Lesser X Mojo ???

Can a lesser x Mojo combo produce a Blue eyed lucie?

Yes. I think the first BEL came from that combo

yeah its pretty common. its also cleaner than the super mojo

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

yeah its pretty common. its also cleaner than the super mojo

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I've been doing a little more research and noticed they do appear to be cleaner...although I am quite fond of the dark heads on the super mojos.

I guess my next question is...what percentages can I expect out of these two?

A lesser and a Mojo will get you
1/4 Bells
1/4 Mojave
1/4 Lesser
1/4 Normal

Im waiting for my little lesser to grow up so i can pair him with my female Mojave. Cant wait.

would the bels produce lessers and mojo's?

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Originally Posted by Ophis

Yes. I think the first BEL came from that combo

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Actually the first blue eyed Leucistic came from Vin Russo breeding together a pair of his het white diamonds. The second I believe was Karma that Ralph got by breeding together his Lesser X Phantom. The Lesser X Mojave Blue Eyed Leucistic was either the 3rd or 4th combo and was first produced by Morph King Reptiles and was somewhere around the same time that Graziani produced a BEL with a Mojave and a Russo het. The next thing you know everybody was producing white snakes...

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Originally Posted by merdcme

would the bels produce lessers and mojo's?

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This was my next question.

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Originally Posted by merdcme

would the bels produce lessers and mojo's?

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If you breed a Bel (LesserxMojo) to a normal all the babies would be lessers and mojaves.
If you breed a Bel to a bel all the babies would be Bels.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Actually the first blue eyed Leucistic came from Vin Russo breeding together a pair of his het white diamonds. The second I believe was Karma that Ralph got by breeding together his Lesser X Phantom. The Lesser X Mojave Blue Eyed Leucistic was either the 3rd or 4th combo and was first produced by Morph King Reptiles and was somewhere around the same time that Graziani produced a BEL with a Mojave and a Russo het. The next thing you know everybody was producing white snakes...

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I think your order might be off

russo came first but mojave came in 2000 and lesser came in 2001, phantoms not until 2005. im pretty sure they had super lesser and mojos and combos b4 2005. tho i can't find anything that really states it

I have an old( cell phone) pic of my lesser x mojo in my pic section. The lesser really cleans up the white. Shes pretty pure and about 600 g now. i have a breeder lesser male that shes lined up for. Should produce lessers, mojos and bels.

Heres an example of a Lesser X Mojave Lucy. We hatched out three of them this year. The one pictured is pure white, he is in shed in the pic.
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...ythons/BEL.jpg

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

I think your order might be off

russo came first but mojave came in 2000 and lesser came in 2001, phantoms not until 2005. im pretty sure they had super lesser and mojos and combos b4 2005. tho i can't find anything that really states it

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I'm pretty sure about the 1st two. I know that Ralph created a Blue Eyed Leucistic by crossing his Original lesser male with his original Phantom female long before there were super lessers. There were other white snakes created before that, but those were Ivories, not BEL's

From the RDR website:

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In the 2002 Breeding Season I was very fortunate enough to hatch a Blue Eyed Leucistic Ball Python from 2 Normal appearing Ball Pythons. I have truly been blessed with this very rare and magnificent creature. The Blue eyes almost look through you. Leucism is the rarest color morph in all reptiles ( Less than 1 in 10,000 ). This Project will occupy most of my time for the next few years.

Upper text by Vin Russo

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Below text by Ralphie.......

I produced 2.1 "Blue Eyed Lucy" in 2003 from breeding a Lesser Platty male to a Phantom female..........then in 2004 I produced 0.2 lucy from the same breeding ( Lesser x Phantom ) and 0.3 from breeding "Platty Daddy" to two of his Lesser Platty daughters.............the lucys from the Lesser x Phantom have blue eyes and a very faint "off white" broken dorsal stripe down the spine.............the lucys from Platty Daddy x Lesser are blue eyed, pure white with ZERO dorsal markings............the "whitest" Lucy on the planet to date!!! ( Platty x Lesser )

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Source: http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...y_blue_eye.asp

As this is '02, '03, '04 I have fair certainty that these would be the first snakes produced like this.

Here is a post from the kingsnake archives where Greg Graziani shows his new Blue Eyed Leucistic created from combining a Het Russo X Mojave. Since he mentions the Lesser X Mojave BEL in the post I'm assuming that it happened the season before, and like I said I'm pretty sure it was Morph King reptiles that did it. This post was dated July 22 2005 so the mojave X lesser BEL would have been in 2004 I believe.

http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch...51200&key=2005

Just found this entry in Ralphs Journal from July 27, 2004 This was before Ralph produced the first Lesser X Lesser Blue Eyed Leucistics, so I guess that does make them 3rd.

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Well the waiting is over.............Morph Kings produced two blue eyed lucys from their Lesser Platty x Mojave clutch.............2 lucy, 3 lesser and 2 mojave...........

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Here is a link to the picture.

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/co...s/mk_lucys.jpg

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

As this is '02, '03, '04 I have fair certainty that these would be the first snakes produced like this.

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http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...s/phantom.html

according to nerd it was 2005...?

Here's some photos and pretty much all Leucistics are represented. Lesser x mojave is down on the right.


http://imageevent.com/livingartrepti...lpythonsmorphs

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...s/phantom.html

according to nerd it was 2005...?

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I think that's the year that Ralph produced the first SUPER phantom. Which is not a blue eyed leucistic.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I think that's the year that Ralph produced the first SUPER phantom. Which is not a blue eyed leucistic.

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NERD needs to be a little more clear with the years...

Actually RDR's site is labeled wrong.

He claims he raised a female and had her breed in '01 and that in '05 he produced the first super phantom.

However he also has them labeled on his site as 2005.

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...ts/phantom.asp

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Actually RDR's site is labeled wrong.

He claims he raised a female and had her breed in '01 and that in '05 he produced the first super phantom.

However he also has them labeled on his site as 2005.

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...ts/phantom.asp

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2005 is when they were proven CO-dominant, before that they had only been proven dominant.