how long do you brumate your corns?

Just wondering how long you corn breeders brumate your corns?
mine have been brumating for almost a month now and i just wanna pull them out n pair em!
i think i should at least keep em in there for atleast 2 months but.. what d you guys do?

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Originally Posted by cerastesruber

Just wondering how long you corn breeders brumate your corns?
mine have been brumating for almost a month now and i just wanna pull them out n pair em!
i think i should at least keep em in there for atleast 2 months but.. what d you guys do?

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I never cooled mine and paired them up as soon as spring was close :gj:.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

I never cooled mine and paired them up as soon as spring was close :gj:.

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thats what i used to do.. but the eggs die :tears:

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Originally Posted by cerastesruber

thats what i used to do.. but the eggs die :tears:

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Hmm what were you doing wrong? Post everything you did from the time the eggs were dropped until they died off.I will see if i can figure out what went wrong ;)

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Originally Posted by joepythons

I never cooled mine and paired them up as soon as spring was close :gj:.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Hmm what were you doing wrong? Post everything you did from the time the eggs were dropped until they died off.I will see if i can figure out what went wrong ;)

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well im pretty sure its because the first year i ddnt even know she was pregnant and so by the time i found the eggs they may have been too dry already, the second year i found one clutch randomly laid and gettn dry, put em in the incubator n they died.. second cluthc that year i was in missouri while my soon to lay female was here in california,, so the people incharge of moving the egg box to the incubator ddnt know what they were doing,, im sure the vermiculite was much too dry..


well lemme sum it up, im pretty sure the reasons of the failures are either:
-not humid enough
-too hot! ( my house gets up to 95+) very probable
-sperm not fretile because of no brumation

i thinks a combonation of the three...
but i dont want to spend 250 on a cooling/heating incubator unless i have too... im going to try and breed my corns soon so they incubate when its cold, cuz else the incubator gets too hot.. that or.. i have a big walkin closet.. i think i should get a small air condidtioner thing for it to keep it cool enough and have the incubator in there..
im doing the precoess right this time..


what ya think joe?

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Originally Posted by cerastesruber

well im pretty sure its because the first year i ddnt even know she was pregnant and so by the time i found the eggs they may have been too dry already, the second year i found one clutch randomly laid and gettn dry, put em in the incubator n they died.. second cluthc that year i was in missouri while my soon to lay female was here in california,, so the people incharge of moving the egg box to the incubator ddnt know what they were doing,, im sure the vermiculite was much too dry..


well lemme sum it up, im pretty sure the reasons of the failures are either:
-not humid enough
-too hot! ( my house gets up to 95+) very probable
-sperm not fretile because of no brumation

i thinks a combonation of the three...
but i dont want to spend 250 on a cooling/heating incubator unless i have too... im going to try and breed my corns soon so they incubate when its cold, cuz else the incubator gets too hot.. that or.. i have a big walkin closet.. i think i should get a small air condidtioner thing for it to keep it cool enough and have the incubator in there..
im doing the precoess right this time..


what ya think joe?

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I would say they were lost because of the humidity issue :(.My god how do you stand a 95 degree house? :O Its easy to candle the eggs to see if they are viable.If you take a small flashlight and shine it on one side you should be able to see thru it and see veins(if they are viable).In my opinion brumation is a waste of time.I never cooled mine and instead used that time to fatten my girld up more.I let my breeders tell me when they wanted to stop eating.

Were the eggs fertile? If they're fertile, not a sperm issue. Sounds to me like a humidity/temperature issue. My A/C went out this year in my house and it got into the 90's for several hours and killed all of my cornsnake eggs. Out of over a hundred eggs, only 6 hatched and survived.

If your house gets up to 95, the no way your eggs will make it. You need to figure a way to keep the eggs at 80-82 degrees.

I agree with the post(s) from before.....as far as brumating I don't do it either...I have the advantage of being in florida thats even at this time its low 80'e here, so I keep feeding and sizing them u...when spring comes around that it get warm again I feed them heavy again and when they first shed I introduce and its instant...

thanks for the input guys.. well, im sure that if the eggs were fertile then they died because of the high temps (and yea, its hell in here in the summer)


im pretty sure getting a small ac for my closet, on that i can set the temp to about 75 and then put the incubator in there will work, what do you think??

hmm well my corns should mate when i pair them after bru,ation and warm them right? this way i dont have to wait for spring and for it to get hot..

i brumate also because its healthy for them.. well ive heard it is haha

thanksguys!

