really unique looking female Spider, I could see paying $300 for it but for an '09 hatchling, still seems pretty pricey to me.

Then again it's a pet store. Not that they're bad, they just charge alot more for their animals. I agree with Big Gunns. Grab one up from White Plains if you can.

Oh dear I just agreed with Big Gunns... :rofl:

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Everything in life will come easier if you do this more often.:D

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lmao ... yea i figured it was a bit pricey .. it is really nice looking and the white on the bottom end looks very high white and it has no wobble as of now

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Yeah, I would say the price has really gone down. I got my boy from a show for 200 last year and someone else said they would go 175 for another male. 300 now would be kinda high even for a girl IMO. (all spiders have wobbles btw, not one does NOT have it, just varying degrees) You should soooo skip work and go to the show! :gj: Lol, I regret not doing that once already!

I really like the spider I got from the one I DID attend though...higher white sides are nice and all, but so are orange/yellow/and white! :D

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lmao ... yea i figured it was a bit pricey .. it is really nice looking and the white on the bottom end looks very high white and it has no wobble as of now

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Mine has a tiny wobble when he's nervous but I knew about the wobbles before I purchased a spider. It kind of makes their personality more interesting I think.

High white is nice but I prefer a lighter yellow all over. Alot of spiders have dulled colors. I also like reduced pattern. Attaching a pic so you see what I mean. The one on the left is the boy I picked up next to one his clutch mates. See the big differance in colors? (pic is blurry but you get the idea)

**Also wanted to add that I absolutely LOVE spiders with green eyes. Mines got a good amount of green and that was a huge factor in my purchase.**

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yea i agree ... yours looks nice

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yea i agree ... yours looks nice

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Thanks!

To each his/her own though. It's just my preferances that lead me to buy the boy I did, but some people like duller colors and not so reduced patterns. Nothing wrong with that!

Buy the animal YOU like, not one others tell you to like :)

yea i do like it ... but i thought the asking price was a bit high .. i think if i find out its a female i might break out the bargain card and offer them like $225-$250 i buy alot of crap from them they owe me..lol

$300 is not bad for if it's a female. You have to expect to pay a little extra from a pet store, but if it's a great looking female that is not a bad price at all IMO. Is this a store that specializes in reptiles? Seems kind of odd that no one there could sex a snake for you. Just a suggestion, but if you are going to really get into buying morphs and expanding your collection you should really learn to sex your snakes. I double check every snake I buy no matter who they come from and I have actually had a mis-sexed snake arrive on a couple occasions. Nothing could be worse than spending 2 years raising up a snake that you were sold as a female only to dicover at breeding time that it is a male. I have read about it happening many times.

All depends where you live, I paid $300 for my 09 Spider male

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$300 is not bad for if it's a female. You have to expect to pay a little extra from a pet store, but if it's a great looking female that is not a bad price at all IMO. Is this a store that specializes in reptiles? Seems kind of odd that no one there could sex a snake for you. Just a suggestion, but if you are going to really get into buying morphs and expanding your collection you should really learn to sex your snakes. I double check every snake I buy no matter who they come from and I have actually had a mis-sexed snake arrive on a couple occasions. Nothing could be worse than spending 2 years raising up a snake that you were sold as a female only to dicover at breeding time that it is a male. I have read about it happening many times.

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it is a actual pet store that sells everything ... they have a second floor with nothing but reptiles and specialist .. but they have a vet come in every wendsday and check out there reptiles and properly sex/probe all there new snakes.. i would pop it but they wont let me untill its purchased and i wont purchase something untill i know its sex

They are asking 230 for a female here. But, alas, I wanted a male.

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it is a actual pet store that sells everything ... they have a second floor with nothing but reptiles and specialist .. but they have a vet come in every wendsday and check out there reptiles and properly sex/probe all there new snakes.. i would pop it but they wont let me untill its purchased and i wont purchase something untill i know its sex

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The vet part is cool, lets you know they take care of their animals.

Not popping it until its purchased though... is kind of weird. Never ran into that before.

I agree with you though, I wouldn't purchase it if I didn't know what sex it was.

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The vet part is cool, lets you know they take care of their animals.

Not popping it until its purchased though... is kind of weird. Never ran into that before.

I agree with you though, I wouldn't purchase it if I didn't know what sex it was.

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BG agrees. If they can't sex your snake, they're not a very qualified reptile pet store. They should be able to sex it for you. If they don't want to, BG suspects they know it's a male.

yeah id agree with what the others are saying find out what sex it is before you shell out that much, i just bought a proven breeder male spider from charlie at royalqpythons for 250.00, and you can definetly get deals at shows!! i got one coming up in a week il be lookin for a bumblebee or a superpastel.