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Originally Posted by cerastesruber

thanks for the input guys.. well, im sure that if the eggs were fertile then they died because of the high temps (and yea, its hell in here in the summer)


im pretty sure getting a small ac for my closet, on that i can set the temp to about 75 and then put the incubator in there will work, what do you think??

hmm well my corns should mate when i pair them after bru,ation and warm them right? this way i dont have to wait for spring and for it to get hot..

i brumate also because its healthy for them.. well ive heard it is haha

thanksguys!

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How do you live in the 90 degree rooms? :O As long as your incubator is around 80ish you should do fine.

I have alomst always hibernated, usually for about 10 weeks. I have just started warming my adults up now.
I had 2 years of not doing it, and both years I got terrible results with breeding. I do know people who dont hibernate and have great results, but it suits me to do it, and also it saves me a small fortune in money on not feeding them lol.

I have had much better results brumating my Corns. Not only for fertility reasons, but by brumating, everything goes like clock work. I brumate them for min. of 8 weeks, bring them out, after the females shed I place them with the males. after 3 hook ups, I know eggs are coming in a months time. After the females shed the 2nd time, I know it is any day, with 10 to 14 days the avg. I usually can tell the day before they lay as the females will generally push all the moss in the nest box to one side so she has a clean spot to lay her eggs.
After that second shed is when the lay boxes are put into the enclosures and checked twice daily. Once the eggs are layed, they go into their containers and into the incubator...60-70 days later at 82 degrees ...pippies!

for double clutching ( if one is inclined to do so) after the female post sheds I pair with the male again, repeat the process and it always seems the 2nd clutch is layed just as the first clutch is pipping.
BEFORE, I brumated, it was hard to pinpoint what day I could expect things to happpen ect.
This long post is just my opinion though, but it works for me, out of all my eggs last year, I only had 8 slug eggs out of 200 or so eggs. All my double clutch eggs, hatched out 100 % and strong :)

ALSO, almost forgot, with 75 breeders, the brumation time gives me a much needed break from feeding, cleaning ect. all around the Holidays ...and that keeps Mrs. Old_School from throwing us all out of the house!! :)

2.5 months wasn't a choice on the survey, but that is what I generally shoot for with corn snake brumation, and it has always given me good results. This year I am experiementing with earlier brumation for most of my corns... mid-October through the end of December, rather than early December through mid-February, as I have always done previously. I am very curious to see if it will make any difference.

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Originally Posted by wendhend

2.5 months wasn't a choice on the survey, but that is what I generally shoot for with corn snake brumation, and it has always given me good results. This year I am experiementing with earlier brumation for most of my corns... mid-October through the end of December, rather than early December through mid-February, as I have always done
previously. I am very curious to see if it will make any difference.

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i am doing that this year octobeer to december.. ive fed them the females have shed theyve been paired but no locks :/ havent even seen them near eachother

I haven't had any locks yet, either, but so far only two girls have shed, and I've only made a couple of attempts each at putting them with males. We will keep trying....

I finally had a pair of corns hook up. This is a female amel stripe het caramel breeding with a golddust het stripe male. I'm mostly hoping to get golddust striped babies out of this breeding, but the ultramel, amel, butter stripes, etc. should also be nice!

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...zy_x_midas.jpg

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Originally Posted by wendhend

2.5 months wasn't a choice on the survey, but that is what I generally shoot for with corn snake brumation, and it has always given me good results. This year I am experiementing with earlier brumation for most of my corns... mid-October through the end of December, rather than early December through mid-February, as I have always done previously. I am very curious to see if it will make any difference.

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Please keep us updated as to whether the earlier brumation makes a positive/negative difference, as I would like to try this next year.

So far I have this one female who is definitely gravid and another pair who bred the other day. I have attempted with several other pairs and found them to not be interested. I will keep trying every few days and see what happens....

We don't brumate corns at all.

Just an update on my early brumation thing I tried... So far, I have had seven pairs of corns breed, and all of them are from my group that brumated early (mid-October to Janurary 1st). One of the girls is in her nest box and should lay eggs any time now. Two others are definitely gravid. So, I can now say that I think the early brumation thing has worked just fine.

My first corn eggs of 2010 were laid yesterday by this amel stripe het caramel female, who was bred to a golddust het stripe male. There are 15, and they all look good. I can't wait till they hatch! I have two more corns that are definitely gravid and five more that have bred. Up until now I have never had any corn eggs laid before Memorial Day, but this year I should have some hatching in early May. I can now say I am very glad I tried the early brumation thing!

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...maizy_eggs.jpg