WOW pythons have gone down from what im reading here gee you wont believe what I paid for my spider het ghost:disbelief

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Originally Posted by Coils

(all spiders have wobbles btw, not one does NOT have it, just varying degrees)

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I've had my male spider for 3+ years and he's never wobbled, spun, danced a jig or anything. He's produced two clutches, and a few babies have had a slight wobble during feeding time, but I've never seen it in him. The one male I have left from his clutch this year has never exhibited it either. So unless it's something that is going to show up later on down the road, I'd have to say you're wrong...unless you're "varying degree" includes none...

Its a shame that 300 for a spider is considered on the high end.

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I've had my male spider for 3+ years and he's never wobbled, spun, danced a jig or anything. He's produced two clutches, and a few babies have had a slight wobble during feeding time, but I've never seen it in him. The one male I have left from his clutch this year has never exhibited it either. So unless it's something that is going to show up later on down the road, I'd have to say you're wrong...unless you're "varying degree" includes none...

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Ask Adam from 8ballpythons, Ralph Davis or even Brian from BHB.
Pretty sure they have all done 'studies' on the spider wobble. I know Adam has for sure. All Spiders have it at some point in their lives. Eeven if the owner doesn't 'see' it tht doesn't mean it's not there. It's genetic but no one's really looked into what causes it.

It doesn't affect their eating or quality of life so it's not a big deal.

well needles to say i didnt pick him up yes it was a male .. $300 for a male is high priced to me after seeing some prices from pictures from shows so im just going to hold off untill another show

Yea, I agree.

With prices at what they are, $300 for a male is definitly pricey. I could see a spider het (something) being worth that.

Anyway, good luck on getting a nice female spider! :gj:

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Yea, I agree.

With prices at what they are, $300 for a male is definitly pricey. I could see a spider het (something) being worth that.

Anyway, good luck on getting a nice female spider! :gj:

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thanks i still want to build my entertainment center conversion anyway so it gives me time

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I've had my male spider for 3+ years and he's never wobbled, spun, danced a jig or anything. He's produced two clutches, and a few babies have had a slight wobble during feeding time, but I've never seen it in him. The one male I have left from his clutch this year has never exhibited it either. So unless it's something that is going to show up later on down the road, I'd have to say you're wrong...unless you're "varying degree" includes none...

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No need to get snippy here, I was saying that yes, no matter what you do it is in all spiders. Might not be bad, maybe it isn't shown at all in anything they do, but it IS THERE.

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Its a shame that 300 for a spider is considered on the high end.

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I know right? Prices are going down over the years...and in a way I really like it because -I- will be able to afford more, but then when something that was once considered such a high end morph isn't anymore, it's rather depressing almost.

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No need to get snippy here, I was saying that yes, no matter what you do it is in all spiders. Might not be bad, maybe it isn't shown at all in anything they do, but it IS THERE.

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Sorry...didn't mean to come off "snippy"...

and it's very different to say all spiders have wobbles, like you did in your first post, and then follow up with "it may be something that isn't shown at all in anything they do"...i.e. they don't wobble or spin...

Did u buy that 1 yet ? Lmfao

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Did u buy that 1 yet ? Lmfao

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yea i did using your money .. you bought them and there at my house so yea i got them ...lmao

dont worry everyone he's my brother he bought the spider along with a pastel from the original owner of the snakes i was looking at and got a steal at $200 for both of them ... i popped his snakes tonight and like said the spider is a male but the pastel turned out to be female .. when i was told that they were both males

thats a pretty good price. but i would be careful considering it is from a pet store.(with health and all)

What do you folks mean by a "wobble" when it comes to a spider?

If it's a female it'd be a decent price, I got my spider at a sale for $75 (price is usually $150), he has some great coloring and so did all his siblings. But I usually see spiders around $200 and up especially if they're females.

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What do you folks mean by a "wobble" when it comes to a spider?

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Spiders have a neurological (or possibly balance ) issue attatched to the morph so every spider, or morph containing a spider such as a bumblebee, can show varying levels of symptoms at various stages of their lives.

Do a forum search on "spinning" and "wobble" + spider to see some of the threads on it.


dr del

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Originally Posted by Coils

I know right? Prices are going down over the years...and in a way I really like it because -I- will be able to afford more, but then when something that was once considered such a high end morph isn't anymore, it's rather depressing almost.

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It just means that the hobby is progressing, and other morphs are being developed. It's a good thing, because it shows that good genetic stock is taking hold!

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What do you folks mean by a "wobble" when it comes to a spider?

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YouTube - Spinner Ball Python Wobbling

its kinda like they're drunk. my spider has it a little, but I like the morph so I don't mind it as long as he eats and he's healthy.

The important thing to note about this is that the spider was still able to get where he meant to go, he was alert to his surroundings, and his reflexes were fine as well--he just seems to not always be sure which way is up.

This is part of what makes the 'wobble' distinctive from neurological issues such as stargazing.
I've not seen a spider in person quite as severely affected as the one in this video, but they can be.

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I've not seen a spider in person quite as severely affected as the one in this video, but they can be.

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They can be worse than the one in the video as well.